Topic: A very weird playback problem...

[reynold]

Reynold, meron sa bahay sa Pasig na BD Iso. 23GB big in m2ts container with DTSHD audiostream - (lumalabas na DTS sa Yamaha 757 using the Mede8er; using the A200 lumalabas na DTSHD sa Info pero DTS lang ang kaya ng AX1).  In case wala kang makuhang pang-test ng A1 kay Anchit.  Magdala kalang ng balde or pinggan or tuppeware para paglagyan.  Hehehe

Wow, thanks for the offer sir. Tingnan ko po next week sir pag di busy. btw, saan po kayo sa pasig sir? Try ko rin i-test this weekend lahat ng mkvs ko

[reynold]

...been busy the whole day, here's why...

I checked all of my files mkv and m2ts using my mede8er to see which of my movies have issues of audio playback, all of my mkv's are good exept for one... Brooklyns Finest, and here's the audio comparison that i copied using mediainfo...
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MKV Movies:

Brooklyns Finest (8.75 gig) - Not Ok
ID                               : 3
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Codec ID                         : A_AC3
Duration                         : 2h 12mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 607 MiB (7%)
Language                         : English



The Dark Knight (11.1 gig) - ok
ID                               : 2
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Codec ID                         : A_AC3
Duration                         : 2h 32mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 697 MiB (6%)



Star Trek (13.1 Gig) - Ok
ID                               : 2
Format                           : DTS
Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID                         : A_DTS
Duration                         : 2h 6mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 24 bits
Stream size                      : 1.34 GiB (10%)


It's weird that Brooklyns and TDK have the same bitrate pero nagloloko ang audio ng brookyn at maayos ang TDK

[Clondalkin]

HOPEFUL ang DD0.64mbps Reynold.  

Might help to try Remuxing using MKVToolnix (MKVMerge) Brooklyn's Finext.  It's about a 3-10 min process depending on your PC speed and filesize.  Just make sure to disable COMPRESSION manually because malamang you would get Ver. 4.2.0 or newer.   Im still using Ver 2.4 and it's just "open and remux" basically.  Lalaki ng konting konti ang filesize when you remux.

Based sa title ng files, it can be assumed that iba ang version ng writing/encoding/muxing application ng Brooklyn's Finest and TDK; the TDK most likely using an older version.

[reynold]

And here' for the M2TS movies ko....

M2TS Movies:

2012 (3.99 gig) - Ok
ID                               : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Codec ID                         : 129
Duration                         : 2h 37mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 384 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 433 MiB (11%)
Language                         : English



Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (3.99 gig) - Ok
ID                               : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Codec ID                         : 129
Duration                         : 2h 33mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 703 MiB (17%)
Language                         : English



Death Race (4 gig) - Not Ok
ID                               : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Codec ID                         : 129
Duration                         : 1h 50mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 506 MiB (12%)



Kung-fu Hustle (4 gig) - Not Ok
ID                               : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Codec ID                         : 129
Duration                         : 1h 38mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 453 MiB (11%)


Same bitrate din ang Harry Potter with Kungfu Hustle and Death Race pero magkaiba din ang Audio playback result nila...

NOTE:
All of my 22 m2ts files na may problem sa audio playback are ranging from 3.95 gig to 4.1gig and their resolution is 1920*1080, same as Death Race and Kungfu Hustle ang media info nila

Ang question ko, kung hindi kaya ng DSP-A1 ko ang 640kbps (standard Hi-def Audio), bakit nape-play nya ang Harry Potter (m2ts) at Dark Knight (mkv) ng maayos???

why o why...

[Clondalkin]

Paki-post yung Writing Application version Reynold.

[reynold]

HOPEFUL ang DD0.64mbps Reynold.  

Might help to try Remuxing using MKVToolnix (MKVMerge) Brooklyn's Finext.  It's about a 3-10 min process depending on your PC speed and filesize.  Just make sure to disable COMPRESSION manually because malamang you would get Ver. 4.2.0 or newer.   Im still using Ver 2.4 and it's just "open and remux" basically.  Lalaki ng konting konti ang filesize when you remux.

Based sa title ng files, it can be assumed that iba ang version ng writing/encoding/muxing application ng Brooklyn's Finest and TDK; the TDK most likely using an older version.

Thanks for the very quick reply and software recommendation sir, i'll try MKVToolnix
... kaso bagal ng net ko ngayon, napuputol connection ko

Anyway, does this means that my DSP-A1 can still handle HD-Audio? what i mean is, hindi receiver ko ang culprit ng playback issue sir?

Ano pong Writing Application version sir? sa mediainfo po ba yun?

Thanks

[Clondalkin]

Anyway, does this means that my DSP-A1 can still handle HD-Audio? what i mean is, hindi receiver ko ang culprit ng playback issue sir?

Ano pong Writing Application version sir? sa mediainfo po ba yun?

Yeah it appears to me that the audiostream bitrate is not the issue - hence I am getting more hopeful about your A1 - it wont be able to stream DTS-HD/MA or TrueHD but chances are, it will output the DTS core at 1.5mbps or DD0.6mbps from the HD audiostream of a properly encoded file.

Yeah try to use Mediainfo (or MKVInfo sa MKVToolnix) to open your MKVs and sa pane ng Video, you would see the Writing Application version.   Im not sure kung lalabas that kind of detail sa m2ts using Mediainfo.

Example ne.  Those problematic files sa Mede8er and A200 have writing application MKVMerge Ver 4.2.0.  Ive fixed those using the older MKVMerge 2.4.0. 

[reynold]

Yehey, iwas gastos ako

Here's the writing application of Brooklyns Finest sir...

Complete name                    : F:\Movies\Hi-Def Movies\Movies\Brooklyn's Finest 1080p.mkv
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 8.75 GiB
Duration                         : 2h 12mn
Overall bit rate                 : 9 441 Kbps
Encoded date                     : UTC 2010-06-23 07:42:50
Writing application              : mkvmerge v2.9.8 ('C'est le bon') built on Aug 13 2009 12:49:06
Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1


eto naman yung sa TDK, mukhang ayos pag 2.4.0...

Complete name                    : F:\Movies\Hi-Def Movies\Movies\The Dark Knight\The Dark Knight.mkv
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 11.1 GiB
Duration                         : 2h 32mn
Overall bit rate                 : 10.5 Mbps
Encoded date                     : UTC 2009-01-01 13:28:57
Writing application              : mkvmerge v2.4.0 ('Fumbling Towards Ecstasy') built on Oct 11 2008 20:13:15
Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1


i'll try to look for the m2ts...

[reynold]

eto naman po ang nakita ko sa M2TS using mediainfo...

Harry Potter (Ok playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 2h 33mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 2 825 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.057
Stream size                      : 3.14 GiB (79%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 80 r1376kGIT 3feaec2
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2825 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00



Death Race (Problematic playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 1h 50mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 4 215 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.085
Stream size                      : 3.34 GiB (84%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 66 r1114M a933a3e
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=4215 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00


2012 (ok playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 2h 37mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 3 008 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.061
Stream size                      : 3.40 GiB (85%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 80 r1376kGIT 3feaec2
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3008 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00


Kungfu Hustle (problematic playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 1h 38mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 4 801 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.097
Stream size                      : 3.39 GiB (85%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 68 r1195M 5d75a9b
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=4801 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00

[Clondalkin]

For m2ts mukhang OK yung writing library na X264 Core 80.  So mukhang hindi nga yung A1 ang problem.   

[reynold]

For m2ts mukhang OK yung writing library na X264 Core 80.  So mukhang hindi nga yung A1 ang problem.   

Wow, glad to hear that, safe ang DSP-A1 ko

papano ko po aayusin yung mga m2ts ko sir, anong tool ang pwede? Thanks

[Clondalkin]

...
papano ko po aayusin yung mga m2ts ko sir, anong tool ang pwede? Thanks

No experience remuxing non-MKV stuff.   Im not sure if MKVToolnix can remux m2ts.  I suggest you google about m2ts to mkv converter, or how to remux m2ts, or just get the mkv versions of the problematic m2ts titles.

TSmuxer yata ang kailangan mo but I haven't tried that because all my m2ts are pure BD rips that I dont touch at ul. 

[av_phile1]

Weird problem nga. 

m2ts is just a container file, so you should be able to unbundle the audio and video files in it.  And then once you've transcoded the files to a lower resolution, you just remux it into either m2ts or mkv which is just another container file.  Now as to what software to do that, that's the problem.  Again, Google is your friend.

[reynold]

I guess i'll try TSmuxer for m2ts files, bagal lang ng net ko ngayon

so, bale files pala ang may problem ngayon and not my A1... pero bakit maayos ko naman nai-play yung m2ts ko sa setup ng eHome? and isa pang katanungan mga sir, if yung writing application version ang may problem, ano ang effect nun sa dsp-A1?

hhhmmmmnn... weird ba? hehehe

[Clondalkin]

so, bale files pala ang may problem ngayon and not my A1... pero bakit maayos ko naman nai-play yung m2ts ko sa setup ng eHome? and isa pang katanungan mga sir, if yung writing application version ang may problem, ano ang effect nun sa dsp-A1?

The same way that certain devices may have handshaking issues that can be corrected by FW update.  Probably fair to say that older AVRs may be less forgiving of seemingly small differences in encoding settings and writing applications than newer AVR.  But what is hopeful about a flagship model like A1 is that it was well ahead of its time, hence I thought an A1 cannot be simply overcome by bitrate as long as the audiostream is either old school DD or DTS.    Take note, pati DTS 1.5mbps ay kaya ng A1 mo.

Encoding set-ups and writing applications definitely affect the final output of a compressed content. It is complicated.  That's why there are prime encoding groups that not only know how to select the proper encoding settings for optimum IQ/SQ at minimum filesize, but also make sure that playback would be highly reliable.

Baka mas appropriate isipin na instead of "weird problem", it's more of "fickle encode" - kaya dapat STICK TO ORIGINAL DISK KASI.   

[av_phile1]

I just noticed that those m2ts files you have that are not OK have bit rates in the 4000 + Kbps while the OK ones are 3000 Kbps and below.  Just an observation.

Also, you can demux your M2ts files into separate audio and video files, but you will need another software to remux the two files into mkv. What are your using?  mkvmerge?

[reynold]

The same way that certain devices may have handshaking issues that can be corrected by FW update.  Probably fair to say that older AVRs may be less forgiving of seemingly small differences in encoding settings and writing applications than newer AVR.  But what is hopeful about a flagship model like A1 is that it was well ahead of its time, hence I thought an A1 cannot be simply overcome by bitrate as long as the audiostream is either old school DD or DTS.    Take note, pati DTS 1.5mbps ay kaya ng A1 mo.

Encoding set-ups and writing applications definitely affect the final output of a compressed content. It is complicated.  That's why there are prime encoding groups that not only know how to select the proper encoding settings for optimum IQ/SQ at minimum filesize, but also make sure that playback would be highly reliable.

Baka mas appropriate isipin na instead of "weird problem", it's more of "fickle encode" - kaya dapat STICK TO ORIGINAL DISK KASI.   

Bigla ko tuloy naalala yung mga blu-ray na napanood ko na using may LG blu-ray player hooked on my DSP-A1, wala akong naging problem sa audio playback especially with the movie UP (HD audio encoded), but may m2ts copy of UP is the same with all of my problematic files... it's possible nga Sir Clondalkin na sa file compression nagka-problem yung mga movie

I just noticed that those m2ts files you have that are not OK have bit rates in the 4000 + Kbps while the OK ones are 3000 Kbps and below.  Just an observation.

Also, you can demux your M2ts files into separate audio and video files, but you will need another software to remux the two files into mkv. What are your using?  mkvmerge?

where did you see the 4000 + kbps sir Av_phile? I will try your suggestion about demuxing sir, thanks

[av_phile1]

where did you see the 4000 + kbps sir Av_phile? I will try your suggestion about demuxing sir, thanks

Here

eto naman po ang nakita ko sa M2TS using mediainfo...

Harry Potter (Ok playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 2h 33mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 2 825 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.057
Stream size                      : 3.14 GiB (79%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 80 r1376kGIT 3feaec2
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2825 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00



Death Race (Problematic playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 1h 50mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 4 215 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.085
Stream size                      : 3.34 GiB (84%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 66 r1114M a933a3e
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=4215 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00


2012 (ok playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 2h 37mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 3 008 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.061
Stream size                      : 3.40 GiB (85%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 80 r1376kGIT 3feaec2
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3008 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00


Kungfu Hustle (problematic playback)

ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                         : 27
Duration                         : 1h 38mn
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 4 801 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.097
Stream size                      : 3.39 GiB (85%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 68 r1195M 5d75a9b
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=4801 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=25000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00

[av_phile1]

Also, don't confuse the 640kbps DD bitrate as HD audio.  It's not.  It's the DD core in a Dolby TrueHD track.  The same way you have the DTS core in a DTS Master Audio.  That allows any Blu Ray disc to be DOWNWARD compatible with any old equipment.  Just to give you an idea, the Dolby TrueHD has an audio bitrate that can go up to 18 Mbps.  

[reynold]

Also, don't confuse the 640kbps DD bitrate as HD audio.  It's not.  It's the DD core in a Dolby TrueHD track.  The same way you have the DTS core in a DTS Master Audio.  That allows any Blu Ray disc to be DOWNWARD compatible with any old equipment.  Just to give you an idea, the Dolby TrueHD has an audio bitrate that can go up to 18 Mbps.  

I see, i thought 640kbps is the standard for HD Audio as you mentioned on your previous post if im not mistaken... What's the minimum bitrate of HD Audio sir?

what confuses me now is those 4000 + kbps, di ba bitrate sya sa ng video lang at iba pa yung sa audio, tama po ba? if so, ano po ang kinalaman nya sa audio playback?...

[praktikal]

bilib talaga ako sa mga members dito, hanep sa tulungan at walang humpay na pagsasaliksik para masulosyunan lang ang problema lalo na kung weird 

Bow!

[av_phile1]

I see, i thought 640kbps is the standard for HD Audio as you mentioned on your previous post if im not mistaken... What's the minimum bitrate of HD Audio sir?

what confuses me now is those 4000 + kbps, di ba bitrate sya sa ng video lang at iba pa yung sa audio, tama po ba? if so, ano po ang kinalaman nya sa audio playback?...

I did say that the "new ones have 640kbps"  but never once mentioned it's the standard for HD audio.  It only means the DD track is maxed out to its highest bitrate with BD while the old DVD standard DD track is limited to 448Kbps.  

BD supports many audio formats as follows with their corresponding max audio bitrates:

DD core:       640kbps
DTS core:     1.5Mbps
Dolby Digital Plus:   4.7Mbps
Dolby TrueHD:    18Mbps
DTS HD:          24Mbps
LPCM:       27Mbps


The 4000+ video bitrate I pointed out was an observation which distinguished your problematic files.  I never said it could cause the problem though I was thinking you may want to look into that.

2 years ago, when I was transcoding some DVD VOB files into MPEG4 for my Sony Ericsson and iPod Touch gadgets, I remember having problems with high bitrates in video causing synch and audio stammering problems while some with very high bitrates just refused to play. But when I reduced the video bitrates on the same resolution, I got it solved.  

[reynold]

I did say that the "new ones have 640kbps"  but never once mentioned it's the standard for HD audio.  It only means the DD track is maxed out to its highest bitrate with BD while the old DVD standard DD track is limited to 448Kbps.  

BD supports many audio formats as follows with their corresponding max audio bitrates:

DD core:       640kbps
DTS core:     1.5Mbps
Dolby Digital Plus:   4.7Mbps
Dolby TrueHD:    18Mbps
DTS HD:          24Mbps
LPCM:       27Mbps

Noted Sir av_phile

The 4000+ video bitrate I pointed out was an observation which distinguished your problematic files.  I never said it could cause the problem though I was thinking you may want to look into that.

2 years ago, when I was transcoding some DVD VOB files into MPEG4 for my Sony Ericsson and iPod Touch gadgets, I remember having problems with high bitrates in video causing synch and audio stammering problems while some with very high bitrates just refused to play. But when I reduced the video bitrates on the same resolution, I got it solved.  

I'll check all of my problematic m2ts and try to reduce their bitrates, hopefully it will solve mine.. Thank you so much sir

bilib talaga ako sa mga members dito, hanep sa tulungan at walang humpay na pagsasaliksik para masulosyunan lang ang problema lalo na kung weird 

Bow!

Yeah, sinabi mo pa, walang iwanan dito

[Clondalkin]

4000 mbps video bitrate should not be a problem with your Mede8er.  The Mede8er would not even sweat playing Eureka's 1080p files having 18-20mbps average video bitrates in MKV container.  For pure BD rips in m2ts, maski na 27-32mbps ay kinakaya ng Egreat31B, paano pa ang Mede8er?

One interesting thing Ive observed, and also verified by other members who have tried, the NMTs Ive actually used (Egreat 31B, Mede8er and A200) tend to play pure BD rips "smoother" than compressed 1080ps...so my inference is, the compression/encoding process effectively adds burden to the media player even though the compression reduces the size of the file considerably - kaya mas "madali" (reliable) ang original Bluray than MKV or m2ts via NMT for Reynold's A1.  hehehe.   If only the likes of Sony or Toshiba or Panasonic or Philips would actually spend money on hardware decoding of MKVS...hehehe

[reynold]

I made some testing kagabi, medyo matrabaho nga lang, hehehe

Punta ako sa pc ko, I downloaded mkvtoolnix 4.2.0 then connect ko yung mede8er ko sa pc via usb, then remuxed my mkvs - Brooklyns finest (problematic) and From Paris with love (ok)... after that baba ako sa sala, setup my mede8er and as expected, problematic pa rin ang brooklyns finest... naging problematic din yung from paris with love, hehehe so tama si Sir Clondalkin, may kinalaman nga siguro ang version ng toolnix

and then tinanggal ko ulit yung mede8er para ikabit sa pc ko sa room ko sa taas, sinubukan ko naman i-demux yung m2ts ko na Cloudy with a chance of a meatballs (problematic) using TSremuxer, then i remuxed it using mkvtoolnix para maging mkv file sya... ganun pa din ang problem, siguro dahil mkvtoolnix 4.2.0 pa rin ang gamit ko...

tapos inantok na ako, hehehe mamaya naman try ko yung mkvtoolnix 2.4.0

 

[av_phile1]

Not sure if same, but you can try mkvmerge

[av_phile1]

4000 mbps video bitrate should not be a problem with your Mede8er.  The Mede8er would not even sweat playing Eureka's 1080p files having 18-20mbps average video bitrates in MKV container.  For pure BD rips in m2ts, maski na 27-32mbps ay kinakaya ng Egreat31B, paano pa ang Mede8er?

One interesting thing Ive observed, and also verified by other members who have tried, the NMTs Ive actually used (Egreat 31B, Mede8er and A200) tend to play pure BD rips "smoother" than compressed 1080ps...so my inference is, the compression/encoding process effectively adds burden to the media player even though the compression reduces the size of the file considerably - kaya mas "madali" (reliable) ang original Bluray than MKV or m2ts via NMT for Reynold's A1.  hehehe.   If only the likes of Sony or Toshiba or Panasonic or Philips would actually spend money on hardware decoding of MKVS...hehehe

So there should be no problem with bitrates.

Just FYI, BD files are also compressed files with video using MPEG2, AVC or VC1.  Container file for its audio/video stream is in the file name xxxxx.m2ts.

[Clondalkin]

4mbps pala and not 4000mbps. Hehehe.  Bitrates could be problematic if its over 10mbps or the encode is not DXVA compliant and most especially if the profile is Level 5.1 (most are using Level 4.1 now including Reynold's samples) - but that's speaking of 1st gen NMTs like the Egreat31B or PCH110.  As posted earlier, Mede8er can take the baddest that Eurekas and Framestors have released - over 20GB single 1080p files with higher than 18mbps video + DTS 1.5mbps core.    4mbps is on the low side even for vanilla 720p mkvs as better 720p encodes have over 5mbps.


I meant compression/encoding from BD (MPEG2, AVC, VC1) in m2ts streams to X264.  X264 is really very efficient in terms of reducing the filesize but groups like Eureka always strive for minimum compression, thus their encodes tend to be huge - but reliably playable.

[markcrenz]

another remedy: use original media.   

[reynold]

Not sure if same, but you can try mkvmerge

I think its the same sir (mkvtoolnix and mkvmerge)

another remedy: use original media.   

That's correct, but the problem is... if we use original media, mawawalan ng saysay ang mga nmts natin


Sir Clondalkin,
i also tried remuxing my brooklyns finest (mkv) using mkvtoolnix 2.4.0, it didn't work, ganun pa rin ang audio playback


Sir av_phile,
papano ko bababaan ang bitrate ng video, i cant find it in TSmuxer nor mkvtoolnix...


are there any other possible solutions pa ba? Thanks.