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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #30 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 11:08 AM »
Quote from: markcrenz on Mar 29, 2012 at 08:39 AM
What's the difference between a tube buffer and a tube preamp? sino sa kanila ang mas malapit sa pinto, o medyo nakapasok na?


voltage gain......otherwise attributes of a buffer applies....horses for courses.....in most cases with tube power amps, you may not need a preamp, but a buffer you can use....
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #31 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM »
Quote from: TonyT on Mar 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM
jojo you are correct about the x10d, lots of open loop gain tamed by global negative feedack....
i had in mind those yaqin buffers that the TS asked....."yaqin cd3 tube buffer"


yup yup, cd1-3 = cf

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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #32 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM »
these yaqin buffers works even with out the tubes inserted..... :D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #33 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 01:52 PM »
Quote from: TonyT on Mar 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM
these yaqin buffers works even with out the tubes inserted..... :D

yes! there's that grid to cathode resistor that lowers the current of the tube, removing the tube and you still end up with an attenuated signal.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #34 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 02:42 PM »
another option for tube rolling, no tubes..... :D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #35 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44 PM »
Quote from: TonyT on Mar 29, 2012 at 02:42 PM
another option for tube rolling, no tubes..... :D


ROFLMAO!!! ;D ;D ;D


now you see it, now you don't!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #36 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 06:57 PM »
after hearing your inputs, jojod and tonyt, i'm now more sure that if i buy a tube amp it'll be from the local tube amp makers. i've also read your posts about the cayin a50t was it? very very fun read with that american who complained about design issues.
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #37 on: Mar 29, 2012 at 07:45 PM »
for one thing, the entry of chinese amps in our country pushed the prices down, i am not sure if that is a good thing, but here end users win.....
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #38 on: Mar 30, 2012 at 03:35 PM »
Quote from: TonyT on Mar 29, 2012 at 07:45 PM
but here end users win.....


I beg to disagree. Here suffers quality. A runaway tube, a smoking e-cap, a burnt output or power transformer are just some of the things I see in new tube amps. Rate of repairs had gone up, customers often come in for repairs instead of new business.

The same amps that used to cost twice or thrice as much still stands today, a mark of a true quality build.



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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #39 on: Mar 30, 2012 at 04:59 PM »
you can say that again......that is why i said i am not sure that is a good thing....we have seen what the Chinese are capable of doing....
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #40 on: Mar 31, 2012 at 08:51 AM »
the thing I hate the most is the tranny cover being so big but when you pry it open you'll be surprised to find such a small opt...

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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #41 on: Mar 31, 2012 at 09:02 AM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Mar 29, 2012 at 01:52 PM
yes! there's that grid to cathode resistor that lowers the current of the tube, removing the tube and you still end up with an attenuated signal.  ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TonyT on Mar 29, 2012 at 07:45 PM
for one thing, the entry of chinese amps in our country pushed the prices down, i am not sure if that is a good thing, but here end users win.....
Quote from: JojoD818 on Mar 31, 2012 at 08:51 AM
the thing I hate the most is the tranny cover being so big but when you pry it open you'll be surprised to find such a small opt...


dinaya na sa tubes dinaya pa sa opt.  but still the end user wins?  ???
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #42 on: Mar 31, 2012 at 09:14 AM »
in fairness, pogi at makikintab ang mga case nila. thumbs up ako dyan... doon lang sa laman ang problema...
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #43 on: Mar 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM »
I've assumed that brand "y" was trying to get their share of the tube amp market by emulating brand "c". so in essence brand "c" would be a better quality amp. pare-parehas lang pala. if they're priced like sakura then i have no complaints. it's like buying a konzert amp with beautiful glowing bulbs for aesthetics. but if you price it above 10k, then they should at least follow through with proper amp design and quality.
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #44 on: Mar 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM »
Quote from: markcrenz on Mar 31, 2012 at 09:02 AM
dinaya na sa tubes dinaya pa sa opt.  but still the end user wins?  ???

dahil sa nakatapak sila sa tubelandia....kahit pa questionable ang quality....take the sakura av200 for example.....winner na yun sa akin... ;D

yung mga alanganing mag tubes, napabile tuloy.... :D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #45 on: Mar 31, 2012 at 11:02 AM »
Quote from: Coke Badger on Mar 31, 2012 at 10:40 AM
I've assumed that brand "y" was trying to get their share of the tube amp market by emulating brand "c". so in essence brand "c" would be a better quality amp. pare-parehas lang pala. if they're priced like sakura then i have no complaints. it's like buying a konzert amp with beautiful glowing bulbs for aesthetics. but if you price it above 10k, then they should at least follow through with proper amp design and quality.

in the commercial world, price is king the average user do not understand anything about their purchases.....

economics of scale is very much at play here.....ang mga chinese, kahit kumita lang ng mamera, basta million units ang benta, go sila.....

ang malaking factor, tinangkilik sila dito, nice to look at kasi.....
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #46 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 11:50 AM »
Quote from: TonyT on Mar 31, 2012 at 11:02 AM
in the commercial world, price is king the average user do not understand anything about their purchases.....




Anchor Butter (227g) - Php100

Magnolia Butter (227g) - Php95

Queensland Premium Butter (225g) - Php78

Golden Crown Butter Compound (227g) - Php35




Once you've tasted all, you'll still crave for Anchor Butter, or the Queensland at the very least.

But Golden Crown outsells them all! ;D




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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #47 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 12:01 PM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Apr 01, 2012 at 11:50 AM


Anchor Butter (227g) - Php100

Magnolia Butter (227g) - Php95

Queensland Premium Butter (225g) - Php78

Golden Crown Butter Compound (227g) - Php35




Once you've tasted all, you'll still crave for Anchor Butter, or the Queensland at the very least.

But Golden Crown outsells them all! ;D






Wow, alam mo talaga prices niyan Master J. :)
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #48 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 12:14 PM »
Quote from: Stagea on Apr 01, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Wow, alam mo talaga prices niyan Master J. :)


My wife and kids goes gaga over my garlic bread recipe so I need to know things about butter too  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #49 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 02:54 PM »
anchor butter din like ko...... :D :D :D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #50 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 03:22 PM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Apr 01, 2012 at 12:14 PM

My wife and kids goes gaga over my garlic bread recipe so I need to know things about butter too  ;D ;D ;D

Wow, may mga master chefs pala tayo dito! :)
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #51 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 03:39 PM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Apr 01, 2012 at 11:50 AM


Anchor Butter (227g) - Php100

Magnolia Butter (227g) - Php95

Queensland Premium Butter (225g) - Php78

Golden Crown Butter Compound (227g) - Php35




Once you've tasted all, you'll still crave for Anchor Butter, or the Queensland at the very least.

But Golden Crown outsells them all! ;D





Golden Crown is more margarine than butter. Mas kahilera nya Dari Creme at Buttercup.  ;)
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #52 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 04:10 PM »
Quote from: markcrenz on Apr 01, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Golden Crown is more margarine than butter. Mas kahilera nya Dari Creme at Buttercup.  ;)

Mga cultured butters masarap (mostly mga French), di lang ata masyado common sa supermarkets natin.

OT na pala, LOL. Tube buffers with Butter.
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #53 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 04:17 PM »
Quote from: Stagea on Apr 01, 2012 at 04:10 PM
Mga cultured butters masarap, di lang ata masyado common sa supermarkets natin.

OT na pala, LOL.

Tube buffers with Butter.
masarap yan. wag lang toasted tube!  ;D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #54 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 04:20 PM »
Quote from: markcrenz on Apr 01, 2012 at 04:17 PM
masarap yan. wag lang toasted tube!  ;D

LOL. Yung tube ang pang toast. ;)
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #55 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 08:19 PM »
Quote from: markcrenz on Apr 01, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Golden Crown is more margarine than butter. Mas kahilera nya Dari Creme at Buttercup.  ;)


It is more of a butter compound actually, pretty generic for baking stuff. Ok din siya for my pancakes and waffles pero iba pa din ang taste ng Anchor brader...  ;D


Quote from: TonyT on Apr 01, 2012 at 02:54 PM
anchor butter din like ko...... :D :D :D


masarap kasi...  :D



Quote from: Stagea on Apr 01, 2012 at 04:10 PM
Mga cultured butters masarap (mostly mga French), di lang ata masyado common sa supermarkets natin.

OT na pala, LOL. Tube buffers with Butter.


one of the best I've tried is LURPAK (I think it's Danish?)... ang sarap nito sa sauteed garlic mushroom, use whole buttons and make sure not to burn the garlic or it will taste "mapakla"... best served with ice cold sanmig and other beverages...




Quote from: markcrenz on Apr 01, 2012 at 04:17 PM
masarap yan. wag lang toasted tube!  ;D


kahit ano pa tube gears mo pag gutom ka panget ang tunog niyan brader...  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #56 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 09:37 PM »
Nung nakatikim ako ng Lurpak, di ko na makain yung Magnolia or Anchor. Teka, bakit nga ba butter yung pinag-uusapan dito? Tube buffer naging tube butter! ;D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #57 on: Apr 01, 2012 at 09:45 PM »
Quote from: ubunterror on Apr 01, 2012 at 09:37 PM
Nung nakatikim ako ng Lurpak, di ko na makain yung Magnolia or Anchor. Teka, bakit nga ba butter yung pinag-uusapan dito? Tube buffer naging tube butter! ;D
di naman malayo, may TRIode na tube, may TRIglyceride naman ang butter!  ;D
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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #58 on: Apr 05, 2012 at 05:42 AM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Apr 01, 2012 at 08:19 PM
one of the best I've tried is LURPAK (I think it's Danish?)... ang sarap nito sa sauteed garlic mushroom, use whole buttons and make sure not to burn the garlic or it will taste "mapakla"... best served with ice cold sanmig and other beverages...




Nice! Sarap pala magluto ni Master J! :)

Oks nga yan Lurpak. Try President din, decent mass produced French butter.

San ba may source ba tayo ng mga cultured butters locally?

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Re: Question on use of Tube Buffers with AV receiver
« Reply #59 on: Apr 05, 2012 at 11:49 AM »
Quote from: Stagea on Apr 05, 2012 at 05:42 AM
Nice! Sarap pala magluto ni Master J! :)

Oks nga yan Lurpak. Try President din, decent mass produced French butter.

San ba may source ba tayo ng mga cultured butters locally?




Thanks sir! Actually parang audio din, depende din sa ingredients ang magiging outcome ng luto.  ;D

Noon bata pa ako (hindi pa naman ganoon katagal yun) may nabibilhan kami sa may Juan Luna St sa Binondo mga imported butter, hindi ko lang alam kung nandun pa siya ngayon.

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