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The Religion Thread
« on: Jul 02, 2011 at 02:03 PM »
"I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit."

- Khalil Gibran


Please limit all discussions about religion and religious issues to this thread. Fair warning: we will not tolerate prejudice in any form regardless of creed. Doesn't matter if you cite scripture, paraphrase your pastor, reference biased studies or surveys - if it offends, it's out.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1 on: Jul 03, 2011 at 07:10 PM »
Wow, this thread has been surprisingly, well, dead. Does religion only gain context and relevance in this forum when used to disparage other people?

I sincerely and genuinely would love to see a grown-up discussion of religion here.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2 on: Jul 03, 2011 at 09:28 PM »
Mod note:

Post deleted for veering into flamebait territory. We'd like discourage any posts that may be construed as offensive by anyone, conservative and liberal alike.

This thread's legs will be dependent on the needs of the faithful to have an intelligent discussion on their faith. If this thread dies as a result of a lack of that need, then so be it. Let's not take it as a signal to bait them.

Thanks for understanding.


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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #3 on: Jul 03, 2011 at 11:11 PM »
^There's your answer right there  :)

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #4 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 03:21 PM »
I've just recently acquired BBC's A History of Christianity. It's a six-part documentary series in HD.   :D

Can't wait to watch it! ;)
« Last Edit: Jul 05, 2011 at 03:22 PM by Verbl Kint »

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #5 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 03:27 PM »
The serpent at Eden was actually a salamander?

Aaron's serpent was actually a Nile croc?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #6 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 03:30 PM »
The shortest verse in the bible is John 11:35, "Jesus wept".
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #7 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 04:04 PM »
The serpent at Eden was actually a salamander?

Aaron's serpent was actually a Nile croc?

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sa serpent galing ang snake??? kasi after icurse ang serpent... nawalan na siya ng mga paa eh...
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #8 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 04:14 PM »
Aba ewan ;D What do you think?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #9 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 04:32 PM »
bakit epol ang forbidden fruit? saan nga ba ang garden of eden? 

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #10 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 05:35 PM »
Aba ewan ;D What do you think?


i mean... sa salamander pala galing ang snake.. kasi after the curse... gumapang na ang serpent... nawalan na siya ng paa...
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #11 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 05:36 PM »
bakit epol ang forbidden fruit? saan nga ba ang garden of eden? 

hindi specifically na 'epol' ang forbidden fruit...


nakalagay lang ay 'forbidden fruit'... siguro kung mga filipino ang nagpauso ng kwento... malamang lamang ang forbidden fruit ay 'santol'.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #12 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 05:37 PM »
bakit epol ang forbidden fruit? saan nga ba ang garden of eden?  

Hindi epol ang forbidden fruit. It's called the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  It has no other name; nobody knows what it looks like.

The garden of Eden was probably located somewhere in the Middle East.  Nobody knows its specific location.  



i mean... sa salamander pala galing ang snake.. kasi after the curse... gumapang na ang serpent... nawalan na siya ng paa...

Hindi ganon yon sir.

Kung yung salamander naging snake, e di dapat lahat snake na.  Bakit may salamander pa rin hanggang ngayon?  Akala ko ba naging snake na?


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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #13 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 05:47 PM »
Nice....

Sir, may question ako, nasaan yung The Ark of The Covenant? Yung totoo ha... hindi yung sa story ng Indiana Jones...  ;D
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #14 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:04 PM »
How about the manna that Moses and the Israelites had ? Isn't it a real life plant or something?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #15 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:22 PM »

Hindi ganon yon sir.

Kung yung salamander naging snake, e di dapat lahat snake na.  Bakit may salamander pa rin hanggang ngayon?  Akala ko ba naging snake na?


marami pa namang species ng salamander siguro that time... siguro isang klase lang ng salamander ang serpent na iyon... na after the curse... isang klase lang ng salamander ang naging ahas... ewan ko lang... walang sinabi ang banal na kasulatan specifically... basta sinabi doon... 'na gagapang ang serpent'.


other than that.. di rin sinabi sa aklat na salamander ang serpent or may paa ito... isa lang ang malinaw... originally.. hindi gumagapang ang snake... gumapang lang ang snake... after the curse.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #16 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:28 PM »
And nasaan yung totoong Noah's Ark? Fake kasi yung video sa youtube na nakita na raw eh...
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #17 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:36 PM »
Sir, may question ako, nasaan yung The Ark of The Covenant? Yung totoo ha... hindi yung sa story ng Indiana Jones...  ;D

It's lost.  Nobody knows where it is.  It disappeared in 586 BC, when the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and Solomon's Temple.  

After it disappeared, naglitawan na ang mga legends.


How about the manna that Moses and the Israelites had ? Isn't it a real life plant or something?

There's no way to know that.  All we know is that it's food that originated supernaturally.

I don't think it's a plant.  According to Exodus 16:21, it melts in the heat of the sun.


And nasaan yung totoong Noah's Ark? Fake kasi yung video sa youtube na nakita na raw eh...

Wala na rin yon sir.

Ayaw siguro ng Diyos na makita pa yon.  Sigurado kasing sasambahin yon pag nakita pa e.  Pustahan tayo, kahit kapirasong kahoy ng Noah's Ark, pag nakita, sasambahin ng mga kulto.




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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #18 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:38 PM »
mukhang kailangan na ng bible scholar dito ah bibigat na ng tanong eh
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #19 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:40 PM »
How about the manna that Moses and the Israelites had ? Isn't it a real life plant or something?

Try this :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manna#Identifying_manna

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #20 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 06:45 PM »
mukhang kailangan na ng bible scholar dito ah bibigat na ng tanong eh

Hehehe... sarap kasi magtanong ng mga ganyan eh... although you may not always get a definite answer...

Diba when you were a kid, madami ka din tanong about religion and faith, and until now wala pa rin definite answers even from your parents or teachers... and usually while growing up, and alam mo nalang is kung ano yung sa movies, like indiana jones and the raiders of the lost ark...  ;)
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #21 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 07:50 PM »
i remember i watched this program on Discovery explaining the flood in Noah's Ark which they said happened in the Black Sea. they also explained how the 10 plagues happened in the Book of Genesis. And also scientist explained that serpents are descendants of a salamander-like reptile. the series was shown around April or May. sana ipalabas uli nila.

and one more thing. the Bible described Eden as located between the river Tigris and Euphrates which is located at Iraq. so there you go.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #22 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 08:27 PM »
i saw a docu before na ung noah's ark nasa turkey

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #23 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 08:37 PM »
Remember when Abram pimped his wife Sarai to the Egyptian pharaoh?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #24 on: Jul 05, 2011 at 09:15 PM »
i remember i watched this program on Discovery explaining the flood in Noah's Ark which they said happened in the Black Sea. they also explained how the 10 plagues happened in the Book of Genesis. And also scientist explained that serpents are descendants of a salamander-like reptile. the series was shown around April or May. sana ipalabas uli nila.

and one more thing. the Bible described Eden as located between the river Tigris and Euphrates which is located at Iraq. so there you go.



That's not good enough.  I've never seen an accurate Discovery Channel program on biblical topics.




The theorized flood at the Black Sea is called "The Black Sea Deluge Theory", a hypothesized catastrophic rise in the level of the Black Sea circa 5600 BC due to waters from the Mediterranean Sea breaching a sill in the Bosporus Strait.  The magnitude could not have been so great as to submerge the whole world.




Serpents are descendants of a salamander-like reptile?  That still doesn't explain what the serpent at the Garden of Eden was, because it was something else.

On Genesis 3:14, God cursed the serpent:

14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Remember, it was a talking serpent, cunning enough to deceive Eve.  It was not cursed with muteness, so why can't serpents talk today?  

It was cursed to walk on its belly and eat dust all the days of its life.  Serpents today walk on their bellies, but they don't eat dust all the days of their lives.    




Present-day Tigris is not just in Iraq, it flows through Turkey.  Present-day Euphrates is not just in Iraq, it flows through Syria and Turkey up to the Shatt al-Arab.

Even then, 2 Peter 3:6 says the world was "deluged and destroyed" by the great flood of Noah's time.

Therefore, there's no way to know how the world's geography looked like before the great flood.  And it's impossible to know whether today's rivers Tigris and Euphrates are the same Tigris and Euphrates prior to the great flood, or if they are new rivers in new locations arbitrarily named as such by the people who came after the great flood.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #25 on: Jul 06, 2011 at 12:03 AM »
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Ayaw siguro ng Diyos na makita pa yon.  Sigurado kasing sasambahin yon pag nakita pa e.  Pustahan tayo, kahit kapirasong kahoy ng Noah's Ark, pag nakita, sasambahin ng mga kulto.


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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #26 on: Jul 06, 2011 at 07:15 AM »
I think one of the crucial questions about reading the Bible is, do you really need to interpret it literally? I think this literal interpretation of the Bible is what's giving us a lot of trouble these days.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #27 on: Jul 06, 2011 at 07:29 AM »
"Organized religions in general, in my opinion, are dying forms"

"They were all very important when we didn't know why the sun moved, why weather changed, why hurricanes occurred, or volcanoes happened", he continues. "Modern religion is the end trail of modern mythology. But there are people who interpret the Bible literally. Literally! I choose not to believe that's the way. And that's what makes America cool, you know?"
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #28 on: Jul 06, 2011 at 10:26 AM »
That's not good enough.  I've never seen an accurate Discovery Channel program on biblical topics.

The theorized flood at the Black Sea is called "The Black Sea Deluge Theory", a hypothesized catastrophic rise in the level of the Black Sea circa 5600 BC due to waters from the Mediterranean Sea breaching a sill in the Bosporus Strait.  The magnitude could not have been so great as to submerge the whole world.
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That's the thing. The writer couldn't have known that the whole world was flooded. The flood may have been great enough for him to say it flooded his world. In this case, "The Black Sea Deluge Theory" is a sound theory.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #29 on: Jul 06, 2011 at 10:29 AM »
I think one of the crucial questions about reading the Bible is, do you really need to interpret it literally? I think this literal interpretation of the Bible is what's giving us a lot of trouble these days.

It depends.  Some verses should be taken literally; others should be taken figuratively.

If the reader takes everything literally, he will not be able to understand correctly.  And if the reader takes everything figuratively, he's won't be able to interpret correctly either.

The tricky part is knowing when to take it literally and when to take it figuratively.