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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1890 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:08 PM »
Hindi pa rin malinaw sa akin sir.

Kung babalik si Kristo para ihiwalay lang ang mga tao, hindi rapture yon.

Ang rapture, some will go directly from earth to heaven.  They will be suddenly snatched up.

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« Reply #1891 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:13 PM »
Hindi pa rin malinaw sa akin sir.

Kung babalik si Kristo para ihiwalay lang ang mga tao, hindi rapture yon.

Ang rapture, some will go directly from earth to heaven.  They will be suddenly snatched up.

wala akong makitang matibay batayan nito:

Ang rapture, some will go directly from earth to heaven.  They will be suddenly snatched up.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1892 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:20 PM »
Ang rapture, some will go directly from earth to heaven by being suddenly snatched up.  The others will be left behind on earth.

Pag walang elements of suddenly snatching some people up directly to heaven while leaving other people on earth, hindi rapture yon.

So, pareho tayo ng belief?  Walang rapture, whether post, mid or pre tribulation rapture?
 
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1893 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:40 PM »
Ang rapture, some will go directly from earth to heaven by being suddenly snatched up.  The others will be left behind on earth.

Pag walang elements of suddenly snatching some people up directly to heaven while leaving other people on earth, hindi rapture yon.

So, pareho tayo ng belief?  Walang rapture, whether post, mid or pre tribulation rapture?
 
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Left Behind (2014)

YouTube trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrXe8YDbzYs
kung ganyan yung rapture, wala talaga.

Ipost ko uli ito galing sa Matthew:

Matt 13:The Parable of the Weeds

24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
 
27“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
 
28“ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
 
29“ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

The Parable of the Weeds Explained

36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
 
37He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
 
40“As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.42They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.


wala pong left behind diyan, lahat ng wheat sama sama, wala ring inwanan at yung timing ng pag-gather end of the age.

The harvest is the end of the age

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1894 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:44 PM »
Thanks brader.

That's another point where we agree.

39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. (Heb. 11:39-40)

None of them received the promise, because they will be made perfect "only together with us."

Kailangan sabay-sabay tayo.  Hindi puwedeng may grupong nauna.  Hindi puwedeng may na-rapture at nauna sa langit.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1895 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 08:16 PM »
By default human will go to hell because of their sins. Tell me anong kasalanan ng isang sanggol?

Ang intindi ko kasi sa sinabi mo noon, we'll go to hell by default because we are sinners. Pamana ni Adan.

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« Reply #1896 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 09:00 PM »
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1897 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 09:57 PM »
 
I've heard it all before.  It's the arrogance of the new atheists.
 
Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher, Sam Harris.
 
To them, there's only one reason why people believe in God --- because they're all too stupid to realize that there is no God.  To them, the atheists are the intellectuals; the religious are the dumbasses. 
 
How about American Atheists spokesman David Silverman, who said on atheistnexus.org: "Religion is my bitch." He also tweeted, "Yes it is a myth. Deal with it. All delusions are myths."
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1898 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 11:30 PM »

I've heard it all before.  It's the arrogance of the new atheists.
 
Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher, Sam Harris.
 
To them, there's only one reason why people believe in God --- because they're all to stupid to realize that there is no God.  To them, the atheists are the intellectuals; the religious are the dumbasses. 
 
How about American Atheists spokesman David Silverman, who said on atheistnexus.org: "Religion is my bitch." He also tweeted, "Yes it is a myth. Deal with it. All delusions are myths."

Yes. Ang dami na niyan nagkalat sa youtube. Madami din sagot diyan ang mga theists. Si Richard Dawkins ata yun puro insults na lang ang sinasabi.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1899 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 11:46 PM »
Back to Sam Harris:

In his book The End of Faith, Harris wrote --- "Some beliefs are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them."



Sam Harris: genocidal maniac or suicidal logician?
Monday, October 13, 2014

... What a load of utter codswollop. Sam Harris clearly and openly and unmistakably wrote that it MAY be ethical to kill people for believing dangerous beliefs. Not for doing anything, not for harming anyone, but for simply BELIEVING CERTAIN BELIEFS. His repeated "clarifications" and obfuscations don't change that established fact and he has never recanted his statement. Nor, I note, has he ever come right out and declared specifically WHAT beliefs are so dangerous that it is ethical to kill people for nothing more than holding them.

There is absolutely no reference to ACTION, only to BELIEF, in his statement. Don't forget, his entire thesis in THE END OF FAITH is the intrinsic danger that stems from the mere possession of faith. Harris can't complain about "selective quoting", as the entire context actually makes it worse. He wrote: "Certain beliefs place their adherents beyond the reach of every peaceful means of persuasion, while inspiring them to commit acts of extraordinary violence against others. There is, in fact, no talking to some people. If they cannot be captured, and they often cannot, otherwise tolerant people may be justified in killing them in self-defense."

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/10/sam-harris-is-still-genocidal-maniac.html
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1900 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 12:14 AM »
The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:

 1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

 2) The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

 3) The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).

 4) The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).

 5) The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

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« Reply #1901 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 11:21 AM »
The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:

 1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).

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1 Thess 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17).


This verse said " 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven" at saan siya pupunta "17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."

Ang tanong saan located yung clouds and air na sinasabe? Kung inde earth ito inde pa nga bumalik. Pero lumalabas na yung location ng clouds and air ay earth .

Sumakatuwind yung 1 Thes 4:17 ay second coming na.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1902 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 02:27 PM »
The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:

The most important difference is this:

It is true that there will be a second coming.  It is not true that there is such a thing as a rapture.
 
 
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1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). ...

You cited 1 Thes. 4:17:

15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:15-17)

When Christ comes down from heaven to earth, those alive and those resurrected will meet Him in the air, then those alive and resurrected go back down to earth with Christ, whose purpose is His second coming on earth.  They do not go to heaven, with Christ doing a U-Turn back to heaven.
 
Those alive in Christ and those resurrected in Christ are changed to immortality.  That's why they have the ability to rise in the air as high as the clouds --- because their bodies are no longer mortal.

Why do they meet the Lord in the air and then all of them go down to earth?  Because they (the saved) are the reception group for the arriving foreign dignitary (Christ).

Note that in the verses, only one has a journey, it's Christ who comes down from heaven. Yung mga tao, walang journey --- sumusundo lang sila sa isang nag-journey.  Similar to the Queen of England who visits the Philippines --- PNoy goes to the airport, receives the Queen, and both of them go to Malacanang. 

If your OFW friend from Saudi returns to Manila to visit your home, you go to the airport to meet him, and both of you go to your home in Manila.  You don't go to the airport to meet him so that both of you can fly back to Saudi.

Si Pacquiao lang nga, pag umuwi sa Pilipinas, ang daming sumasalubong sa airport.  Si Kristo pa kaya ang hindi natin salubungin sa hangin.

 
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2)... The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

You cited 1 Thes. 5:9 and Rev. 3:10:
 

1 Thes. 5:9 is not a rapture: 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

It means God did not appoint us to suffer wrath in hellfire.  It does not mean we will be snatched to save us from the Great Tribulation.

Rev. 3:10 is not a rapture: 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Rev. 3:10 means the elect will be protected during the Great Tribulation; it does not mean they will be snatched to heaven to escape it.  The elect will remain on earth; they will not be raptured to heaven.


 
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3) The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).

As already explained above, there is no rapture in 1 Thes. 4:13-17 or 5:9.

You also cited Mat. 24:40-41:

Mat 24:40-41 is not a rapture: 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

The parallel verse in Luke explains:

34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e]

37 “Where, Lord?” they asked.

He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.” (Luke 17:34-37)


One will be taken and the other one left.
 
Where will they be taken?  To heaven?  No. 
 
Those who will be taken will not be raptured to heaven, they will simply die physically.

Verse 37 --- They asked: Where will their dead bodies be taken?  Jesus answered: They end up with the vultures.  Look for the places where vultures gather and you'll see the places where their dead bodies were gathered and dumped.
 
 
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4) The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). ...

1 Cor. 15:50-54 is not a secret event:

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

There will be seven seals. There will be seven trumpets.  At the seventh and last trumpet, the dead in Christ will resurrect into immortality, and the bodies of those in Christ who are still alive will be changed from mortal to immortal bodies. 

There is no secret rapture in those verses.  How can an event previously signified by seven seals and previously announced by seven trumpets be a secret event?

There is no instant rapture in those verses.  What is instantaneous is the change of the bodies of the saved from mortal to immortal.  The verses say nothing about also being instantly snatched from earth to heaven.



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5) The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

The second coming will occur only after other end time events take place, that's true.  But a rapture is not among those end-time events, because there is no such thing as a rapture.
 
For the rapture, you cited Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

- Titus 2:13 - No rapture there.  It's about waiting for Christ's return, but no rapture.

- 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 - No rapture there.  As explained above, the elect meet Christ in the air and they all go down to earth. 

That's why it's called the second coming, because Christ returns to earth.  If the elect were going to heaven, then Christ should have simply waited for them in heaven, instead of performing the undignified task of coming down in the clouds to escort the elect to heaven.

In the first coming, Christ came in humility.  But in the second coming, He comes in full power and glory of a Mighty God, not a lowly escort who has to fetch humans and shuttle them to heaven.

- 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 - No rapture there.  It's about being instantly changed from mortal to immortal, nothing about being instantly snatched from earth to heaven while you are alive.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1903 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:38 PM »
yan pala ang rapture sa kanila. aakyat na agad sa langit?  akala ko dati susundo lang sa pagbabalik ni Kristo tapos makikipaglaban na sa pwersa ng kasamaan (battle of armageddon).

e kung ganun, di rin pala nila makakasama si Kristo kasi maghahari pa si Christ sa lupa for a thousand years samantalang sila nasa heaven na.

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« Reply #1904 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:42 PM »
Yup. That i what i am talking about. My body will become incoruptible and will met Jesus on the air... That is whay i am waiting for, and it will happen anytime, no one knows when. Maybe later or tomorrow. That is why everyone needs to be preapred at all times.
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« Reply #1905 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:49 PM »
yan pala ang rapture sa kanila. aakyat na agad sa langit?  akala ko dati susundo lang sa pagbabalik ni Kristo tapos makikipaglaban na sa pwersa ng kasamaan (battle of armageddon).

e kung ganun, di rin pala nila makakasama si Kristo kasi maghahari pa si Christ sa lupa for a thousand years samantalang sila nasa heaven na.

Kanya-kanyang interpretation yan sir.  Kaya nga may bibliya, para masuri mo kung sino ang tama.

Nakita mo na yung iba-ibang sides sa issue, bahala ka nang mag-isip.

10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. (Acts 17:10-12)

Nakita mo ang ugali ng mga Berean Jews.  Nakausap na nga si Apostol Pablo, pero hindi pa nasiyahan, binasa pa rin ang kasulatan para malaman kung tama ba si Pablo o mali.

They were "of more noble character" than the Thessalonicans.  Why?  Because they examined the scriptures daily before they believed.
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« Reply #1906 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:52 PM »
Question. Anong klase ba yang Battle of Armageddon na yan? Tulad ba yan ng battle na napapanood natin sa pelikula na epic? Is it really necessary knowing God is all powerful?

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« Reply #1907 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:53 PM »
yan pala ang rapture sa kanila. aakyat na agad sa langit?  akala ko dati susundo lang sa pagbabalik ni Kristo tapos makikipaglaban na sa pwersa ng kasamaan (battle of armageddon).

e kung ganun, di rin pala nila makakasama si Kristo kasi maghahari pa si Christ sa lupa for a thousand years samantalang sila nasa heaven na.

Yup kasama sila sa second coming but will not fight. Jesus alone will destroy His enemies. Those who have beeb raptured they will be rulers during 1000 years reign of Jesus..
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« Reply #1908 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:54 PM »
Yup kasama sila sa second coming but will not fight. Jesus alone will destroy His enemies. Those who have beeb raptured they will be rulers during 1000 years reign of Jesus..

Rule over who?

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« Reply #1909 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:55 PM »
Question. Anong klase ba yang Battle of Armageddon na yan? Tulad ba yan ng battle na napapanood natin sa pelikula na epic? Is it really necessary knowing God is all powerful?

For Israel to believe once again.
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« Reply #1910 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:56 PM »
Yup. That i what i am talking about. My body will become incoruptible and will met Jesus on the air... That is whay i am waiting for, and it will happen anytime, no one knows when. Maybe later or tomorrow. That is why everyone needs to be preapred at all times.

may mga signs naman pag malapit na bumalik si Christ.
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« Reply #1911 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 03:57 PM »
For Israel to believe once again.

Israel needs to witness an actual battle before they can believe?

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« Reply #1912 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 04:01 PM »
Israel needs to witness an actual battle before they can believe?

They shout crucify Him, crucify Him when He came on this earth as a simple carpenter man.

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« Reply #1913 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 04:06 PM »
They shout crucify Him, crucify Him when He came on this earth as a simple carpenter man.

That's like saying Israel never matured as a people. So the battle is for Israel only?

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« Reply #1914 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 04:16 PM »
Yup kasama sila sa second coming but will not fight. Jesus alone will destroy His enemies. Those who have beeb raptured they will be rulers during 1000 years reign of Jesus..

how can you relate the rapture to the 1000 years?

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« Reply #1915 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 05:07 PM »
Yup kasama sila sa second coming but will not fight. Jesus alone will destroy His enemies. Those who have beeb raptured they will be rulers during 1000 years reign of Jesus..

alone? e kasama Nya nga mga angels.
so saan kayo nilagak kung di kayo kasama?

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« Reply #1916 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 05:39 PM »
Hindi lang angels yon. 
 
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.  (Rev. 19:11-14)
 
Kasama Niya, armies of heaven.  Hindi lang isang army, plural na armies pa raw.
 
 
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Sino raw ang kasama? 
 
His called.  His chosen and faithful followers.  They are God's people --- the called, the chosen, those who follow His commands.
 
14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers. (Rev. 17:14)
 
They are white and clean --- they did not defile themselves with false gods. They are also faithful followers.

No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. (Rev. 14:3-4)
 
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!  For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. 8 Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.” (Rev. 19:7-8)
 
Note the bright white clothes again.  They are the Lamb's bride --- the members of the true Church --- in white, clean bridal clothes:
 
I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. (2 Cor. 11:2)
 
 
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Armies of heaven ang kasama.  Maraming armies yon, hindi lang angels.  Lalo namang hindi puwedeng mag-isa lang si Kristo na lalaban sa Armageddon.
 
 
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #1917 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 05:56 PM »
at kasama din ang mga lumilipad sa himpapawid :)


17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”



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« Reply #1918 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 06:13 PM »
May ibon din, pero hindi kasama sa armies of heaven yon.
 
Ganito ang meaning --- Hindi pa nag-uumpisa ang laban, tiniyak na ang pagkatalo ng mga kalaban. 
 
Tinawag na ang mga vultures, para kainin ang katawan ng mga patay sa matatalong grupo, whether king, general or slave.
 
Birds eating the dead flesh of a warrior is the ultimate insult, which would be worse than just losing the battle.  So, birds will eat their dead flesh, whether king, general or slave, since they are all equally worthless to God, regardless of their high status or low status in life. 
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« Reply #1919 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 06:31 PM »
May ibon din, pero hindi kasama sa armies of heaven yon.
 
Ganito ang meaning --- Hindi pa nag-uumpisa ang laban, tiniyak na ang pagkatalo ng mga kalaban. 
 
Tinawag na ang mga vultures, para kainin ang katawan ng mga patay sa matatalong grupo, whether king, general or slave.
 
Birds eating the dead flesh of a warrior is the ultimate insult, which would be worse than just losing the battle.  So, birds will eat their dead flesh, whether king, general or slave, since they are all equally worthless to God, regardless of their high status or low status in life. 

agree. para di din mabaho ang mundo pag nanahan na sila.  (makakasama ba tayo dun? hehe )
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