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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2250 on: Jun 18, 2016 at 05:14 PM »
Kaya pala tahimik ang isa dyan... Kabaro pala kasi.
Ano naman ang kinalaman ng pagiging gay dun sa mass shooting?

I think what dpogs meant was walang kinalaman ang pagiging gay dun sa mass shooting but instead, he was citing that KW was not reacting or giving his comments on the mass shooting because the perpetrator was also a gay.

Ako naman, i find it odd na hindi nagreact ang LGBT community against the muslims the same way as they reacted against christians when the equal rights for marriage was being put into law.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2251 on: Jun 18, 2016 at 06:44 PM »
Baka kasi iniisip ni kw na isa lang naman patutunguhan ng usapan kung mag react pa sya. I must admit, ganun din iniisip ko. Title pa lang ng articles ganun na sinasuggest.

Also, wala rin naman kinalaman pagiging muslim dun sa mass shooting. We should stop this phobia. Kaya ang gulo gulo ng mundo e.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2252 on: Jun 18, 2016 at 06:51 PM »
I think what dpogs meant was walang kinalaman ang pagiging gay dun sa mass shooting but instead, he was citing that KW was not reacting or giving his comments on the mass shooting because the perpetrator was also a gay.

Ako naman, i find it odd na hindi nagreact ang LGBT community against the muslims the same way as they reacted against christians when the equal rights for marriage was being put into law.

ISIS wants a war between muslims and christians and jews....
ISIS is not muslim, just as the Klu klux clan is not christian, we do not call then christian extremists...
so that we do not also call ISIS muslim extremists...they are hooligans plain and simple..
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2253 on: Jun 18, 2016 at 10:09 PM »
Baka kasi iniisip ni kw na isa lang naman patutunguhan ng usapan kung mag react pa sya. I must admit, ganun din iniisip ko. Title pa lang ng articles ganun na sinasuggest.

Also, wala rin naman kinalaman pagiging muslim dun sa mass shooting. We should stop this phobia. Kaya ang gulo gulo ng mundo e.

To a certain extend meron pa din kinalaman. Ang hirap ng dilemna ng shooter. Imagine belonging to a religion where for them, being gay is punishable by death. You can just think kung gaano kagulo ang isipan ng shooter. I sympathize with him with regards to his dilemna. But then what I am saying is just an opinion or speculation. I should have probably stated that in the first place.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2254 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 06:41 AM »
To a certain extend meron pa din kinalaman. Ang hirap ng dilemna ng shooter. Imagine belonging to a religion where for them, being gay is punishable by death. You can just think kung gaano kagulo ang isipan ng shooter. I sympathize with him with regards to his dilemna. But then what I am saying is just an opinion or speculation. I should have probably stated that in the first place.

He IS a US citizen. I don't think the US will let his religion execute him for being gay, will it? He is mentally disturbed. And the homophobic and extremists are banking on this to spread hate.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2255 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 06:50 AM »
He IS a US citizen. I don't think the US will let his religion execute him for being gay, will it? He is mentally disturbed. And the homophobic and extremists are banking on this to spread hate.

Yes sir. I'm sure the US would not allowed that. I just said that he belongs to that religion. I agree that he is mentally disturbed. Ano kaya ang cause nun?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2256 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 07:07 AM »
Yes sir. I'm sure the US would not allowed that. I just said that he belongs to that religion. I agree that he is mentally disturbed. Ano kaya ang cause nun?

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I don't know. But I don't think he's the only gay Muslim US citizen out there.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2257 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 11:47 AM »
He IS a US citizen. I don't think the US will let his religion execute him for being gay, will it? He is mentally disturbed. And the homophobic and extremists are banking on this to spread hate.


Yes sir. I'm sure the US would not allowed that. I just said that he belongs to that religion. I agree that he is mentally disturbed. Ano kaya ang cause nun?

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I don't know. But I don't think he's the only gay Muslim US citizen out there.

So you are proposing that:
Gay, muslim, killing is not related sa incident. Then why was it cited in the report? So basta na lang mental disorder for no reason? But I also agree with you that he is not the only gay Muslim out there. And hindi lang gay muslim ang ONLY reason.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2258 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 01:27 PM »
I'm saying we shouldn't conclude that being gay and Muslim made him kill. The articles are clearly biased, and seemingly have an agenda other than reporting facts.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2259 on: Jun 20, 2016 at 01:34 PM »
Well... Isa lang malinaw dito... LGBT community is so silent knowing that the killer was gay and/or muslim.

It will be different if the killer is heterosexual and a non-muslim.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2260 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 07:58 AM »
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2261 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 02:28 PM »
I'm saying we shouldn't conclude that being gay and Muslim made him kill. The articles are clearly biased, and seemingly have an agenda other than reporting facts.

I agree with you. Again that was just my personal analysis. And definitely may mental disorder nga talaga. Let's just wait yun mga next report sa kanilang investigation with hopes that maayos nila ang agenda nila.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2262 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 02:32 PM »
Well... Isa lang malinaw dito... LGBT community is so silent knowing that the killer was gay and/or muslim.

It will be different if the killer is heterosexual and a non-muslim.

That is what puzzles me. This for me is very critical kasi may may death involved whereas yun dating resolved issues ng LGBT community sa US is hindi naman about death but more on civil rights. I guess siguro they are still waiting for the findings ng investigation.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2263 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 02:43 PM »
Had the killer been straight and Christian, and someone ask you to react as a straight and as a Christian, how would you? Would you even?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2264 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 02:50 PM »
Had the killer been straight and Christian, and someone ask you to react as a straight and as a Christian, how would you? Would you even?

Don't we do that all the time? 

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2265 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 06:07 PM »


Media and most probably majority of people will just call Jesus a false teacher from squatter area milking money from both poor and rich. Politician will just ignore Him or use His popularity but will never call Him capitalist or socialist.

Jesus purpose is spiritual in nature... I dont see any reason to associate Jesus in politics or any form of social or economics systems...

PS: Jesus heals and feed both rich and poor.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2266 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 06:13 PM »
Is that your Jesus or the Jesus you know? Or jan mo pala ni-base sa meme yun understanding mo kay Jesus being a socialist. By enabling the poor and curing the sick. You mean kapag socialist, the better off people don't deserve to be enabled or be cured? here is a better description of a socialism so you'd know:

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.

Taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Wala akong nakikitang poor diyan. Ang nakikita ko is collective or cooperative ownership. That means not only the poor but the whole people rich or poor.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2267 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 06:30 PM »
Had the killer been straight and Christian, and someone ask you to react as a straight and as a Christian, how would you? Would you even?

esp ultra rightist christian whiteboy....

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2268 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 07:28 PM »
no one owns Jesus Christ exclusively...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2269 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 10:05 PM »


Bakit kaya, no?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2270 on: Jun 21, 2016 at 11:48 PM »


Bakit kaya, no?

Do you even know what countries those are?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2271 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 01:06 AM »
What does that have to do with anything? My question was that the overlap of most peaceful/least religious is very significant. We were always taught that we cannot be good without God but a lot of the most violent countries are also the most religious. Dito sa Pilipinas, maraming mga religious dito pero mataas pa rin ang crime rate.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2272 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 01:16 AM »
What does that have to do with anything? My question was that the overlap of most peaceful/least religious is very significant. We were always taught that we cannot be good without God but a lot of the most violent countries are also the most religious. Dito sa Pilipinas, maraming mga religious dito pero mataas pa rin ang crime rate.

Your question doesn't support your picture.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2273 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 01:20 AM »
@Klaus ... Sa Amerika, mayamang bansa - maraming taong nakakapag aral pero tignan mo naman ang mga krimen dun. Sa isang segundo tatlong tao ang nagagahasa. Patungkol naman sa sinasabi nilang "mass killings" numero uno sila.

Ang relihiyon nasa tao iyun. Hindi ibig sabihin na sumumpa ka harapan ng pari o tao na susunod ka sa mga utos ng Diyos eh ganun na nga ang gagawin mo sa bawat kilos mo. Kung iyung mga disipolo nga ni Hesus ay laging nagkakasala kahit noong kasama siya paano pa ngayon kung saan hindi natin kasama o nakikita ang Panginoong Hesus.
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2274 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 02:04 AM »
What does that have to do with anything? My question was that the overlap of most peaceful/least religious is very significant. We were always taught that we cannot be good without God but a lot of the most violent countries are also the most religious. Dito sa Pilipinas, maraming mga religious dito pero mataas pa rin ang crime rate.


"Being religious/good" and "being with God" is not the same. You can be religious all the time but God is not with you. Vice versa, you may not be religious but God is with you.

You can be "very good" but God is not with you. But expect goodness from a true/genuine God believer.

Nagtataka ka bakit maraming religious ditto sa atin pero mataas ang crime rate? Maybe the answer is majority of Filipinos are not true/genuine Christian or believer of God "they're just being religious but God is not with them".

Do not equate "being religious" to "being with God".

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2275 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 03:34 AM »
religion = conflict=war
no tolerance
u r doomed to hell, kami lang goto heben

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2276 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 05:15 AM »
May kapatawaran sa totoong relihiyon pero hindi lagi na lang pinapatawad dahil may hangganan lahat.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2277 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 05:30 AM »
ano ang TOTOONG relihiyon ?
un sa iyo sa muslim sa hudyo katoliko inc christian protestant atbp
alam na kasunod, bangayan away giyera
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2278 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 06:21 AM »
May kapatawaran sa totoong relihiyon pero hindi lagi na lang pinapatawad dahil may hangganan lahat.

my God is a God of Life and endless mercy....
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #2279 on: Jun 22, 2016 at 06:30 AM »
my God is a God of Life and endless mercy....

no one owns Jesus Christ exclusively...

akala ko po ba walang nagmamayari kay Jesus... bakit niyo po sinabing "My God" - ang aking Diyos :)
are you sure your God is a God of Life and endless mercy not a socialist? or kasama na ang pagiging socialist?

Your God is a God of life and endless mercy and a socialist.
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