Topic: The Religion Thread

[tony]

akala ko po ba walang nagmamayari kay Jesus... bakit niyo po sinabing "My God" - ang aking Diyos
are you sure your God is a God of Life and endless mercy not a socialist? or kasama na ang pagiging socialist?

Your God is a God of life and endless mercy and a socialist.

you and your hang-ups....

[DVD_Freak]

What does that have to do with anything? My question was that the overlap of most peaceful/least religious is very significant. We were always taught that we cannot be good without God but a lot of the most violent countries are also the most religious. Dito sa Pilipinas, maraming mga religious dito pero mataas pa rin ang crime rate.

Because you have to identify which countries are these to make a better argument.  Two of those countries (Canada & Australia) represent the biggest red blotches there.  Just take those 2 countries out and you are left with probably only a quarter....and even less countries in common.

Top 10 Most Peaceful
1.    Iceland
2.    Denmark
3.    Austria
4.    New Zealand
5.    Switzerland
6.    Finland
7.    Canada
8.    Japan
9.    Australia
10.  Czech Republic

Top 10 Least Religious
1.    Australia
2.    Sweden
3.    Germany
4.    Netherlands
5.    New Zealand
6.    Luxemburg
7.    Denmark
8.    Canada 
9.    France
10   Austria

From that list, you go 5 out of 10.  So it can go either way.  Hardly definitive proof right?  To get a direct correlation you should go at least 8?

[newbie pa rin]

my God is a God of Life and endless mercy....

Just curious, when you said endless mercy what do you mean by that?
Can you site a reference for your answer or it was just your opinion?

[tony]

Just curious, when you said endless mercy what do you mean by that?
Can you site a reference for your answer or it was just your opinion?

yung dalawang kriminal na nakaagapay sa krus, isang kalimbawa...

[newbie pa rin]

Ito ba sir , the criminal was received in heaven even though he did not repent which shows God's mercy.

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
(Luke 23:42-43 KJV)

Or this, Jesus asked God to forgive them even if they did not repent

34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
(Luke 23:34 KJV)

[tony]

To me, to be a christian is to follow Jesus.....in form and in substance...

[newbie pa rin]

To me being a christian is to be a member of the catholic church.

25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
(Prv 16:25 KJV)

[jerix]

Ask ko lang, was there an official turn over of the scriptures we are using now, or they were just found by somebody somehow, somewhere and propagated that?

[Nelson de Leon]

Ask ko lang, was there an official turn over of the scriptures we are using now, or they were just found by somebody somehow, somewhere and propagated that?

From Wiki:

According to the dominant theory called Greek primacy, the New Testament was originally written in Greek, of which 5,650 handwritten copies have survived in Greek, over 10,000 in Latin. When other languages are included, the total of ancient copies approaches 25,000. The next ancient text to come close to rivaling that number is Homer's Iliad, which is thought to have survived in 643 ancient copies.[9] Recognizing this, F. E. Peters remarked that "on the basis of manuscript tradition alone, the works that make up the Christians' New Testament texts were the most frequently copied and widely circulated [surviving] books of antiquity".[this quote needs a citation] (This may be due to their preservation, popularity, and distribution brought about by the ease of seaborne travel and the many roads constructed during the time of the Roman Empire). When a comparison is made between the seven major critical editions of the Greek NT verse-by-verse – namely Tischendorf, Westcott-Hort, Von Soden, Vogels, Merk, Bover, and Nestle-Aland – 62.9% of verses are variant free.[10]
A four gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was first asserted by Irenaeus, c. 180.[11] The many other gospels that then existed were eventually deemed non-canonical (see Biblical canon) and suppressed. In his Easter letter of 367, Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books as what would become the New Testament canon,[12] and he used the phrase "being canonized" (kanonizomena) in regards to them.[13] The Council of Rome in 382 under the authority of Pope Damasus I issued an identical canon,[12] and his decision to commission the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible, c. 383, was instrumental in the fixation of the canon in the West.[14] See Development of the New Testament canon for details.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Bible#Manuscripts_and_canons

[odyopayl]

Everything can be claimed as Theory, that is why there is a word FAITH!
By definition "It is Accepting the Truth of Something Unseen thru the Words of someone Whom we put our Trust"

[dpogs]

For me, if you say you're a Christian and yet you are cheering these killings of drug addicts and drug pushers, you are a hypocrite and you shouldn't call yourself a Christian because Jesus preached forgiveness and spoke out against the death penalty and self-righteousness. Jesus Himself would be condemning these killings. 

Tsk. Next time dont use the Bible to support your personal belief. Jesus never oppose death penalty. He never spoke out against death penalty.

You will never find in the Bible indicating that Jesus opposes death penalty or spoke out against death penalty.

Jesus was sentenced to death - a death penalty. Did he oppose it? He submitted Himself to authority. God commanded His people to submit to all authority - any form of government and its laws and regulations and penalties.

[tony]

Next time dont use the Bible to support your personal belief

yes, after all when Jesus returns and asks you, what bible? then you are screwed....

[Nelson de Leon]

yes, after all when Jesus returns and asks you, what bible? then you are screwed....

Good question sir. What if Jesus asked you naman today, I want you to follow and  know me better. What will you do?

[tony]

Good question sir. What if Jesus asked you naman today, I want you to follow and  know me better. What will you do?

of course i will...

[Nelson de Leon]

of course i will...

Ayos sir. Then what if ang next question is how will you know me better?

[tony]

Ayos sir. Then what if ang next question is how will you know me better?

not interested to know you better....

[Nelson de Leon]

Ayos sir. Then what if ang next question is how will you know me better?

not interested to know you better....

Haha! Sorry sir mali ang question ko. My question is suppose to be:

What if Jesus asked you how will you come know me?

[bartender]

Haha! Sorry sir mali ang question ko. My question is suppose to be:

What if Jesus asked you how will you come know me?

I can feel you in my heart , in my being.

[Nelson de Leon]

I can feel you in my heart , in my being.

Next question naman sir, how will you know what I want?

[bartender]

You speak to me through my conscience.


Sent from nowhere

[Nelson de Leon]

You speak to me through my conscience.
Sent from nowhere

It's possible. However, pwede din naman ang devil mag-speak sa conscience di ba? Or pwede din yun knowledge natin of the government law.

[bartender]

Kung devil ang and nasa conscience mo, matagal na sya ang kausap mo. The conscience is the last resort for any being to determine right from wrong.  The law or any other knowledge will be through the brain primarily.


Sent from nowhere

[dpogs]

I can feel you in my heart , in my being.

How do you know I (Jesus) am the one you're feeling in your heart?

You speak to me through my conscience.

How do you know that I (Jesus) am the one speaking in your conscience? Are you sure it is Me (Jesus) not Satan?

[Nelson de Leon]

Kung devil ang and nasa conscience mo, matagal na sya ang kausap mo. The conscience is the last resort for any being to determine right from wrong.  The law or any other knowledge will be through the brain primarily.

Sent from nowhere

What about Hitler and Pol Pot? May conscience naman sila. He determined that his actions and decisions was right. Though I agree naman sa iyo that conscience is one aspect sir.

[tony]

Haha! Sorry sir mali ang question ko. My question is suppose to be:

What if Jesus asked you how will you come know me?

i will cross the bridge when i get there, nothing is kept secret for Him.....

[tony]

How do you know I (Jesus) am the one you're feeling in your heart?
How do you know that I (Jesus) am the one speaking in your conscience? Are you sure it is Me (Jesus) not Satan?

you won't until you are face to face with Him....

[Nelson de Leon]

Haha! Sorry sir mali ang question ko. My question is suppose to be:

What if Jesus asked you how will you come know me?

i will cross the bridge when i get there, nothing is kept secret for Him.....

Thanks for the answers sir. I know na where your coming from. I just hope that someday, when you get to know Jesus, you can share it with others as well.

[bumblebee]

Jesus was sentenced to death - a death penalty. Did he oppose it? He submitted Himself to authority. God commanded His people to submit to all authority - any form of government and its laws and regulations and penalties.

Me choice ba sya? Hindi ba't "it was written"?

[dpogs]

Me choice ba sya? Hindi ba't "it was written"?

He have always a choice. He is God. He can do everything but He chooses to be lower than angels, equal to man, submitted to government authority and He never spoke against death penalty.

Even the rest of His disciples never spoke against death penalty.

[bumblebee]

He have always a choice. He is God. He can do everything but He chooses to be lower than angels, equal to man, submitted to government authority and He never spoke against death penalty.

Even the rest of His disciples never spoke against death penalty.

That is because it was written.