Topic: The Religion Thread

[JT]

For human rights to flourish, religious rights must come second.

Any thoughts on this?

You mean, for human rights to flourish religious rights must not be abolished.

[Klaus Weasley]

You mean, for human rights to flourish religious rights must not be abolished.

If your definition of religious expression means subjugating women or discriminating against LGBT's, then your rights come in second.

[JT]

If your definition of religious expression means subjugating women or discriminating against LGBT's, then your rights come in second.

I got typo error. I mean this: "For human rights to flourish, Religious rights must be abolished completely."

Although we have free will, not all that we think or do will be good for us because we have tendency towards iniquities. We don't teach our children to do bad things, they come out naturally that's why we teach them to do what is right.

Need to have a moral compass above man's standard. I firmly believe the bible is God's standard.

[dpogs]

i firmly believe that when human law is put first before or above God's law... this world is going nowhere... that is what happening today...

[Klaus Weasley]

i firmly believe that when human law is put first before or above God's law... this world is going nowhere... that is what happening today...

Whose God's law?

[dpogs]

Whose God's law?

hmmm let s see... im very sure...

...the One that keeps on knocking on your door...

[leomarley]

Whose God's law?

good argument. of the thousands of gods out there, which god and god's law should we follow?

[neilc]

i firmly believe that when human law is put first before or above God's law... this world is going nowhere... that is what happening today...

God's Law? How sure are you that those laws you're referring to are made by God. And who's God?

[barrister]

i firmly believe that when human law is put first before or above God's law... this world is going nowhere... that is what happening today...

 
The world already tried putting God's law first, and this is what happened:
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
Today, some groups still insist on putting God's law first.  This is what they got:
 
 
 

 
 

[dpogs]

The world already tried putting God's law first, and this is what happened:
 

 
Today, some groups still insist on putting God's law first.  This is what they got:

I firmly believe... they are not putting God's law on the first place... they are putting laws that they think are beneficial on their religion/sect...

and i believe... i am referring to the God of that man being tortured... i am referring to the God of those believers hunted, tortured and killed both by roman catholics and protestants...

I am referring to the God of those people that believe on the separation of church and state...

I am referring to the God of these people that value life more than self satisfaction...

[leomarley]

I am referring to the God of those people that believe on the separation of church and state...

I am referring to the God of these people that value life more than self satisfaction...

Medyo contradicting ata yung gusto mo na sundin ang law of god sa statement mo na 'to.

[greatauror28]

Just what I expected.

Another thread about people who loves to justify that there's no God and that human laws must come first, support LGTB righrts, etcetera, etcetera.

Jeez people, its already 2014. Respect each and everyone's opinion.
Doesn't matter really what you believe in, as long as you don't step on others.

[dpogs]

Medyo contradicting ata yung gusto mo na sundin ang law of god sa statement mo na 'to.

hmmm... to be honest i am not referring to the law of god... i am referring to the law of God...

i believe on the separation of church and state in terms of freedom of religion...
1. a government must not force its citizen to join any particular religion/sect or to enforce a certain belief from particular group.. the government must never use its force or interfere on any practices, heirarchy or doctrine of the church...
2. a church must not use the government for its personal gain... nor seek power or money to meet their ends...

kaya nga hindi ako bilib sa mga pari o pastor na naghahangad ng puwesto sa gobyerno... mahirap ang mamangka sa dalawang ilog... mahirap maglingkod sa dalawang master... kailangan isa lang....

tsaka dont bring your religion to work or to school... kapag oras ng trabaho dapat trabaho lang... oras ng pag-aaral dapat aral lang... though we cant bring religion to work or school or in office... we can always bring God anywhere...

if we look closer the function of church and state are beneficial to each other...



God's law value life and despises the selfish... despises those who seek for their own satisfaction only...
1. God's law considered life as sacred and is precious... that is why it is a crime to kill innocent lives...
2. God's law states that the capital punishment for those guilty of murder (or any crime resulted to death of innocent lives) is death...
3. God's law states that death must be given to those who found guilty of murder...
4. God's law states that a fair trial regardless of class or status must be observed and requires proof of guilt before administering any punishment...
5. God's law states that all person are equal, innocent or guilty, are created before the image of God thus must be treated with dignity... murderer or not... criminals or not... both deserve to be treated with dignity... kumbaga walang bastusan... we are all human...

kaya nga i strongly disagree to legalize abortion since it kills innocents life... and agree for death penalty as capital punishment for heinous crimes espcially for those guilty of murder..

hindi ko nga maintindihan itong mga pro abortionist na ito and at the same time ayaw ng death penalty... they are willing na patayin ang inosente at hayaang mabuhay ang isang mamamatay tao...guilty of murder/heinous crimes...

[Klaus Weasley]

hmmm let s see... im very sure...

...the One that keeps on knocking on your door...

So I should worship the Electrolux man? :-P

[leomarley]

Just what I expected.

Another thread about people who loves to justify that there's no God and that human laws must come first, support LGTB righrts, etcetera, etcetera.

Jeez people, its already 2014. Respect each and everyone's opinion.
Doesn't matter really what you believe in, as long as you don't step on others.

i'm not against people who have religious beliefs as it is their right to praise whoever they want. But i have issues with those who hinder human progress, specially in the sciences, because of their beliefs.

It's like having a penis. it's nice to have one but don't go around wagging it in front of everybody. just keep it to yourself.

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson sums it up easily:

"I don't have an issue with what you do in the church, but I'm going to be up in your face if you're going to knock on my science classroom and tell me they've got to teach what you're teaching in your Sunday school. Because that's when we're going to fight."

Have a happy New Year!

[barrister]

i'm not against people who have religious beliefs as it is their right to praise whoever they want. But i have issues with those who hinder human progress, specially in the sciences, because of their beliefs.

I agree.

Worship whomever you want.  But when religious belief is imposed on others, that's when it becomes a problem.

And that's the dilemma when someone proposes to follow God's laws.  First, somebody has to choose which God.  Then the religious beliefs of the group are imposed on all others.

Paano kung Satanista ako.  Si Satanas ang Diyos ko.  Let's follow God's laws!     Who decides which God is the correct God?  Palakasan ng palakpak? 

As history has shown, separation of church and state is the solution. 

[dpogs]

So I should worship the Electrolux man? :-P

well go ahead... we have freedom of religion/beliefs naman... you can worship him if that is the One who keeps on knocking on your door...




hmmm... i am just wondering... why is that electrolux man keeps on knocking at your door... nagtataka tuloy ako... parang ayaw ko na tuloy bumili ng products ng electrolux... mukhang hindi matitibay at kailangang lagi silang kumatok sa aking pintuan....

[dpogs]

I agree.

Worship whomever you want.  But when religious belief is imposed on others, that's when it becomes a problem.

that is why we need separation of church and state... state must not be involved on any affairs of the church unless if it will disrupt peace and order... church must not seek power or gain financial support to any group or government to fulfill their mission... we need total freedom of religion...

And that's the dilemma when someone proposes to follow God's laws.  First, somebody has to choose which God.  Then the religious beliefs of the group are imposed on all others.

There is no dilemma when somebody has to choose which 'god' he/she wants to follow and share it to others... the dilemma is when somebody has to imposed his/her belief to others that will result or will contradict or will deprived other freewill or freedom of speech/religioin

Paano kung Satanista ako.  Si Satanas ang Diyos ko.  Let's follow God's laws!     Who decides which God is the correct God?  Palakasan ng palakpak? 

As history has shown, separation of church and state is the solution. 

as history has shown also, (all) most laws formulated by (any) majority of government are just an amplified version of the ten commandment...




for us to prosper as a nation... huwag na dapat makialam ang roman catholic, iglesia ni kristo, protestants etc at kung ano mang grupo consider na natin mga scientology... na makialam sa anumang affair ng government/state o magseek ng favor, power or money to carry out their spiritual agenda... huwag na rin dapat magpakita ng pabor ang government sa iilang piling religious sect lamang...

in the Philippines, we dont have a real and complete separation of church and state...

[barrister]

that is why we need separation of church and state... state must not be involved on any affairs of the church unless if it will disrupt peace and order... church must not seek power or gain financial support to any group or government to fulfill their mission... we need total freedom of religion...

There is no dilemma when somebody has to choose which 'god' he/she wants to follow and share it to others... the dilemma is when somebody has to imposed his/her belief to others that will result or will contradict or will deprived other freewill or freedom of speech/religioin

Hindi naman pala tayo magkakontra sir.  Pero iba yung sabi mo previous posts mo.

 

as history has shown also, all the laws formulated by any government are just an amplified version of the ten commandment...

No, that's not true.

You said ALL laws of ANY government.

In Saudi, blasphemy against Allah is punishable by beheading.  Wala namang ganon sa ten commandments.

In the Philippines, bawal ang walang seatbelt.  Saan sa ten commandments ang ganon?

[dpogs]

Hindi naman pala tayo magkakontra sir.  Pero iba yung sabi mo previous posts mo.

 
No, that's not true.

You said ALL laws of ANY government.

In Saudi, blasphemy against Allah is punishable by beheading.  Wala namang ganon sa ten commandments.

In the Philippines, bawal ang walang seatbelt.  Saan sa ten commandments ang ganon?

Hmmm... you have a point there... edit ko post ko....

[barrister]

Nun who didn't know she was pregnant gives birth
to baby and names him after Pope Francis
Saturday 18th January 2014

... The nun, who is from El Salvador, had kept her pregnancy a secret and even as she was being taken to hospital in an ambulance denied that she could be pregnant.

“It's not possible, I'm a nun,” she told doctors, according to the Italian press.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/nun-gives-birth-to-baby-and-names-him-after-pope

[krets pulpol]

Same.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/shocked-italian-nun-gives-birth-baby-boy-095247545.html

I mean WTF is this?! She think she's the new Mary?

The results of a study on reproductive health, published in the British Medical Journal, revealed that one in 200 US women claim to have given birth without ever having had sexual intercourse.

[barrister]

I mean WTF is this?! She think she's the new Mary?

I guess so. 

The first time I encountered the idea of a nun claiming to have had a virgin birth was in the 1985 movie "Agnes of God" ---


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_God_(film))
 

The first time I heard about something like it real life is in this news item.
 

[starfighter]

Nun who didn't know she was pregnant gives birth
to baby and names him after Pope Francis
Saturday 18th January 2014

... The nun, who is from El Salvador, had kept her pregnancy a secret and even as she was being taken to hospital in an ambulance denied that she could be pregnant.

“It's not possible, I'm a nun,” she told doctors, according to the Italian press.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/nun-gives-birth-to-baby-and-names-him-after-pope

the "immaculate" conception

[Verbl Kint]

Nun who didn't know she was pregnant gives birth
to baby and names him after Pope Francis
Saturday 18th January 2014

... The nun, who is from El Salvador, had kept her pregnancy a secret and even as she was being taken to hospital in an ambulance denied that she could be pregnant.

“It's not possible, I'm a nun,” she told doctors, according to the Italian press.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/nun-gives-birth-to-baby-and-names-him-after-pope

[sirhc]

the "immaculate" conception

We already have the technology to confirm this though right? I say imbestigahan muna medically before we jump into conclusions.

Here's an example, although technically, the girl got pregnant through a sexual act, it still happened without sexual intercourse, just with the right incredible conditions..

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/08/the-bizarre-story-of-the-girl-with-no-vagina-who-was-stabbed-and-had-a-baby/

[dpogs]

mahimbing tulog nila... kaya di nila alam...

[barrister]

The ‘healing priest’ controversy
By Dr. Philip S. Chua
10:00 am | Monday, March 10th, 2014
 

 
San Miguel Corp (SMC) has responsibly scuttled the 33-hectare-land-donation to self-proclaimed healing priest Fr. Fernando Suarez’s ambitious plan “to construct a P1 billion ‘mega shrine’ to Mother Mary in Alfonso, Cavite, because of serious concerns about the management and financial issues.”
 
SMC has discovered the “healing priest”, has reneged on his vows of poverty and has “been living the lifestyle of the rich and famous, wearing expensive clothes and watches, billeting himself at 5-star hotels when he attended matches like the Wimbledon.” The investigation also revealed that his expenses and business transactions were not properly documented.
 
... Fr. Fernando Suarez is a 47-year-old priest who flies all over the world where Filipinos are, literally claiming to have the power of healing, and without finesse or subtlety, asking for monetary contribution for his project, which he said would be taller than the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro.

 http://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/2014/03/10/the-healing-priest-controversy/

[nbc]

Hindi naman daw kasi "poor" healing priest... Lol.

nbc

[barrister]

The healing priest’s rich lifestyle
By Ramon Tulfo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
2:08 am | Thursday, March 6th, 2014
 
... Many rich people healed by Father Suarez have given him hundreds of thousands  and even millions of pesos out of gratitude.

But when asked why his foundation was short on finances, the priest was  reportedly heard saying: “Sa akin binigay ang pera. Bakit ko ibibigay sa aking  foundation (The money was given to me. Why should I give it to my foundation)?”

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/582650/the-healing-priests-rich-lifestyle