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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #960 on: May 26, 2013 at 04:07 PM »
ewan ko kung natanong na dito ito, bakit natalo sa election si Bro. Eddie Villanueva?
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« Reply #961 on: Jun 12, 2013 at 01:14 PM »
Mike Huckabee says churches should give up tax exempt status

In a surprising move, Christian conservative and Republican leader Mike Huckabee is encouraging churches to give up their tax exempt status. Huckabee issued the following call for churches to unilaterally give up their tax-exempt status via Twitter on June 11:

    It's time for churches to reject tax exempt status completely; freedom is more important than government financial favors.

Huckabee first suggested that Christians “give up tax-exempt status and tax deductions for charitable contributions” on June 10, while speaking at the pastors’ conference prior to the annual Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Houston. There Huckabee said:

    I think we need to recognize that it may be time to quit worrying so much about the tax code and start thinking more about the truth of the living God, and if it means that we give up tax-exempt status and tax deductions for charitable contributions, I choose freedom more than I choose a deduction that the government gives me permission to say what God wants me to say.

http://www.examiner.com/article/mike-huckabee-says-churches-should-give-up-tax-exempt-status

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« Reply #962 on: Jun 12, 2013 at 09:32 PM »
I think he's only saying that to strengthen the political power and influence of churches and religion.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #963 on: Sep 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM »
Atheists can be moral - Pope Francis
By: Agence France-Presse
September 11, 2013 10:07 PM

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ROME -- Pope Francis on Wednesday said atheists could take moral decisions just like religious people, in an unprecedented letter to a leftwing Italian daily -- his latest attempt to reach out to nonbelievers.

"God's mercy has no limits if we turn to him with a sincere and contrite heart," the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics said in a missive published in La Repubblica by its founder Eugenio Scalfari.

"The question for people who do not believe in God is to listen to their consciences. Also for those without faith, sin is going against your conscience," he said.

"Listening to it and obeying it means making up one's mind about what is good and evil," he added.

The letter was the 76-year-old pope's reply to questions posed in the newspaper in July and August by Scalfari, who had admitted to not believing in God.

Since being elected in March, the Argentine pope has repeatedly said he wants his words to be heard by faithful from other religions and non-believers.

During a blessing in St. Peter's Square in May, Francis said nonbelievers could be redeemed just like Catholics -- an unusual message that was quickly denied by a Vatican spokesman who said that anyone who refuses the Catholic Church "cannot be saved."

"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ. All of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!" the pope said in his address in May.

"We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there," he said.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/70536/atheists-can-be-moral---pope-francis

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #964 on: Sep 11, 2013 at 11:29 PM »
religious zealots: "that's only his opinion."

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« Reply #965 on: Sep 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM »

"We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there," he said.


Eto hindi ko gets. No offense meant, pero kapag tinawag ng atheist na father si God, that means di na siya atheist and believer na tama?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #966 on: Sep 12, 2013 at 12:21 AM »
Eto hindi ko gets. No offense meant, pero kapag tinawag ng atheist na father si God, that means di na siya atheist and believer na tama?

Father refers to a priest.

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« Reply #967 on: Sep 12, 2013 at 11:38 PM »
Father refers to a priest.

Thanks for clarification. I nearly forgot about that.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #968 on: Sep 18, 2013 at 01:34 PM »
Been meaning to ask this: any Muslim members here in Pdvd?

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« Reply #969 on: Sep 19, 2013 at 07:57 PM »
Been meaning to ask this: any Muslim members here in Pdvd?

Ako din i wanna know. Kc they also worship the God of Abraham sa pagkaka-alam ko.

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« Reply #970 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 01:14 PM »
i am a catholic.... pero sa panahon ngayon at nagyayari sa paligid, napakarami na ng mga lumalabas na religion... bawat isa nagsasabi na sila ang totoo at sa tunay na diyos.. pero sino nga ba talagang totoo??  :(

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« Reply #971 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 08:13 PM »
i am a catholic.... pero sa panahon ngayon at nagyayari sa paligid, napakarami na ng mga lumalabas na religion... bawat isa nagsasabi na sila ang totoo at sa tunay na diyos.. pero sino nga ba talagang totoo??  :(

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #972 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 09:21 PM »
Bible.

Muslims will then tell you the Koran.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #973 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:05 PM »
Muslims will then tell you the Koran.

Agree!

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #974 on: Sep 24, 2013 at 08:12 AM »
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« Reply #975 on: Sep 24, 2013 at 03:43 PM »
Bible.
yes BIBLE... pero napakarami ng mga mangangaral na nangangaral na iba-iba ang paliwanag sa bawat verse ng bible..i am a catholic pero madalas ako manuod ng INC, Ely Soriano, JIL, at iba pa mga religious show sa tv, pero isa lang sa kanila ang bible ang laging batayan sa pagsagot sa tanong ng mga nagsusuri... Kapag religion talaga ang pinag-uusapan ng kahit sino man ay walang katapusan ang paliwanagan... may kanya-kanya talagang paniwala ang bawat isa. ayaw ko mag iba or lumipat ng religion. Anu man ang religion na samahan ko alam ko na di nya ako kayang iligtas kung puro mali din ang gagawin ko sa kapwa ko. kung anu ang nakagisnan ko duon na lang ako. iiwasan at hindi  ko na lang gagawin ang maling turo ng religion ko na sa pagkakaalam at nalaman ko na mali. For me the most important thing is "kung ayaw mo gawin sayo huwag mong gawin sa kapwa mo".
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #976 on: Sep 24, 2013 at 05:02 PM »
When you look at the bible, it's faith by grace that will save us and not religion, good works or pastors or priests.

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #977 on: Oct 02, 2013 at 10:00 AM »
Anti-Muslim riots rock western Myanmar
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7:29 am | Wednesday, October 2nd, 2013

Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/499113/anti-muslim-riots-rock-western-myanmar#ixzz2gWdZYFzA

first incident I know where Muslims were the one oppressed, and the followers of Buddha, whose supposed to be gentle, austere, benevolent, and gives utmost important to life in general played the role of oppressors.
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« Reply #978 on: Oct 13, 2013 at 09:15 PM »
CMIIW, according to the bible, it was Isaac who was supposed sacrifice by Abraham. Pero sa Feast of Sacrifice by our Muslim brothers, si Ishmael naman ang supposedly sacrifice?

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #979 on: Oct 14, 2013 at 07:14 AM »
CMIIW, according to the bible, it was Isaac who was supposed sacrifice by Abraham. Pero sa Feast of Sacrifice by our Muslim brothers, si Ishmael naman ang supposedly sacrifice?

Yes. Ishmael is considered by Muslims as the forefather of Arabs.

C. But the Bible mentions that Isaac was to be sacrificed.

M. The Islamic version states that the covenant between God, Abraham, and his only son Ishmael was made and sealed when Ishmael was supposed to be sacrificed. On the very same day, Abraham, Ishmael, and all the men of Abraham's household were circumcised. At that time, Isaac had not even born: Genesis 17:24-27: "And Abraham was ninety years old and nine when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son. And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him."

A year later, Isaac was born and circumcised when he was eight days old: Genesis 21:4-5: "And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him. And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him." So when the covenant was made and sealed (circumcision and sacrifice) Abraham was ninety-nine and Ishmael was thirteen. Isaac was born a year later, when Abraham was one hundred years old.

As you know, Kedar is a descendent of Ishmael (Genesis 25:13), and Ishmael is the the base for the Family Tree of Prophet Muhammad through Kedar. The followers of Ishmael, Prophet Muhammad and all Muslims, remain faithful until today to this covenant of circumcision. In their five daily prayers, Muslims include the praise of Abraham and his followers with the praise of Muhammad and his followers.

C. But in Genesis 22 it is mentioned that Isaac was to be sacrificed.

M. I know, but you will see the contradiction there. It is mentioned "shine only son Isaac." Shouldn't it be "shine only son Ishmael," when Ishmael was thirteen years old and Isaac had not even been born? When Isaac was born, Abraham had two sons. Because of chauvinism, the name of Ishmael was changed to Isaac in all of Genesis 22. But God has preserved the word "only" to show us what it should have been.

The words "I will multiply thy seed" in Genesis 22:17 was applied earlier to Ishmael in Genesis 16:10. Was not the whole of Genesis 22 applicable to Ishmael then? "I will make him a great nation" has been repeated twice for Ishmael in Genesis 17:20 and Genesis 16:10: "And the angel of the Lord said unto her [Hager]: 'I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude."'

Genesis 17:20: "And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. Twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation."

Genesis 21:13: "And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed."

Genesis 21:18: "Arise, lift up the lad [Ishmael], and hold him in shine hand, for I will make him a great nation."

Deuteronomy 21:15-17: "If a man have two wives, one beloved and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hash, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hash: for he is the beginning of the strength; the right of the firstborn is his." Islam does not deny God's blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but the son of promise is Ishmael, from whom arose Muhammad as the seal of the prophets.

source: http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/sacrifice.htm




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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #980 on: Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM »
Pope Francis: his life is in danger from 'ndrangheta, warns anti-mafia judge

Pope Francis's life is in danger from 'ndrangheta, Italy's most feared crime group, a leading anti-mafia judge has claimed.

Nicola Gratteri, a magistrate in the southern city of Reggio Calabria, near 'ndrangheta's heartland, has said the Pontiff's crackdown on financial corruption in the Vatican, has angered bosses in the brutal crime syndicate, which is thought to rule Europe's cocaine trade.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-his-life-is-in-danger-from-ndrangheta-warns-antimafia-judge-8937661.html

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #981 on: Nov 21, 2013 at 08:05 PM »
Hi Guys,
I have spent all afternoon browsing this thread & it has reminded me why I never discuss religion or politics. I am impressed with your knowledge of the bible & religion in general. I find it an excellent debate & gives lots of food for thought. I have definitely learned much.
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« Reply #984 on: Nov 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM »
'Not to share wealth with poor is to steal': Pope slams capitalism as 'new tyranny'

http://rt.com/news/pope-francis-capitalism-tyranny-324/

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« Reply #985 on: Nov 27, 2013 at 02:58 PM »
Pope slams capitalism, but does not slam rich religions.
 
If he practiced what he preached, his religion would no longer be the richest in the world.
 
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/world/the-10-richest-religions-in-the-world/
 

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« Reply #986 on: Nov 27, 2013 at 03:35 PM »
Was Mother Teresa not so saintly after all?
Researchers spark controversy by claiming
her care of the sick was 'dubious' and
handling of cash 'suspicious'


By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED:17:33 GMT, 3 March 2013| UPDATED:10:36 GMT, 4 March 2013

... At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries.
 
But these missions have been described as 'homes for the dying' by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta.
 
Doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers.
 
But the authors say the problem is not a lack of money, as the foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundred of millions of pounds.

Sisters of the Missions of Charity attend the state funeral for Mother Teresa in Calcutta but critics have sparked controversy claiming her care of the sick was 'dubious.'
 
They also say that following numerous natural disasters in India she offered prayers and medallions of the Virgin Mary but no direct or monetary aid.
 
But she accepted the Legion of Honour and a grant from the Duvalier dictatorship in Haiti, said prof Larivee, and although millions of dollars were transferred to the various bank accounts, most of the accounts were kept secret.
 
Dr Larivie says: 'Given the parsimonious management of Mother Teresa's works, one may ask where the millions of dollars for the poorest of the poor have gone?'
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287427/Was-Mother-Teresa-saintly-Researchers-spark-controversy-claiming-care-sick-dubious-handling-cash-suspicious.html


 
Mother Teresa: Sadistic religious fanatic
guilty of medical malpractice
 
March 6, 2013
 
... Researchers report Mother Teresa saw beauty in suffering, and was far more willing to pray for those in her care rather than provide practical medical treatment. In addition to her medical malpractice and her perverse and sadistic enjoyment of the suffering of others, the study also raises questions about Teresa’s financial mismanagement of large sums of money, and her friendship with unsavory and immoral world leaders.
 
... Famed author and journalist Christopher Hitchens is cited in the new study. Hitchens was one of the first to raise questions about the authenticity of claims made by the Roman Catholic Church promoting Mother Teresa. The following is an excerpt from Hitchens’ 2003 critique:
 
“Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.

“And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go?

“Many more people are poor and sick because of the life of Mother Teresa: Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions.
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mother-teresa-sadistic-religious-fanatic-guilty-of-medical-malpractice
 
 
 
Missionaries of Inhumanity

Warning: Due to the distressing nature of the images, I’ve posted all of them at the very end of this post. May not be suitable to be viewed at work. Viewer discretion is advised.
 
Hemley Gonzalez, currently back in India, has found another volunteer for the Missionaries of Charity who is now, after 13 years of working for Mother Teresa’s famous organisation, willing to speak up about the countless cases of abuse, medical negligence, and financial fraud she witnessed. And she has many stories to tell. Here is the full-length interview, courtesy of Hemley Gonzalez.

http://humanizzm.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/missionaries-of-inhumanity/
 
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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #987 on: Dec 28, 2013 at 03:25 PM »
The conversation I just read sa IMDB I think rocked yo! :)

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« Reply #988 on: Dec 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM »

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Re: The Religion Thread
« Reply #989 on: Dec 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM »
 
It's just a restatement of an old idea.

All we need is to keep church and state separate.
 
 
 
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