Author Topic: The Religion Thread (Read 363907 times)

dpogs · « **Reply #2100 on:** Mar 16, 2016 at 09:28 PM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 16, 2016 at 03:19 PM

religion is truly the "opium " of the people....
it makes the believers lose their critical thinking, their own humanity,
to be replaced by whatever the doctrines their church teaches them...

it teaches the people to accept whatever the government do to them without thinking,
without question without complaints....they can not see what is behind the negativity and the complaining,
they are quick to dismiss, and quickly cringe at mere hint of dissent....

for according to them, the leaders were appointed by god....
and so we have to be subservient always...

so i wonder, which god will allow a president who is no longer qualified for a 3rd term,
to become a dictator?
perhaps they could be talking about another god....

Are you talking about Roman Catholics?

tony · « **Reply #2101 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 07:54 AM »

the born against mostly....the rc had that during Rizal's time...

pero bakit hindi nila maipanalo si Eddie Villanueva?

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #2102 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 07:58 AM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 17, 2016 at 07:54 AM

the born against mostly....the rc had that during Rizal's time...

pero bakit hindi nila maipanalo si Eddie Villanueva?

Probably kasi hindi sila block voting or baka walang influence ng church leaders ang voting congregation.

tony · « **Reply #2103 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 08:03 AM »

i am always reminded by the Guyana massacres and the Waco Texas incident....

dpogs · « **Reply #2104 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 08:46 AM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 16, 2016 at 03:19 PM

religion is truly the "opium " of the people....
it makes the believers lose their critical thinking, their own humanity,
to be replaced by whatever the doctrines their church teaches them...

above, still true sa RC ngayon. Over time, their doctrine change kahit ngayon.

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it teaches the people to accept whatever the government do to them without thinking,
without question without complaints....they can not see what is behind the negativity and the complaining,
they are quick to dismiss, and quickly cringe at mere hint of dissent....

for according to them, the leaders were appointed by god....
and so we have to be subservient always...

I am glad and blessed that Jesus followed the government? Nasaan kaya tayo ngayon if Jesus disobey the authority of Pilate? and what if Peter successfully defended Jesus. Jesus was wrongfully accused, did Jesus rebel/complains against the government?

Even Jesus pay His taxes.

If you read the Bible carefully, one of Its main topic is for us to be submissive to any authority except if it violates/transgresses the Word of God.

Isa sa mga bagay na God really hate is a proud heart, a rebellious heart just like Satan.

If this government gave me rights to do things that will violate the Word of God, I will never exercise that right.

tony · « **Reply #2105 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 09:11 AM »

^oh yes, submissive that several hundreds of church members of the Jim Jones were killed...
poor members, they never had a chance....

and when David Koresh took that women in her church as his wives, they were all submissive...
they all burned alive....

dpogs · « **Reply #2106 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 10:20 AM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 17, 2016 at 09:11 AM

^oh yes, submissive that several hundreds of church members of the Jim Jones were killed...
poor members, they never had a chance....

and when David Koresh took that women in her church as his wives, they were all submissive...
they all burned alive....

As i have said, unless it violates the Word of God. Your example is one kind of blind faith.

Nasa Word of God ba ang pagkitil ng buhay lalot ito ay iyong sariling buhay?

tony · « **Reply #2107 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 10:50 AM »

^ you don't get it, you are master of twisting.....

dpogs · « **Reply #2108 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:04 AM »

You dwell on being submissive only, you did not include the rest...

Submit to any authority UNLESS it violates/transgress the Word of God.

I know what youre meant to, I hope you get what i meant too.

Your example is some sort of blind faith - submission outside the will of God.

Pero kung ganyan ang pakahulugan mo ng "submit to authority", its up to you.

tony · « **Reply #2109 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:08 AM »

you will make a fine lawyer if you are not one already...

rascal101 · « **Reply #2110 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 17, 2016 at 09:11 AM

^oh yes, submissive that several hundreds of church members of the Jim Jones were killed...
poor members, they never had a chance....

and when David Koresh took that women in her church as his wives, they were all submissive...
they all burned alive....

This happened because these people were stupid. Blindly listening to a man without the use of common sense. Further, if God really wanted to speak to you then there should be some signs.

tony · « **Reply #2111 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:16 AM »

^that is why i say religion is the opium of the people....
under the influence, these people do stupid things...

dpogs · « **Reply #2112 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:25 AM »

The Word of God teaches everyone to submit to all authority unless it violatesa the Word Of God - final authority.

Ang example mo ng mga cult na naging tragedy ay malinaw na paglabag sa authority which is the Word of God.

They followed their leader not God. Who owned our body? GOD commanded all His children to take care of their body because it belongs to God.

Quote from: rascal101 on Mar 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM

This happened because these people were stupid. Blindly listening to a man without the use of common sense. Further, if God really wanted to speak to you then there should be some signs.

No, It happened because they use their common sense instead of using the Word of God - final authority.

In our age - Age of Grace, hindi na kailangan gumawa ng Diyos ng sign. Dont tell me you still believe in signs?

God spoke/spake to us through His Word - The Bible. God really wanted to talk to us that is why He gave us His Word.

tony · « **Reply #2113 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:43 AM »

but in the bible you can find incestous situation, god's word?

dpogs · « **Reply #2114 on:** Mar 17, 2016 at 11:56 AM »

As an example?

oweidah · « **Reply #2115 on:** Mar 22, 2016 at 07:22 AM »

Quote from: tony on Mar 17, 2016 at 11:16 AM

^that is why i say religion is the opium of the people....
under the influence, these people do stupid things...

they get rich

tony · « **Reply #2116 on:** Mar 22, 2016 at 07:42 AM »

^rich?

dpogs · « **Reply #2117 on:** Mar 22, 2016 at 07:54 AM »

Quote from: ojofool on Mar 22, 2016 at 07:22 AM

they get rich

wala nang tatalo sa Roman Catholics Church (religion) kung payamanan lang ang pag-uusapan

tony · « **Reply #2118 on:** Mar 22, 2016 at 08:04 AM »

talagang eala nga ngang tatalo sa RC....

dpogs · « **Reply #2119 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 10:56 AM »

Quote from: jerix on Mar 29, 2016 at 09:23 AM

I agree but he trusted so much. He must have entertained the thought that changes will come so quick if Marcos is removed to the extent that he used the name of heaven to justify the anointment of people who came next. But I agree likewise that such pronouncement was dictated not because of his religious persuasions but of his political instinct as a Filipino.

Church, religion, specially church leader must learn to separate themselves from the government at all times.

rascal101 · « **Reply #2120 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 11:25 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Mar 17, 2016 at 11:25 AM

The Word of God teaches everyone to submit to all authority unless it violatesa the Word Of God - final authority.

Ang example mo ng mga cult na naging tragedy ay malinaw na paglabag sa authority which is the Word of God.

They followed their leader not God. Who owned our body? GOD commanded all His children to take care of their body because it belongs to God.

No, It happened because they use their common sense instead of using the Word of God - final authority.

In our age - Age of Grace, hindi na kailangan gumawa ng Diyos ng sign. Dont tell me you still believe in signs?

God spoke/spake to us through His Word - The Bible. God really wanted to talk to us that is why He gave us His Word.

Do you just simply pray for the sake of praying? Signs are indications that God is listening to you. These signs do not need to be so great. It can be small things or maybe a new a way of looking at things. When you are being given God's graces there are things you are able to do or understand compared to not having God's graces. These are the signs I am talking about.

rascal101 · « **Reply #2121 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 11:31 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Mar 22, 2016 at 07:54 AM

wala nang tatalo sa Roman Catholics Church (religion) kung payamanan lang ang pag-uusapan

Paano mo alam na mayaman nga ang simbahang Katoliko? May pruweba ka ba? Kung ako tatanungin gusto lang ipalabas ng ibang tao na mayaman nga ang Katolikong simbahan pero sino ba ang niloloko nila.

rascal101 · « **Reply #2122 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 11:39 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Mar 29, 2016 at 10:56 AM

Church, religion, specially church leader must learn to separate themselves from the government at all times.

Ang sabi ng diyos ibigay mo ang para sa diyos at ibigay mo ang para sa tao. Kailangan magawan mo ng paraan para masiyahan ang bawat isa. Hindi lang ito para sa mga tumatayong "leader" o pangulo. Ito ay para sa lahat. Hindi ba sinabi ng Diyos na hindi humihigit ang alaga kumpara sa nagtuturo. Katatapos lang ang mahal na araw ah. Nakalimot ka na ata.

rascal101 · « **Reply #2123 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 11:45 AM »

Quote from: dpogs on Mar 16, 2016 at 09:28 PM

Are you talking about Roman Catholics?

"Opium" din sa mayaman ang pera nila gaya ng "opium" din ng mga nagmamarunong ang alam nila. Kung tutuusin "opium" iyung ipinamamalas nating kagalingan sapagkat ito ang paraan natin para maipakita na maipakita sa ibang tao na magaling tayo o kayang kaya natin gawin mga bagay bagay na parang napakadali.

Iyung mga naka "opium" ay "high na high" na parang ang taas taas na nila. Kapag masaya ka ganito pakiramdam. Ang tanong ngayon mali ba ang makaramdam ng kasiyahan? Bakit ba natin ipinapalabas na masama ang maging masaya kung wala naman ginagawang kalokohan? Inggit lang siguro.

dpogs · « **Reply #2124 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 04:23 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Mar 29, 2016 at 11:39 AM

Ang sabi ng diyos ibigay mo ang para sa diyos at ibigay mo ang para sa tao. Kailangan magawan mo ng paraan para masiyahan ang bawat isa. Hindi lang ito para sa mga tumatayong "leader" o pangulo. Ito ay para sa lahat. Hindi ba sinabi ng Diyos na hindi humihigit ang alaga kumpara sa nagtuturo. Katatapos lang ang mahal na araw ah. Nakalimot ka na ata.

I believe in the separation of church and government.

rascal101 · « **Reply #2125 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 06:22 PM »

^Ang sabi mo noong nakaraan ay

"specially church leader must learn to separate themselves from the government at all times"

Samakatuwid ang pinapahiwatig nito ay para lang ito sa mga namumuno. Paano iyung mga pangkaraniwang pari?

dpogs · « **Reply #2126 on:** Mar 29, 2016 at 11:02 PM »

Quote from: rascal101 on Mar 29, 2016 at 06:22 PM

^Ang sabi mo noong nakaraan ay

"specially church leader must learn to separate themselves from the government at all times"

Samakatuwid ang pinapahiwatig nito ay para lang ito sa mga namumuno. Paano iyung mga pangkaraniwang pari?

There is no such "ordinary priest", kahit sinong pari/pastor/ministro/papa ng maliit na kapilya o ng malalaking church they are all church leader.

Pero kung sasagutin ko tanong mo, even ordinary priest they must separate themselves from politics or affairs of the state/government.

oweidah · « **Reply #2127 on:** Apr 04, 2016 at 05:25 PM »

asaraan din kaya dito katulad ng nba thread?

ignore!

dpogs · « **Reply #2128 on:** Apr 04, 2016 at 06:57 PM »

Quote from: ojofool on Apr 04, 2016 at 06:39 PM

for someone posting sa religion thread tsktsk
ignore pa more!

Dito ako mag reply. Pangit haluan ng usapang religion ang sports.

Wala naman sigurong mali or di naman kasalanan na sabihin kong "walang kwentang team ang Lakers" or "curry is not the best player for me"

Magtaka ka kung ang nagpopost dito or iyong mga nagsasabing may faith sila eh nakikipagpustahan doon mismo sa thread ng NBA.

Na miss mo ko sa usaping politics noh... Religion at nba mo ko nahanap

tony · « **Reply #2129 on:** Apr 04, 2016 at 08:17 PM »