Topic: The Religion Thread

[bumblebee]

^E, di yes. Ikaw, pano kung hindi galing sa kanya?

[dpogs]

^E, di yes. Ikaw, pano kung hindi galing sa kanya?

Please backread, i already answer that... Or you may ask me "What if Jesus is not God" kung laging "what if" ang basehan ng inyong faith. You can also ask me "What if Jesus is not real?" maraming what if na tanong... Sabi mo nga eh di yes lang ng yes...


Jesus is the way to salvation, why Roman Catholics requires the protestants to undergo Catholic Confiation for them to go to heaven?

Parang Iglesia ni cristo na nagsasabing kapag di kaanib ng Iglesia di ka maliligtas.

[tony]

i am a catholic and the way this Pope is, he is for inclusion of everybody, boy, girl, bakla, tomboy, katoliko, protestante or iba pang religion, who cares? as long as their souls are saved....

the exclusivity doctrine that used be, is now no more, Lolo Kiko stands for this...

and so my question is still, what if Christ tells you, what bible?

the answer is here, in this thread, you just do not know how to read between the lines...

[dpogs]

Since mahilig ka sa what if na tanong:

What if Jesus told you that the Bible is His very own Word, and told you that all Catholic doctrines are not His teachings and not in the Bible? Ano naman sasabihin mo?

the exclusivity doctrine that used be, is now no more, Lolo Kiko stands for this..

But the link you posted says otherwise...

[tony]

you give too much importance on anything you read.....
look instead at what is actually happening, open your eyes,
now is not the time to argue, now is the time to save souls...

[dpogs]

you give too much importance on anything you read.....
look instead at what is actually happening, open your eyes,
now is not the time to argue, now is the time to save souls...

Yup. And those protestant was required to undergo Catholic Confirmation to save their souls.

[tony]

^so what if Jesus came back and ask you, what confirmation? why are making a big deal out of it...

[dpogs]

^so what if Jesus came back and ask you, what confirmation? why are making a big deal out of it...

What if na naman You bases your faith on a what if scenario?

What if Jesus came back and told you that the Catholic teachings is not from God? What if Jesus told us that what I am talking is right?


Why making a big deal out of it? If you know the meaning of

now is the time to save souls...

Or if you can define "save souls" then you should know why it is a big deal for me.

[tony]

kaya nga eh....paano na?

[dpogs]

kaya nga eh....paano na?

What if Jesus came and told you that what i am saying is right?

[dpogs]

now is the time to save souls...

Do you know the meaning of "save souls"?

Or can you please show me how to save souls?

[tony]

cherry picking dyan kayo magaling....

[dpogs]

cherry picking dyan kayo magaling....

First, a brainwashed ngayon naman cherry picking Stop attacking the poster lets have a conversation.

You said that it is time to save souls. How will you save souls?

[dpogs]

Please dont change topic, if you dont know the answer, i will respect you for that and it wont in anyway affect your belief.

[tony]

applies to you as well...i am amazed at how long it took you to catch on......

[dpogs]

applies to you as well...

okay then...

You said that it is time to save souls. How will you save souls?

[tony]

ayan na naman...cherry picking na naman...

[dpogs]

Just let me know if you can answer or not. If you don't know the answer I respect that. You keep on saying things but when ask how will you do it, you accuse me of cherry picking.

Pabago bago kasi ang doctrine ng Catholic. Baka kasi nagbago na naman. Since you mention that we need to start saving souls, naintriga ako... How a catholic like you will save soul? Is it the same 200-300 years ago on how Catholic came here to Philippines to save souls?

[tony]

where did i say i am going to save souls?
you are again putting words in my mouth...that is no good..
your comprehension of the english language is suspect...
if you can not comprehend my post, that is fine,
 just don't argue with this idiot...

[dpogs]

now is not the time to argue, now is the time to save souls...

A brainwashed, cherry picker and an idiot... Is that how you addressed people who have different faith than you?


You mentioned "now is the time to save soul" sorry i am an idiot, can you please explain what do you mean of "now is the time to save soul"... Pagkakaintindi ko kasi is let us not argue instead let us save soul.

Kaya I ask you, how will you save souls? Or to be specific how Roman Catholic address their members' need of salvation? Siguro naman masasagot mo na. Is it the same 200-300 years ago when Catholics came here in Philippines.

Please update me, pabago bago kasi doctine ng Roman Catholic. If you search the net, catholic website states that seven sacraments must be fulfilled para makapasok sa langit. Kasali sa seven sacrament ang Confirmation pero sabi mo di naman ito importante.

[barrister]

Sa tingin ko sir Tony, kung Catholic ka, dapat mag focus ka sa Catholic doctrine, re: the sources of spiritual truth. 

Catholics believe that the bible is the inspired word of God.  Kaya hindi mo puwedeng sabihin na "paano kung itanggi ni Kristo ang bibliya."

Ano nga ba ang Catholic doctrine tungkol dito?

Catholics believe that the bible alone is not the sole source of spiritual truth.  They believe that the sources of spritual truth are both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. In other words, both the bible and apostolic tradition. 

What is apostolic tradition?  It refers to the teachings of the apostles which were handed down by way of apostolic succession to the bishops as successors of Peter.

Catechism:http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a2.htm

Therefore, this is the source of your disagreement:  One believes in Sola Scriptura (scripture alone); the other believes in Scripture + Tradition.

Hindi niya rin puwedeng sabihin sa Katoliko na "saan mababasa sa bibliya ang ganon o ganito," kasi hindi nga naniniwala ang Katoliko sa Sola Scriptura.

[tigkal]

Kung tingnan mo ang bigger picture and history sa bible, Ang RC ang nag compile sa bible as we know it now. sila nag decide kung ano ipasok sa bible at ano ang hindi sama. So sa palagay ko kaya nila masabi na bible + traditions. Ibig sabihin yung hindi nila pinasok sa bible ay tradition. Yung ibang religion naman sumunod lang sa compiled bible ng RC. As to sino ang tama, hindi natin malaman.

At kung meron aliens dadating and explain lahat na nasa bible including the miracles, dito makita yung fanatics na hindi talaga magbago isip kahit na with evidence.

[tony]

@barister, thank your for the welcome relief, i am what you may call a free thinking catholic,
the p{Pope ask the church to embrace everybody, yes even atheists...
dpogs simply do not get what i am driving at....dogmas and doctrines do not hold much water to me...
i am living in a real world, so no fantasies for me works...

my impression of religious establishments, money making ventures, and with money comes power...

[dpogs]

@barister, thank your for the welcome relief, i am what you may call a free thinking catholic,
the p{Pope ask the church to embrace everybody, yes even atheists...
dpogs simply do not get what i am driving at....dogmas and doctrines do not hold much water to me...
i am living in a real world, so no fantasies for me works...

my impression of religious establishments, money making ventures, and with money comes power...

okay then...

can you now explain what you mean of "now is the time to save souls."

[tony]

okay then...

can you now explain what you mean of "now is the time to save souls."

read the entire post....it is all there, if you do not get it, i can not help you...

[dpogs]

Sa tingin ko sir Tony, kung Catholic ka, dapat mag focus ka sa Catholic doctrine, re: the sources of spiritual truth. 

Catholics believe that the bible is the inspired word of God.  Kaya hindi mo puwedeng sabihin na "paano kung itanggi ni Kristo ang bibliya."

Ano nga ba ang Catholic doctrine tungkol dito?

Catholics believe that the bible alone is not the sole source of spiritual truth.  They believe that the sources of spritual truth are both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. In other words, both the bible and apostolic tradition. 

What is apostolic tradition?  It refers to the teachings of the apostles which were handed down by way of apostolic succession to the bishops as successors of Peter.

Catechism:http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a2.htm

Therefore, this is the source of your disagreement:  One believes in Sola Scriptura (scripture alone); the other believes in Scripture + Tradition.

Hindi niya rin puwedeng sabihin sa Katoliko na "saan mababasa sa bibliya ang ganon o ganito," kasi hindi nga naniniwala ang Katoliko sa Sola Scriptura.

Jesus came to this world to free us from our tradition.

[tony]

who is to say things can never happen?

[tony]

Jesus came to this world to free us from our tradition.

o yes, Jesus freed us from paying ikapu....

[nspinner06]

Jesus taught us to love one another.

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[tony]

Jesus taught us to love one another.

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yes, to me this is the single greatest lesson of all, all the others are mere icing on the cake...

kaya nga with all this "pagalingan sa debate" between  religions, i can not help but think,
what if Jesus came back and tell those religious leaders, "you have not delivered my message" why did you prioritize enriching yourselves with worldly goods and ammssed power? what have you done to my flock?