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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #300 on: Jan 31, 2013 at 05:43 PM »
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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #301 on: Feb 01, 2013 at 02:17 PM »
Cardinal in Los Angeles Is Removed From Duties

Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, who retired less than two years ago as the leader of the nation’s largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, was removed from all public duties by his successor, Archbishop José H. Gomez, as the church complied with a court order to release thousands of pages of internal documents that show how the cardinal shielded priests who sexually abused children.

The documents, released as part of a record $660 million settlement in 2007 with the victims of abuse, are the strongest evidence so far that top officials for years purposely tried to conceal abuse from law enforcement officials. The files, which go from the 1940s to the present, are the latest in a series of revelations that suggest that the church continued to maneuver against law enforcement even after the extent of the abuse crisis emerged.

Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Curry, who was the vicar for clergy and one of the cardinal’s top deputies and his adviser on sexual abuse, also stepped down as the regional bishop for Santa Barbara, Calif.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/01/us/cardinal-in-los-angeles-is-removed-from-duties.html?_r=0

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #302 on: Feb 02, 2013 at 01:16 PM »
Files Show Church Missteps, Evasions With Priests

By MICHAEL R. BLOOD and CHRISTINA HOAG Associated Press
LOS ANGELES February 2, 2013 (AP)
The Archdiocese of Los Angeles released 12,000 pages of personnel files on sexually abusive priests that Archbishop Jose Gomez described as "brutal and painful reading." While many of the names of the abusers and accusations against them were known, the files reveal previously undisclosed details of how the church transferred priests out of state, sent them to therapists who wouldn't report crimes and suppressed information from reaching the public. Lawyers for the archdiocese and priests who objected to the records being released did not return phone calls or an email seeking comment.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/files-show-church-missteps-evasions-priests-18383277

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #303 on: Feb 03, 2013 at 10:22 PM »
Sex crime records involving Pinoy priests released

By Steve Angeles, ABS-CBN North America Bureau
Posted at 02/02/2013 1:31 PM | Updated as of 02/02/2013 1:31 PM

New details about church officials’ cover-up of alleged sex crimes involving Filipino priests have emerged after the Los Angeles Archdiocese’ released their records.

Files from the 1980s case involving a group of Filipino priests who reportedly raped and impregnated a then 16 year-old Rita Milla showed conversations among Filipino priest Santiago Tamayo and former cardinal Roger Mahoney and Monsignor Thomas Curry.

The church officials talked to Tamayo about staying out of the United States, according to records released.

Tamayo reportedly returned to the Philippines to avoid investigation.

A paternity test eventually confirmed that one of the priests implicated in the case, Valentin Tugade, is the father of the victim’s child.

Milla eventually won a half a million-dollar settlement with the archdiocese.

The files also revealed that another victim came forward to say that she has been abused by Tamayo; as well as letters from Tamayo to Mahoney, denying that he encouraged the victim to get an abortion.

Since the release of the documents, current Los Angeles archbishop Jose Gomez has announced that Mahoney will no longer have administrative or public duties, and Curry will resign as auxiliary bishop of Santa Barbara, California.

Tamayo and another priest Angel Cruces have since passed away in the Philippines.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/02/02/13/sex-crime-records-involving-pinoy-priests-released

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #304 on: Feb 05, 2013 at 04:52 PM »
San Juan Nepomuceno de Malibay parish priest Tony Navarete says that a motel's ad "is inviting people to commit something bad or immoral"

Is this billboard immoral?



Story at http://ph.she.yahoo.com/is-this-billboard-immoral-124200382.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #305 on: Feb 05, 2013 at 09:01 PM »
Perhaps in some people's points of view. But if you're consenting adults, it's your business.

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #306 on: Feb 13, 2013 at 10:03 AM »
The central figure is Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, whom the pope instructed in July 2009 to clean up at the Vatican administration. The overzealous lawyer imposed cutbacks in various areas, including construction contracts, real estate and management of the Vatican Gardens. In a letter to Bertone, he wrote that he had turned a Vatican budget deficit of €7.8 million ($9.8 million) into a surplus of €34.5 million within a year by putting an end to old boys' networks that "always awarded contracts to the same companies" -- at double the prices customarily paid outside the Vatican. Viganò made himself unpopular with his fight against waste and abuse of office.

He was maneuvered out of his position after only 27 months and, since October, he has been the Vatican's ambassador to the United States in Washington, far away from the Vatican. He has perceived his transfer as a punishment. In a letter of protest to the pope, he painted a blunt picture of the Curia: "The realm is fragmented into many small feudal states, with everyone fighting against everyone else." The conditions, he wrote, are "disastrous" and, even worse, are "well-known" to the entire Curia.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/pope-benedict-focuses-on-legacy-while-ignoring-vatican-power-struggle-a-838830-2.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #307 on: Feb 13, 2013 at 01:34 PM »
San Juan Nepomuceno de Malibay parish priest Tony Navarete says that a motel's ad "is inviting people to commit something bad or immoral"

Is this billboard immoral?



Story at http://ph.she.yahoo.com/is-this-billboard-immoral-124200382.html

It's not immoral.  But why are the hands of the two guys touching each other?
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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #308 on: Feb 13, 2013 at 01:36 PM »
The Question: Is the Church Above The Law?

Answer: If the Church you are referring to is the Catholic Church, then the answer is no.  That's because the Catholic Church thinks it is the law itself and the priests and bishops are the law enforcers.
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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #309 on: Feb 23, 2013 at 09:20 AM »
7:21 PM, February 22, 2013

Reports: Investigation that found gay sex, blackmail and corruption at Vatican led to Pope's resignation


http://www.freep.com/article/20130222/NEWS05/130222103/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resignation-Vatican-gay-sex-scandal
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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #310 on: Feb 23, 2013 at 03:13 PM »
20 March 2012 Last updated at 23:01 GMT

Dutch Roman Catholic church 'castrated' boys in 1950s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17453849

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #311 on: Feb 26, 2013 at 08:57 PM »
iamhe comments:

It must have been a terrible burden on clergy to preach homosexuality was an abomination, while so many of them were secretly -and practicing-  homosexual


Cardinal O'Brien gay sex scandal: this was a hit job that succeeded beyond the plotters' wildest dreams
By Damian Thompson Religion Last updated: February 26th, 2013

The Cardinal Keith O'Brien Downfall video had been ready to run for ages. The story of three priests and one ex-priest complaining of inappropriate behaviour was timed to break when the Scottish prelate retired at 75 next month. The aim was to expose his alleged hypocrisy.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100204332/cardinal-obrien-gay-sex-scandal-this-was-a-hit-job-that-succeeded-beyond-the-plotters-wildest-dreams/

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #312 on: Mar 05, 2013 at 11:17 PM »
Cardinal Keith O'Brien admits and apologises for sexual misconduct

Cardinal Keith O'Brien, who was forced to resign by the pope last week, has made a dramatic admission that he was guilty of sexual misconduct throughout his career in the Roman Catholic church.

In a short but far-reaching statement issued late on Sunday, the 74-year-old stated that "there have been times that my sexual conduct has fallen below the standards expected of me as a priest, archbishop and cardinal".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/03/cardinal-keith-obrien-admits-sexual-misconduct

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #313 on: Mar 06, 2013 at 06:20 PM »
Vatican objects to the Fighting Violence Against Women UN act.

Because they don't like the sound of "religion" and "culture" should NOT be an excuse to justify beating your wife. Apparently, the Vatican wants to keep it legal for beating your wife for dressing slutty or for throwing acid on your daughter's face if she gets pregnant out of wedlock or stoning to death a rape victim.

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« Reply #314 on: Mar 11, 2013 at 01:04 PM »
Only two papal candidates 'clean' of sex abuse scandals, says victims group

A clergy abuse victims group has named cardinals from Austria and the Philippines as the only papal contenders untainted by sex abuse scandals.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9917261/Only-two-papal-candidates-clean-of-sex-abuse-scandals-says-victims-group.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #315 on: Mar 11, 2013 at 09:39 PM »
HOWEVER, Cardinal Tagle says he is against legal action on offending priests.

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #317 on: Mar 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM »
Jesus put church in hands of erring humans, not angels, says cardinal

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- If Jesus had wanted a church free of scandal or problems, he would have put it in the hands of angels, not a humanity he loved, said Nigeria's newest cardinal elector.

"If you say the church needs to reform and improve, it would be the first to admit it, because the church has never reached the end of its journey; the church is always under reform," Cardinal John Olorunfemi Onaiyekan of Abuja, Nigeria, told Catholic News Service.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1301038.htm

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #318 on: Mar 13, 2013 at 01:50 PM »
menon nang Team Tatay!, Team PEDO kaya ang susunod?

L.A. archdiocese to pay $10M in priest abuse cases
Michael Winter, USA TODAY9:37p.m. EDT March 12, 2013
Ex-priest, later convicted, had confessed to Cardinal Mahony in 1986 to abusing boys.

L.A. archdiocese to pay $10M in priest abuse cases

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles has agreed to pay four men almost $10 million to settle allegations of sexual abuse by a former priest who more than a quarter century ago had confessed to molesting children, attorneys said Tuesday.

Two brothers will receive $4 million each, and the other two men will get nearly $1 million apiece, said John Manly, a plaintiff's attorney.

The settlement is the first since the Catholic Church released thousands of internal records detailing the actions of the defrocked priest, Michael Baker, and how church officials responded. Baker was convicted in 2007 of child molestation and paroled in 2011.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/12/los-angeles-archdiocese-priest-abuse-settlement/1983345/

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #319 on: Mar 13, 2013 at 01:59 PM »
Another Team Tatay entry...

Woman abused by Pinoy priests pins hope on new Pope

By Steve Angeles ABS-CBN North America Bureau
Posted at 03/13/2013 10:35 AM | Updated as of 03/13/2013 10:35 AM


CARSON, California - Growing up, Rita Milla described herself as a loner, with plans to enter the convent and become a nun. But as a 16-year-old parishioner at Saint Philomena Church in Carson, California, she was the center of a clergy sex abuse scandal, eventually dubbed "Snow White and the Seven Priests" in the 1980's.

Seven Filipino priests, led by Father Santiago Tamayo, sexually abused her. She became pregnant and bore the child of one of the priests, Father Valentine Tugade.

Milla went through years of therapy, became a medical assistant, and won a half million dollar settlement in 2007.

She raised her daughter Jackie, which DNA tests confirmed was fathered by Tugade.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/03/13/13/woman-abused-pinoy-priests-pins-hope-new-pope

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #320 on: Mar 13, 2013 at 03:15 PM »
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"If you say the church needs to reform and improve, it would be the first to admit it, because the church has never reached the end of its journey; the church is always under reform,"

Unfortunately, most of the time the response is to go even MORE conservative.

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« Reply #321 on: Mar 13, 2013 at 09:33 PM »
HOWEVER, Cardinal Tagle says he is against legal action on offending priests.

Cardinal Chito Tagle who, in an interview in December 2012, was quoted as saying that exposing the
victim and abuser through the media and seeking legal action against the abuser only “add to the pain.”

What is lacking in that statement?

Only the fact that, for many victims, seeking redress through the
media is their last resort in the face of institutional stonewalling
by the Church—from its impregnable silence about the corruption in its
ranks, to payments of hush money wrapped in lawyer-constructed quit
claims, to protecting and reassigning erring priests and bishops away
from the reach of civil and criminal authorities.

Elsewhere in the world, exposing wrongdoing is the preferred way of
redressing the wrong; in the Church, it is looking away and walking
on—but first making sure that victims remained in the shadows.
Here is what the next pope, whoever he will be, will have to contend
with: an arrogant and exclusionary Church that seems to have forgotten
the simplicity of the Beatitudes, the humanism and generosity at the
heart of the Gospels, the radical compassion of Jesus’ teachings.
The next pope may want to pay particular attention to “the only
Catholic nation in Asia,” where bishops have no qualms in labelling
candidates they disagree with as virtual endorsers of murder (“Team
Patay”), but who, when asked to account for wayward priests under
their watch who’ve wantonly broken the vow of celibacy (“Team Tatay”),
play victim by decrying the questions as a “smut campaign.”

http://opinion.inquirer.net/48695/fresh-start-2#ixzz2NPOuuYXJ

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #322 on: Mar 18, 2013 at 02:10 PM »
South Africa cardinal says pedophilia not a crime

Reuters
Posted at 03/17/2013 10:25 AM | Updated as of 03/17/2013 10:25 AM


JOHANNESBURG - A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.

Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.

"From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a criminal condition, it's an illness," he said.

Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.

"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/03/17/13/south-africa-cardinal-says-pedophilia-not-crime

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #323 on: Mar 18, 2013 at 03:59 PM »
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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #324 on: Mar 18, 2013 at 05:21 PM »
He is TECHNICALLY correct. Pedophilia is not a crime. HOWEVER, he lost me when he says that pedophiles who molest children have no criminal responsibility. That's just stupid.

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #325 on: Apr 08, 2013 at 03:53 PM »
Priests Watch DVD Screeners While Pirates Download Filth in the Vatican

April 7, 2013

While Thou Shalt Not Steal is one of the best known ten commandments, there is no directive ordering Thou Shalt Not Copy. This glaring loophole in God’s law, which runs contrary to established entertainment industry doctrine, apparently allows priests to watch pirated Oscar review copies of major movies without concern. Meanwhile, over in the Vatican, pirates are having the time of their lives downloading some quite eye-watering media.

http://torrentfreak.com/priests-watch-dvd-screeners-while-pirates-download-filth-in-the-vatican-130407/

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #326 on: Jun 02, 2013 at 09:31 PM »
Revealing book on Catholic Church to be launched
May 31, 2013 8:08pm

The book "Altar of Secrets: Sex, Money and Politics in the Philippine Catholic Church" will be launched on June 7, 2013 at 6 pm at Fully Booked in The Fort.

Written by journalist Aries Rufo, it is the first of its kind in the country. It shows a Church cloaked in secrecy and portrays an institution where accountability is weak.

The book also delves into the influence of the Catholic Church on the shaping of government policy.

Rufo has covered the Church extensively as a reporter for The Manila Times and Newsbreak.

The book is published by the Journalism for Nation Building Foundation.



http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/310931/cbb/revealing-book-on-catholic-church-to-be-launched
 
 

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« Reply #328 on: Jun 06, 2013 at 08:01 PM »
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/30756-altar-of-secrets-crisostomo-yalung

The fall of the rising star
BY ARIES RUFO
POSTED ON 06/06/2013 1:44 PM  | UPDATED 06/06/2013 6:08 PM

MANILA, Philippines – This is the second in a series of excerpts from the upcoming
book Altar of Secrets: Sex, Money, and Politics in the Philippine Catholic Church by veteran journalist Aries C. Rufo that Rappler is running this week. The book will be launched on Friday, June 7, at The Forum, FullyBooked at The Fort, Bonifacio Global City, Taguig, Metro Manila. Launch price is at P400; regular price at P450.

* * *

They had many things in common: both were protégés of Manila Cardinal Jaime Sin; both were former auxiliary bishops of Manila; both at one time worked and taught at the San Carlos Seminary — Bishop Teodoro Bacani as former dean and professor of theology and Bishop Crisostomo Yalung as former rector.

Both were also forced to resign after committing indiscretions involving the opposite sex.

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« Reply #329 on: Jun 19, 2013 at 06:41 PM »