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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #330 on: Jun 21, 2013 at 01:10 PM »
BUHAIN: I KEPT QUIET FOR THE GOOD OF THE CHURCH

Former auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Manila Teodoro Buhain Jr. says he “kept quiet for the good of the Church” after he was accused of sexual indiscretion and financial irregularities.
Before he resigned in 2003, he was accused of fathering a child and failing to account for the million-peso donations to Radio Veritas, which he managed.
Buhain says he wanted to face the charges, but then Cardinal Sin asked him to keep quiet to prevent adding to the controversy caused by two other bishops -- Crisostomo Yalung and Teodoro Bacani.

TEODORO BUHAIN JR., FORMER AUXILIARY BISHOP, ARCHDIOCESE OF MANILA: At the beginning -- and Cardinal Sin knew this -- I wanted a formal investigation...I opted for formal investigation and to initiate that I asked, in writing, for a list of faults, charges so that I know what not to do and so also I could improve. No answer. Then came...Cardinal Sin called for me, and he says, you know what has been happening, I know you have always been a man of obedience. So I'm asking you to please keep quiet for the good of the Church.

This is the first time Buhain spoke of what Cardinal Sin told him.
When asked why the charges were thrown at him, Buhain alludes to Church politics.

MARIA RESSA:
How political is the Catholic Church?
TEODORO BUHAIN JR: Let me put it this way. For me I'm convinced as long as there are 3 persons, there will be politics…Somebody, a fellow cleric wrote a cardinal and mentioned these points about Radio Veritas and so forth...But then came this special assembly of the priests. It was officially in connection with Yalung and Bishop Bacani, but somebody had warned me, I think it was the same cleric who wrote the letter, that I would be the next.

http://www.rappler.com/video/newscast/31787-rappler-newscast-june-20,-2013
http://www.rappler.com/video/talkthursday/31710-talkthursday-with-bishop-buhain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xo9pNEzHCt4

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #331 on: Jun 28, 2013 at 09:29 PM »
Monsignor Nunzio Scarano held in Vatican bank inquiry

A senior Italian cleric has been arrested in connection with an inquiry into a Vatican bank scandal over allegations of corruption and fraud.

Monsignor Nunzio Scarano works in the Vatican's financial administration. A secret service agent and a financial broker have also been arrested.

They are suspected of trying to move 20m euros (£17m) illegally into Italy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23094320

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #332 on: Jun 29, 2013 at 01:03 AM »
Girl Slaves of Catholic Magdalene Asylums to Receive Compensation, but Not from the Church
June 27, 2013 By Terry Firma

Twenty years ago, shock washed over Ireland. After the Catholic Church sold a parcel of a North Dublin convent’s grounds to a commercial developer, and the construction dig began, 155 bodies were discovered in unmarked graves. The place had been a Magdalene asylum for “wayward girls.” Apparently, inmates who met an early end had been buried in secret — many without a death certificate, without notification of parents or other family, and all without the dignity of even the simplest grave marker.

Initially conceived as rehabilitation centers for prostitutes, the Magdalene asylums — also known as the Magdalene Laundries for the “women’s work” slave labor expected of the residents — eventually grew into houses of horror. The girls, some not even teens, were forced to work seven days a week without pay. The short-term treatment intended by the founders eventually gave way to long-term incarceration. Though conditions varied from one asylum to the next, a strict code of silence was in place for most of the day throughout the Magdalene system. Long prayer sessions were mandatory.

Worse, for over a hundred years, beatings and sexual abuse are thought to have been endemic.

And you didn’t have to be a sex worker to “qualify” to be saved by God’s representatives on Earth. By the 1870s, asylum candidates

    … extended beyond prostitutes to unmarried mothers, mentally retarded women and abused girls. Even young girls who were considered too promiscuous and flirtatious, or too beautiful, were sent to an asylum by their families.

Others reportedly ended up in a Magdalene asylum for being “slow learners.” They might never receive a lick of non-religious education again. The nuns were known to forge “school reports” and send those to the girls’ relatives, to conceal that their charges had been turned into slave laborers.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/06/27/girl-slaves-of-catholic-magdalene-asylums-to-receive-compensation-but-not-from-the-church/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/05/ireland-magdalene-laundry-system-apology

2002 Movie about the Magdalene Asylums
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318411/

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #333 on: Jun 30, 2013 at 01:16 PM »
Disgraced Priest: Underage Prostitution Ring is Operating Within the Vatican

Italian investigators have opened an inquiry into claims by a convicted paedophile priest that an underage prostitution ring has been operating inside the Holy Roman Church with clergymen hiring rentboys for sex inside churches.

Don Patrizio Poggi, 46, told Italian authorities that a former Carabinieri pimped boys for nine clergymen.

Poggi, who served a five-year sentence for abusing teenage boys while he was a parish priest at the San Filippo Neri church in Rome, said he made the allegations to “protect the Holy Church and the Christian community.”

The boys were chosen because they were starving and desperate, he claimed, according to Il Messaggero newspaper.

The former policeman used to recruit the boys, mostly eastern European immigrants, outside a gay bar named Twink near Rome’s Termini train station. He reportedly sat in his Fiat Panda – marked “Emergency Blood” to avoid parking fines – to make his selection.

He was helped in the recruitment process by a friend who ran a modelling agency. He lured underage boys into prostitution through “false work offers for modelling and acting roles”, Poggi said.

The agent also looked for rentboys at gay discos, saunas and gyms across Rome. An accountant was also said to be involved.

The boys were paid €150-€500 (£130-£425) to perform sex acts in church premises across the capital.

Poggi also accused the former Carabinieri of selling consecrated hosts for satanic rites.

Poggi reportedly presented documentary and photographic evidence to police in the company of two senior Vatican clergymen who vouched for his credibility.

Poggi identified the nine clergymen, including two senior church officials and a religion lecturer. Three people have been placed under formal investigation.

The allegations were rejected by the Vatican. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, head of the Catholic Vicariate of Rome, said the priest made false claims out of a desire for vengeance and personal resentment.

The Vatican refused to reinstate Poggi after he served his term.

“The cardinal expresses his full confidence in the magistracy and declares himself full convinced that this slander will be demolished, demonstrating Poggi’s claims to be untrue,” Vallini said.

“God will hold everyone accountable for their deeds.”

http://deadstate.org/disgraced-priest-underage-prostitution-ring-is-operating-within-the-vatican/

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #334 on: Jul 01, 2013 at 10:46 PM »
So a committed relationship between same sex couple is an "intrinsic" evil while these acts are not?

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #335 on: Jul 05, 2013 at 11:26 AM »
Monsignor Nunzio Scarano held in Vatican bank inquiry

A senior Italian cleric has been arrested in connection with an inquiry into a Vatican bank scandal over allegations of corruption and fraud.

Monsignor Nunzio Scarano works in the Vatican's financial administration. A secret service agent and a financial broker have also been arrested.

They are suspected of trying to move 20m euros (£17m) illegally into Italy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23094320

Check this out. I think this is the same person

A look at the arrested Vatican monsignor's lush life

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/07/05/13/look-arrested-vatican-monsignors-lush-life

I wouldn't be surprised if they'll discover another priest with a collection of boys in the closet.  >:D
« Last Edit: Jul 05, 2013 at 11:28 AM by krets pulpol »
what?! are you talkin' to me!!!

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #336 on: Jul 06, 2013 at 08:58 PM »
New Documents Prove Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan Shielded Pedophile Priests



We may now know why the Vatican didn’t choose Cardinal Timothy Dolan to be the new Pope. According to hundreds of documents released on Monday by order of the judge presiding over the bankruptcy of the Milwaukee archdiocese, conservative Catholic Cardinal Dolan shielded pedophile priests even as he investigated charges leveled against other priests by victims.

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/02/anti-gay-anti-choice-catholic-cardinal-timothy-dolan-shielded-pedophile-priests/#ixzz2YGmKkj4h


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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #337 on: Jul 09, 2013 at 01:03 PM »
Is religious fundamentalism a mental illness?

Don't look now, but religious fundamentalists and those whose ideological beliefs border on the extreme and may be potentially harmful to society could soon be called crazy—in a medical sense.
 
Oxford University neurologist Kathleen Taylor said such "radicalizing ideologies" could be viewed as a mental disorder instead of personal choice.
 
"One of the surprises may be to see people with certain beliefs as people who can be treated. Someone who has for example become radicalized to a cult ideology -- we might stop seeing that as a personal choice that they have chosen as a result of pure free will and may start treating it as some kind of mental disturbance," she told The Times of London, according to Digital Journal.

Beyond religion
 
Taylor said the term "fundamentalist" could go beyond religion and could even include beliefs such as it is acceptable to beat one's children.
 
Such beliefs "are very harmful but are not normally categorized as mental illness," she said.
 
On the other hand, Digital Journal cited a Huffington Post report where Taylor warned about possible moral-ethical complications.
 
Taylor, in her book "The Brain Supremacy," stressed the need "to be careful" when developing technologies that can directly manipulate the brain.
 
She argued that technologies that profoundly change our relationship with the world around us "cannot simply be tools, to be used for good or evil, if they alter our basic perception of what good and evil are."
 
Taylor also warned against taking "fundamentalism" to mean radical Islamism.
 
'Us vs Them'
 
Digital Journal said some analysts are convinced neuroscientists may adopt a parochial and counterproductive approach if they insist on identifying particular belief systems characteristic of ideological opponents as a subject for therapeutic manipulation.
 
Also, it noted the potential of religious beliefs, political convictions, and even nationalist fervor could be powerful platforms for "Us vs Them" paranoid delusional fantasies.
 
Such fantasies could result in a devastating a 9/11-type attack or a Hiroshima/Nagasaki "orgy of mass destruction," it said.
 
"What we perceive from our perspective as our legitimate self-defensive reaction to the psychosis of the enemy, is from the perspective of the same enemy our equally malignant psychotic self-obsession," it added.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/316471/scitech/science/is-religious-fundamentalism-a-mental-illness

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #338 on: Jul 15, 2013 at 01:08 PM »
Malolos bishop, itinangging mga paring Katoliko ang tumanggap ng allowance mula sa prov'l govt

Nilinaw ni Malolos Bishop Jose Francisco Oliveros na hindi paring Katoliko ang mga sangkot sa napaulat na pagtanggap ng honoraria mula sa pamahalaang panlalawigan ng Bulacan bilang mga consultant.

Ito ang reaksyon ng Diocese of Malolos sa mga naglabasang ulat sa ilang pahayagan noong nakalipas na linggo kung saan natuklasan ng Commission on Audit (COA) na kumuha ng sobra-sobrang casual employees, job orders at consultants ang provincial government.

Batay pa sa report, kabilang sa mga consultant na kinuha ay ang obispo ng Malolos at mga pari ng Bulacan na tumatanggap ng P9,000 hanggang P22,500 kada buwan.

Kasalukuyang nasa Roma si Bishop Oliveros ngunit sa isang pahayag, sinabi nitong hindi siya ang obispong tinutukoy sa report at wala rin siyang nalalaman na paring Katoliko sa Bulacan na nagtatrabaho para sa kapitolyo.

"Sana po ay hindi kayo maapektuhan ng mga balitang ito dahil ito ay hindi totoo. Hindi po paring Katoliko ang tinutukoy sa report at sadyang layunin lang ng iba na manira," sabi naman ni Rev. Msgr. Pablo Legaspi Jr, rektor ng Basilica Minore at Katedral ng Malolos.

http://dzmm.abs-cbnnews.com/news/Region/Malolos_bishop,_itinangging_mga_paring_Katoliko_ang_tumanggap_ng_allowance_mula_sa_prov%27l_govt.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #339 on: Aug 25, 2013 at 08:56 PM »
Pope Criminalizes the Reporting of Sex Crimes



Few eyebrows were raised last week when Pope Francis brought the Vatican’s legal system up to date by criminalizing leaks of official information and formalizing laws against sex crimes. But now that the laws have been made public, a closer look revealed that the pope has made it illegal to report sex crimes against children.

According to the new laws, revealing or receiving confidential Vatican information is now punishable by up to two years in prison, while newly defined sex crimes against children carry a sentence of up to twelve years. Because all sex crimes are kept confidential, there is no longer a legal way for Vatican officials to report sex crimes.

“We didn’t mean for this to happen, obviously,” lamented Vatican foreign minister Monsignor Dominique Mamberti. “It’s quite the papal pickle that His Holiness has placed upon our heads. Sex crimes are more illegal than ever, but technically it’s illegal to report them.” Mamberti said that the simultaneous passing of each law is merely a coincidence and insisted that the Church is not trying to protect itself against further embarrassment, but critics outside the Vatican are skeptical.

“They know exactly what they’re doing,” claims Fabrizio Perona of Italy’s La Repubblica newspaper.

“They just thought nobody would notice. The Church wants to impress the world by getting tough on sex crimes, but they criminalized leaks, which is the only way anybody would ever discover their crimes. It’s genius, if you stop and think about it.”

Mamberti says plans are already being made to eliminate the loophole, but change often comes slowly to antiquated Vatican law, which is based on the 1889 Italian code. “We’re not going to let a dangerous law like this stand, but people need to understand that this is the Vatican, and there is a process here. Voting, incense, prayer. We ask the minors at risk to please be patient with us.”

Fortunately, only clergy and lay people who live and work in Vatican City are subject to the new legislation, which differs from the canon law governing the universal Catholic Church.

As the Holy See moves to clarify the law, Mamberti has warned would-be offenders within Vatican walls that they “are still subject to the most watchful eye of all: the eye of God. His judgment is greater than—oh, who am I kidding? For now, there is nothing we can do.”

http://www.newslo.com/pope-criminalizes-the-reporting-of-sex-crimes/#sthash.zJqni7Xe.iaKCs2nE.dpuf

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #340 on: Sep 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM »
Pope Francis: Gays, Abortion Too Much Of Catholic Church's Obsession

Pope Francis faulted the Roman Catholic church for focusing too much on gays, abortion and contraception, saying the church has become "obsessed" with those issues to the detriment of its larger mission to be "home for all," according to an extensive new interview published Thursday.

The church can share its views on homosexuality, abortion and other issues, but should not "interfere spiritually" with the lives of gays and lesbians, the pope added in the interview, which was published in La Civilta Cattolica, a Rome-based Jesuit journal.

“We have to find a new balance, otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel," Francis said in the interview.

"The church has sometimes locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules,' Francis said. "The people of God want pastors, not clergy acting like bureaucrats or government officials."

The 12,000-word interview ranges widely, touching upon the pope's personal faith, the role of women and nuns in the church, Latin Mass and even the pope's favorite artists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/pope-francis-gay_n_3954776.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #341 on: Sep 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM »
So a committed relationship between same sex couple is an "intrinsic" evil while these acts are not?
  who said they were not?

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #342 on: Dec 25, 2013 at 02:41 PM »
Something worth learning and sharing. It's about a recent development in Utah.

"What irks Mormons, evangelicals, and any religious group seeking to force their dogmata and beliefs on the people is that despite their machinations, the bible is not, and never will be, the Constitution and America’s justice system is not about to let it be."

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/24/religious-conservatives-thrown-frenzied-panic-court-impose-biblical-law.html


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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #344 on: Jan 22, 2014 at 09:44 AM »
Chicago archdiocese releases documents detailing sexual abuse by priests

The Archdiocese of Chicago took steps to conceal sexual abuse by serial abusers, promoted and moved priests with multiple accusations against them and had victims making the allegations investigated, archdiocese documents released Tuesday reveal.

http://www.suntimes.com/25091013-761/archdiocese-releases-documents-detailing-sexual-abuse-by-priests.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #345 on: Jan 25, 2014 at 05:00 PM »
this blast from the past...


Philippines telcos sue church ISP for fraud
Friday 31 May 2002 10:30

Telecommunication companies are poised to take the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) to court for large scale fraud following the failure of its Church-run Internet service provider, CBCPNet.

The 500m peso (£6.8m) class suit against the influential bishops' group is being brought by a group of CBCPNet suppliers and creditors, including the Philippine Communication Satellite Corporation (Philcomsat), Bayantel, and the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company (PLDT).


http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240045910/Philippines-telcos-sue-church-ISP-for-fraud

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« Reply #346 on: Jan 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM »
Lawsuit: 'Tag team' of former priest, ex-scout leader molested kids

Two days after a trove of confidential church documents was released detailing decades of clergy sex abuse, one of the 30 former priests whose sordid history is among the files now faces new allegations.

A lawsuit filed Thursday in Cook County Court alleges Norbert Maday molested three boys as part of a “tag team” with a scout leader who volunteered under the priest’s supervision.

The men who brought the legal action also accuse the Archdiocese of Chicago of failing to protect them more than 40 years ago during the abuse.

The unnamed plaintiffs, all in their 50s, said the legal action was sparked after media accounts in recent years revealed the church’s troubled past of responding to pedophile priests.

Maday is accused in the lawsuit of inappropriately touching all three boys in separate acts from 1967 to 1973 while he was at St. Leo Catholic Church in Chicago and, later, at St Louis de Montfort in Oak Lawn.

Two of the men said they also were fondled by Thomas Hacker, a former Boy Scout leader and volunteer at the Oak Lawn church in the early 1970s, who often accompanied them on parish retreats.

In an interview at his lawyer's office, a 52-year-old south suburban man identified as John Doe 3 said Maday seemed to target boys like him at St. Louis de Montfort, who were being raised by single mothers.

The man told the Tribune he was inappropriately touched by both Maday and Hacker as a preteen during car rides, gym class and parish outings. He said he eventually told his mother, who confronted the parish school principal, but Maday remained in ministry.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-23/news/chi-lawsuit-tag-team-of-former-priest-exscout-leader-molested-kids-20140123_1_ex-scout-leader-former-priest-thomas-hacker

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #347 on: Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM »
Here's a column about priest child abuse/rape.

I have to say, I've always wondered how many women and children were raped/abused by Catholic priests here in the Philippines. We almost NEVER hear news about that because Pinoys are quite religious and hold their priests in very high regard so they generally go unchallenged.
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« Reply #348 on: Feb 22, 2014 at 03:16 PM »
Here's a column about priest child abuse/rape.

I have to say, I've always wondered how many women and children were raped/abused by Catholic priests here in the Philippines. We almost NEVER hear news about that because Pinoys are quite religious and hold their priests in very high regard so they generally go unchallenged.

Don't forget about the presence of these deeply conservative praise-and-worship Catholic groups who believe their faith rules above everyone.

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« Reply #349 on: Feb 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM »
Exemption of priests from number coding sought

MANILA, Philippines - Priests, too, are on call.

And with this nature of their job, an official of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) pushed to exempt priests from the number coding scheme.

Fr. Edu Gariguez, executive secretary of the CBCP National Secretariat for Social Action, said they should be granted exemption from the scheme because priests need mobility – especially with the anticipated heavy traffic in the major roads in Metro Manila due to the Skyway 3 extension project.

“We need total mobility that’s why if possible we want to be exempted from coding because the work of a priest doesn’t have a fixed time,” he said.

Gariguez lamented their duties to administer last rites for dying persons are usually jeopardized by immobility caused by the traffic-coding scheme.

“For example, there is a sick call, somebody died or somebody is in a life and death situation... we priests need to be there right away to cater to their pastoral needs,” he said.

The Skyway 3 will connect the North Luzon (NLEX) and South Luzon Expressways (SLEX) with an elevated expressway over Osmeña Highway, linking it with Quirino Avenue in Manila.

“If there’s traffic, our ability to give pastoral ministry will suffer,” Gariguez said.

He said the Mass for weddings or even for funerals may also be delayed if the officiating priest is caught in traffic.

“There will be no problem if the priest is just from the area but if the priest is from elsewhere that might pose a problem,” Gariguez said.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/02/24/14/exemption-priests-number-coding-sought

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #350 on: Feb 24, 2014 at 09:29 PM »
bigyan ng bike mga idiotng yan. kapal ng mukha.

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #351 on: Feb 24, 2014 at 10:06 PM »
bigyan ng bike mga idiotng yan. kapal ng mukha.

Baka hingan ka ng donation ng big bike.

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #352 on: Feb 24, 2014 at 10:28 PM »
Baka hingan ka ng donation ng big bike.

let me rephrase then. bigyan ng pedicab ang mga yan. LOL

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« Reply #353 on: Feb 25, 2014 at 12:37 AM »
let me rephrase then. bigyan ng pedicab ang mga yan. LOL

Paano kung stainless pedicab ang ipa-donate sa iyo? :D

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #354 on: Mar 29, 2014 at 03:06 PM »
8 Reasons Why the CBCP’s Anti-Vaccination Article Is Mind-Blowingly Irresponsible
http://8list.ph/cbcp-the-truth-about-vaccines/

CBCP’s Anti-Vaccination Article
http://www.cbcpnews.com/cbcpnews/?p=32904

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #355 on: Mar 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM »
Christians, You’re Not Victims

From what I read and hear, conservative evangelical Christians are feeling victimized by developments in American culture and in the ways they are being treated under new anti-discrimination laws. In ever greater numbers, they are appealing to the courts to grant them “relief” from regulations that they feel violates their freedom of religion.  “Religious liberty” has become the rallying cry for a legal “remedy” to the violation of what they see as their freedom to practice their religion.

It is understandable that religious conservatives would feel uncomfortable and unsettled by recent developments in the church and in the culture. But are they victims? Is there, as many would claim, a “war on religion?”

This is especially obvious in the changing understanding about homosexuality. In ever-greater numbers, and across every religious and cultural demographic, acceptance of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people is increasing. In American religious communities, across every denominational demographic, support for equal rights for LGBT people, and particularly support for marriage equality for gay couples, is on the rise. In most denominations, that rise has resulted in majority support even when the denominational hierarchy disagrees.

Why have we seen such a sea change? Twenty years ago, most Americans would have told you they didn’t know anyone who was gay. They may have been suspicious about certain family members or co-workers, but it was not something openly talked about or acknowledged. Now, is there anyone left in America who does not know some family member, former classmate, neighbor, or co-worker to be gay?

And the result of knowing someone gay is that most people are now unwilling to believe or accept all the negative things said about us. The sky has not fallen, nor have church roofs caved in, just because gay marriage is legal in 17 states, plus the District of Columbia. Life goes on pretty much as normal, and in fact, people are seeing that marriage equality strengthens the institution of marriage, rather than undermining it.

For those religious conservatives who see something sinister and immoral in gay and lesbian couples having the right to marry, it must feel as if the moral universe has gone awry. The reaction to this development has engendered a fear that cultural morality is veering out of control. Nothing is as it should be. And it must feel to them that if such a proposition as marriage equality for gay and lesbian couples is accepted, nothing will now stop the world from careening out of moral control. That would be a pretty scary place for a religious person to live.

Then, as if to confirm their worst fears, photographers are being compelled to offer their services for gay couples’ weddings (New Mexico), bakers are being made to provide wedding cakes for gay wedding receptions (Colorado), and florists must provide flower arrangements to beautify gay wedding celebrations (Washington). It is important to point out that this is only true for weddings in states where a non-discrimination law is in effect to protect against discrimination based on sexual orientation—which, by the way, is only in 21 of the 50 states.

Appeals to the courts are being made for “relief” for this violation of the service providers’ “freedom of religion” and “religious liberty,” claiming that forced compliance with such anti-discrimination laws is a violation of the providers’ free practice of their religion. Indeed, the language used in defiance of these anti-discrimination laws takes on the language of victimization. These providers feel as though they are victims of discrimination themselves based on their religious beliefs.

But I have to ask: are religious conservatives confusing the pain of finding oneself “suddenly” in the minority with actually being a victim? Both feel uncomfortable, even painful, and are fraught with anxiety. But they’re very different.

Here’s what victimization looks like: every day, especially in some places, LGBT people face the real possibility of violence because of their orientation or gender identity. Young people jump off bridges or hang themselves on playground swing sets because of the bullying and discrimination they face. In 29 states, one can be fired from one’s job simply for being gay, with no recourse to the courts. In most places, we cannot legally marry the one we love. Some of us have been kicked out of the house when we come out to our parents, and many young LGBT people find themselves homeless and on the streets because of the attitudes of their religious parents toward their LGBT children. And did I mention the everyday threat of violence?

Compare that to the very painful realization that one’s view of something like homosexuality is in the minority after countless centuries of being in the majority. It may feel like victimization to hang a shingle out to sell something or provide some service to the public, only to find that the “public” includes people one disagrees with or finds immoral in some way. It may feel like it has happened practically overnight, when it has actually been changing over a period of decades. Being pressed to conform to such a change in majority opinion must feel like victimization. But as a society, we would do well to distinguish between real victimization and the also-very-real discouragement felt by those who now find themselves in the minority.

I do not mean to brush aside as inconsequential the feelings of those who find themselves in the minority, whether it be around the topic of gender, race, or sexual orientation. But I do mean to question characterizing such feelings as discrimination, violation of religious freedom, and victimization. It’s time we called out our religious brothers and sisters for misunderstanding their recently-acquired status as members of a shrinking minority as victims.

http://news.yahoo.com/christians-not-victims-040000977--politics.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #356 on: Mar 31, 2014 at 01:16 PM »
Bakita kaya sa middle east countries where majority are muslims, parang walang news re LGBT?

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #357 on: Apr 11, 2014 at 12:15 AM »
Ayúdanos a difundir esta noticia. Según la Iglesia Católica: "Las felaciones no son pecado si se hacen pensando en Jesús".


(Translated by Bing)
Help us spread this news. According to the Catholic Church: "fellatio are not sin if they are thinking of Jesus".


http://www.ecorepublicano.es/2014/04/segun-la-iglesia-catolica-las.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #358 on: Apr 15, 2014 at 02:58 PM »
Newark Archbishop's Pricey Pad Causes Controversy



A half-million dollar renovation to the "weekend" home of the Archbishop of Newark has sparked a major controversy, raising questions about how money donated by church members is being used.

An online petition created by a D.C.-based website, Faithful America, has received more than 23,000 signatures to stop the renovation process, claiming that Archbishop John J. Myers does not need a 7,500-square-foot home for when he retires.

“The house will become the retirement residence when he retires in two year,” Jim Goodness, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Newark, told ABC News. “There is an additional suite being added for guests and office space, as well as a whirlpool and an exercise pool being added for therapeutic use, because he has some health issues. This would be beneficial for him in retirement.”

There will also be an elevator and three gas fireplaces added, Goodness said.

Protesters say the additions are unnecessary and lavish, and have contrasted Myers' lifestyle to that of Pope Francis, who lives in a small apartment in Rome with other priests.

Faithful America could not be reached by ABC News for additional comment. But the Rev. John Bambrick, pastor of a parish in Jackson Township, part of the Diocese of Trenton, said the lavish spending reflected poorly on the church and highlights the contrast between Myers and Pope Francis.

“I think it makes people question where their donations are going," Bambrick told ABC News today. “It's embarrassing to the church and the clergy and it’s an insult to the people and God."

“Most of the congregation when they hear about it they just think it is outrageous. They think they should sell it," Bambrick said.

“It’s really astounding given the fact that the pope teaches the bishops to live simply,” Bambrick added, noting that Pope Francis has admonished priests "don’t buy fancy cars and live simply.”

But Goodness said the $500,000 addition to the home in Clinton Township, in Hunterdon County, N.J., is necessary. “He will just not stop having responsibilities for the diocese anymore [after retirement]. We need to have an office space for him,” Goodness said.

“The way the house is being used now, he is never out there alone,” Goodness explained. “There are always other people with him. We are expecting that to continue to happen.”

“He [the Archbishop] envisions that there will be other guests or church members [who visit], so he wants to give them more privacy," Goodness said.

Goodness explained to ABC News that protesters are mistaken about how the renovation is being funded.

“The expansion and reservation is expected to cost $500,000. Some of that is being funded through donations that have been given to the church specifically for the renovation,” Goodness said. “The rest of it is coming from the sale of residential property in Connecticut that is owned by the archdiocese that we won’t need anymore. So we are actually consolidating residential properties.”

Goodness said the Faithful America petition is not representative of New Jersey Catholics and that the organization itself is a non-Catholic group that often challenges the church on a range of issues.

“A significant number of these names are not even people from New Jersey and a very large number from New Jersey are not even a part of the archdiocese. It is not a representative of the people in New Jersey," Goodness said.

But the Rev. Bambrick disagreed.

“You want people to give to the poor and support charitable works of the church and building a mansion is not a great inspiration," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/newark-archbishops-pricey-pad-causes-controversy-224831502--abc-news-topstories.html

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Re: Is the Church Above The Law? Church Double Standards
« Reply #359 on: May 23, 2014 at 11:06 PM »

Bishops defend priest for accepting donations from Napoles

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Those are donations, walang masamang tinapay diyan. And the name Napoles before was a good name,” added the prelate.