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wengkapre · « **Reply #1110 on:** Aug 29, 2012 at 10:56 AM »

talo nga bgk sa trade na yan if ever matuloy

A veteran point guard na kayang mag triple-double & a defensive player, lugi

♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ · « **Reply #1111 on:** Aug 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM »

Quote from: -sniper- on Aug 29, 2012 at 09:53 AM

http://www.pbaddicts.net/t22775-aguilar-globalport-bound-kings-prepare-package-for-casio

cortez and willy wilson for casio? for me, not fair. casio cannot fill up the void that will be left by cortez and w. wilson.

NO WAY!!!

Kung si Gary David pa yan pwede pa

But seriously, Casio alone doesn't equate to Cortez + W. Wilson. I agree that this isn't an equal trade.

***Pero syempre may mga magsasabi nanaman na majority of SMC trades are in favor sa kanila

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1112 on:** Aug 29, 2012 at 02:05 PM »

Quote from: -sniper- on Aug 29, 2012 at 09:53 AM

http://www.pbaddicts.net/t22775-aguilar-globalport-bound-kings-prepare-package-for-casio

cortez and willy wilson for casio? for me, not fair. casio cannot fill up the void that will be left by cortez and w. wilson.

Beg to differ bro ...... but if ever this deal pushes through, it confirms that Mikee Romero's SMC ties are alive and well (following in the footstep$$$ of Bert Lina & George Chua).

If it materializes, the trade is lopsided in favor of SMC (as usual) ..... my two-cents on this:

** Even after his rookie season, JV Casio can already be considered among the top PG's in the league ..... very instrumental in POWERADE's success last season.

JV Casio is a franchise PG now ..... and will remain that way for a good part of this decade (barring further injuries).

** Both Mike Cortez and W.Wilson are still serviceable ...... but age and injuries are slowly creeping up on them - both 32 years old already.

Cortez nowadays seems to play well, only in spurts ...... he has slowed down.

Willy Wilson meanwhile is a great asset to any team ...... however, part of the reason that the crowds notice Wilson (aside from his instant impact), is that he only plays reliever minutes.

Wilson was never one to play regularly heavy minutes ..... a player best served as the 6th-8th man off the bench.

BGK can more than afford to trade away Willy Wilson ...... they have many prime scoring, defending forwards in their lineup e.g. Dylan Ababou, Allein Maliksi, Elmer Espiritu & recent draftees Ellis & Jensen.

They even traded away Canaleta & John Wilson because of their logjam at the forward slots.

** Salaries ..... a facet of lopsided trades which the entire PBA seems to ignore.

Mike Cortez just recently signed a max contract with BGK for P350k/month (P350k is the previous max contract allowed by the PBA) ...... Willy Wilson is on-board for around P300k/month ..... that's a combined P650k/month.

JV Casio meanwhile is still on his rookie contract ...... which will pay him just P225k/month.

So, if the trade pushes through ...... Mikee Romero's GLOBAL PORT will not only lose the best player in the trade - they will also add ~P400k to their monthly operating cost. ..... doesn't sound fair to me.

The NBA requires that player trades should have salaries come within 80% of each other ..... just to help ensure trade fairness ...... How come the PBA doesn't have at least a semblance of something like this?

boredfilmmaker · « **Reply #1113 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM »

rumors have been circulating since the end of the Jones Cup that LA Tenorio will be traded by Alaska because he doesn't want to heed Alaska's request for him to stop playing for Gilas.. the past 2 days, I've been reading that Tenorio has indeed been traded to one of the SMC teams in a 3-team trade involving Ginebra, San Mig Coffee (dating B-Meg) and Global Batang Pier.. Casio and Barroca are likely going to be involved as well..

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1114 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02 PM »

I feel for both Tenorio & Uytengsu's ALASKA on this one ...... Tenorio is definitely on a high after that big Jones Cup win.

ALASKA meanwhile is aching to bounce back this season, after it's poor showing last year ...... they've always been supportive of past National Teams, but is hesitant to lend players in next month's Japan tourney - which will already coincide with the new PBA season.

Add to the fact that the SMC elite teams wont lend any of their top players ...... you can see where Uytengsu's point of contention is.

In anycase, if Tenorio does get traded ..... it wouldn't be because of Tenorio's wish to compete in Japan - it would be because Tenorio or his backers chose to go public with the difference in opinion.

Uytengsu's principles are so straight, the guy has shown through the years, that he won't hesitate to trade players, if they malign the company in any way ..... just a few conferences ago, Devance (an MVP candidate at the time) was traded away, just because he publicly said that he wants more pay - despite already receiving the PBA max contract.

Let's see how the drama unfolds.

ivannn · « **Reply #1115 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:04 PM »

Quote from: boredfilmmaker on Aug 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM

rumors have been circulating since the end of the Jones Cup that LA Tenorio will be traded by Alaska because he doesn't want to heed Alaska's request for him to stop playing for Gilas.. the past 2 days, I've been reading that Tenorio has indeed been traded to one of the SMC teams in a 3-team trade involving Ginebra, San Mig Coffee (dating B-Meg) and Global Batang Pier.. Casio and Barroca are likely going to be involved as well..

naku po. sana wag siya magpa trade or ma trade. sayang kasi siya ang face ng alaska eh.

boredfilmmaker · « **Reply #1116 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:11 PM »

Quote from: ivannn on Aug 30, 2012 at 01:04 PM

naku po. sana wag siya magpa trade or ma trade. sayang kasi siya ang face ng alaska eh.

it's done na daw. papunta na kay Salud yung papers. Petron pala and not Ginebra or San Mig Coffee ang kasali.
LA, Thiele and Wesley Gonzales are out of Alaska tapos papalit sina JV Casio, Dondon Hontiveros at 2013 2nd rd pick. Not sure kung si LA mapupunta sa Petron or Global.

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1117 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:13 PM »

No confirmation yet .....

ALASKA trades Tenorio, Thiele & Wesley G. ....... gets Casio, Hontiveros & future pick. Other details to follow.

Good stuff for ALASKA ...... basically trading one top PG for another top PG.

They also finally, get that legit SG to backup/tandem with Baguio.

wengkapre · « **Reply #1118 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:29 PM »

Quote

MANILA, Philippines – Alaska Aces point guard LA Tenorio, the hero of Smart Gilas Pilipinas' recent campaign in the William Jones Cup, will reportedly be traded.

According to a source with knowledge of the situation, Tenorio is reportedly headed to a franchise belonging to the San Miguel Corporation.

The source speculates that the three-time PBA All-Star will eventually land at perennial fan favorites Barangay Ginebra Gin Kings.

Alaska head coach Luigi Trillo declined to comment on the situation.

Tenorio led Gilas to the championship in the 34th Jones Cup last weekend, scoring 20 points including the game-winning jumper in the final game against the United States.

The former Ateneo standout was drafted by the San Miguel Beermen with the fourth over-all pick in 2006.

He was eventually traded to Alaska in 2008 and led the Aces to the title in the 2010 Philippine Cup, where he won co-Finals MVP honors with Cyrus Baguio. – With a report from Boyet Sison, ANC.

nakakalito

-sniper- · « **Reply #1119 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:34 PM »

to further add to the confusion...

http://www.pbaddicts.net/t22800-ginebra-sweetens-pot-in-bid-to-acquire-casio

boredfilmmaker · « **Reply #1120 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:37 PM »

if the current reports are true, parang deja vu lang for Tenorio and Cortez.. Tenorio is headed daw to Ginebra. Global trades Casio to Ginebra for Cortez and Enrico V. Ginebra then trades Casio to Alaska for Tenorio.

ivannn · « **Reply #1121 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:48 PM »

if Casio ends up in BGK, ipapahiram ba siya for the National Team?

will SMC players be loaned to the National Team for the upcoming Fiba Asia?

-sniper- · « **Reply #1122 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:50 PM »

personally, i'd pick casio over tenorio.

the rumor mill seems to lead tenorio to ginebra. there are also reports that SanMig Coffee Mixers signed another point guard -- Cris Pacana for one year.

rukawakaide1721 · « **Reply #1123 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:51 PM »

wag ka malito...

ganito yun...ang original na nag draft...kay LA ay san miguel beermen (Magnolia) kasi nga pamalit kay olsen racela pag nagretiro na...kaya lang hindi nag work out ei...kaya na trade siya....sa Alaska...

Quote from: wengkapre on Aug 30, 2012 at 01:29 PM

nakakalito

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1124 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:55 PM »

Quote from: ivannn on Aug 30, 2012 at 01:48 PM

if Casio ends up in BGK, ipapahiram ba siya for the National Team?

will SMC players be loaned to the National Team for the upcoming Fiba Asia?

I don't think that Casio will be moved by ALASKA ...... Tenorio will likely end up with BGK, then we'll probably see Cortez & Villanueva end up with GLOBAL PORT.

The question now is ....... will SMC lend Tenorio to GILAS 2.0?

I think yes, since Tenorio's contract allows him to play for GILAS ...... also, the public backlash will be bad, if SMC doesn't allow the Jones Cup hero to play.

ivannn · « **Reply #1125 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 01:58 PM »

Quote from: newwaveboy on Aug 30, 2012 at 01:55 PM

I don't think that Casio will be moved by ALASKA ...... Tenorio will likely end up with BGK, then we'll probably see Cortez & Villanueva end up with GLOBAL PORT.

The question now is ....... will SMC lend Tenorio to GILAS 2.0?

I think yes, since Tenorio's contract allows him to play for GILAS ...... also, the public backlash will be bad, if SMC doesn't allow the Jones Cup hero to play.

yun nga eh. kasi SMC has a history of not lending players to MVP Backed teams eh. sana they unite for flag and country.

wengkapre · « **Reply #1126 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 02:11 PM »

Quote from: ivannn on Aug 30, 2012 at 01:58 PM

kasi SMC has a history of not lending players to MVP Backed teams eh. sana they unite for flag and country.

pinahiram ng smc si E. Villanueva sir

wengkapre · « **Reply #1127 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 02:15 PM »

mukhang hinuhugot ni T. Cone mga reliable players nya

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1128 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 02:19 PM »

Quote from: wengkapre on Aug 30, 2012 at 02:11 PM

pinahiram ng smc si E. Villanueva sir

Villanueva was the lone exception ...... not to belittle Enrico, but he was only allowed by SMC since he's now far from his once dominant form.

Chot Reyes invited top guns James Yap, Lutz, Lassiter, Santos, etc. but these guys were not allowed by SMC top management.

wengkapre · « **Reply #1129 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 02:23 PM »

Quote from: newwaveboy on Aug 30, 2012 at 02:19 PM

Villanueva was the lone exception ...... not to belittle Enrico, but he was only allowed by SMC since he's now far from his once dominant form.

Chot Reyes invited top guns James Yap, Lutz, Lassiter, Santos, etc. but these guys were not allowed by SMC top management.

bakit naman ang damot ng smc sa team gilas

Hitman · « **Reply #1130 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 02:26 PM »

Gilas=MVP

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1131 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 02:36 PM »

^^ Like I said earlier bro ...... corporate politics / business competition keeps SMC from lending it's players to the MVP-backed GILAS.

When GILAS was first conceptualized, Noli Eala was picked by MVP to be the top honcho ....... However, a falling out occurred after some GILAS 1.0 players and naturalization candidates, complained about delayed salaries ..... also, some funds were apparently missing from the GILAS budget.

MVP's other guys e.g. Frankie Lim all ganged-up on Eala ...... soon afterwards, Eala was rightfully fired.

A few days later, rival SMC hired Eala to lead it's basketball operations.

Noli "Loverboy" Eala has an axe to grind with the MVP camp

ivannn · « **Reply #1132 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 03:22 PM »

Quote from: wengkapre on Aug 30, 2012 at 02:23 PM

bakit naman ang damot ng smc sa team gilas

even MC47 was invited by Chot. i remember before that there was an article wherein Chot identified specific players from all the teams in the pba to be part of the training pool. sayang kasi if nag give way lahat ng teams and buong puso participation eh very competitive tayo.

jhelenz · « **Reply #1133 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 07:59 PM »

hmmm,biglang laki ng market value ni tenorio ngayun after his heroics in fiba,i was hoping cone could persuade him to move to san mig coffee since under tim cone naman talaga lumabas ang galing nya sa pba.saka importante sa triangle ni tim yung madiskarteng point guard not necessarily a great scorer.with j yap as a shooting guard tenorio will just pick his time to contribute during the game.i remembered nag shine talaga sya ng husto nung kakampi nya si miller and devance sa aces nun,nung pumalit si baguio and jr reyes(who are very inconsistent) medyo nag suffer yung game ni la because napilitan sya maging scorer and a facilitator at the same time.

jhelenz · « **Reply #1134 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 08:07 PM »

after posting my reply above i found this article which said that la will be traded to san mig coffee

http://mb.com.ph/articles/371632/tenorio-trade-to-bmeg-eyed.
how i wish this is true

wengkapre · « **Reply #1135 on:** Aug 31, 2012 at 05:54 AM »

proposed deal 1 or 2?

Aces to send Tenorio to Ginebra in proposed three-team deal

ALASKA Milk point guard LA Tenorio is headed to Ginebra San Miguel under a proposed three-team deal also involving PBA newcomer Global Port that will have JV Casio taking Tenorio's place with the Aces.

The complicated deal has already been approved on Thursday by Alaska, which is also set to get Ginebra's second-round pick in 2015 as part of the proposed Tenorio-Casio swap.

However, the trade is dependent on another transaction between Ginebra and Global Port over Casio, the top pick overall in last year's rookie draft.

According to sources, Ginebra and Batang Pier officials are deep in negotiations trying to hammer out the deal at posting time.

The trade is also subject to approval of the Commissioner's Office.

As of 4 p.m., PBA media bureau chief Willy Marcial said the league has yet to receive a copy of the trade proposal.

The Tenorio deal has sparked a flurry of activities, with the Aces also sending Tenorio's former Ateneo teammate Wesley Gonzales and Hans Thiele to Petron for Dondon Hontiveros.

No matter what happens to the three-team deal, one thing certain is that Tenorio is headed to a new team, just days after playing the hero's role in Smart Gilas 2.0's conquest of the Jones Cup title.

Tenorio attended the Aces' small man practice at the Reyes gym on Thursday morning, after which he was told by coach Luigi Trillo of the proposed deal.

Follow the writer on Twitter: @richava

Source: Spin.ph

-sniper- · « **Reply #1136 on:** Aug 31, 2012 at 07:56 AM »

rumors...rumors...rumors...

ACES Will get casio and hontiveros. GP will get tenorio, thiele and gonzales. Conduit petron will get 2013 2nd round pick. then GP witll trade tenorio for BGSMs villanueva and cortez.

mikz023 · « **Reply #1137 on:** Aug 31, 2012 at 08:26 AM »

Hope this will help boost the roster of smart gilas 2.0 team in their next competition in japan. Matauhan sana ang SMC nito.

http://sports.inquirer.net/60228/aquino-could-boost-gilas-fiba-asia-bid

newwaveboy · « **Reply #1138 on:** Aug 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM »

Quote from: mikz023 on Aug 31, 2012 at 08:26 AM

Hope this will help boost the roster of smart gilas 2.0 team in their next competition in japan. Matauhan sana ang SMC nito.

http://sports.inquirer.net/60228/aquino-could-boost-gilas-fiba-asia-bid

Let's all hope it happens ..... however, even without PNOY's intervention, SMC has slowly been caving-in due to the public scrutiny (e.g. Arwind Santos publicly saying that wants to play for GILAS 2.0) ..... the backlash is only increasing after the recent GILAS 2.0 Jones Cup win.

OT: It's a bit funny to me, reading about PNOY's offer to help GILAS 2.0 recruit the best players:

PNOY says he wants to get gasoline prices down - yet his uncle controls the largest oil refining and marketing company in the country (PETRON).

PNOY says he wants justice for the people - yet his uncle, the greatest crony of the worst dictator, has yet to see even a single day in jail.

PNOY says he wants to help GILAS 2.0 - yet his uncle controls the elite teams in the PBA, the very same teams that doesn't want to lend players in the first place.

boredfilmmaker · « **Reply #1139 on:** Aug 31, 2012 at 10:31 AM »

Quote from: newwaveboy on Aug 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Let's all hope it happens ..... however, even without PNOY's intervention, SMC has slowly been caving-in due to the public scrutiny (e.g. Arwind Santos publicly saying that wants to play for GILAS 2.0) ..... the backlash is only increasing after the recent GILAS 2.0 Jones Cup win.

OT: It's a bit funny to me, reading about PNOY's offer to help GILAS 2.0 recruit the best players:

PNOY says he wants to get gasoline prices down - yet his uncle controls the largest oil refining and marketing company in the country (PETRON).

PNOY says he wants justice for the people - yet his uncle, the greatest crony of the worst dictator, has yet to see even a single day in jail.

PNOY says he wants to help GILAS 2.0 - yet his uncle controls the elite teams in the PBA, the very same teams that doesn't want to lend players in the first place.

judging by the moves of SMC these past few years, it's obvious that Danding is no longer a big part of the SMC basketball program.. Ramon Ang and Eala na talaga yan.. Danding was at least loyal to his players when he was still involved with SMC.. kaya nga if you look at the people on the bench of Petron and Ginebra, mga Danding boys yung nasa coaching staff.. but these past few years, isa-isang pinalayas ni Ang and Eala.. at least dati, when SMC traded, it was for basketball reasons.. ngayon, vendetta na yung basehan ng moves ng SMC..

take the latest Hontiveros trade.. he's being traded for Thiele and Gonzales who aren't going to play for Petron but for San Miguel in the ABL.. he's virtually being traded for nothing..