Topic: PBA Season 37

[boredfilmmaker]

this week daw sabi ni Eala.. malamang that's a big man to Ginebra.. Thoss or someone else..

[ivannn]

what if that someone else turns out to be Dorian Peña or a Mick Pennisi? hehehehe! kidding aside, hopefully its thoss.

[boredfilmmaker]

what if that someone else turns out to be Dorian Peña or a Mick Pennisi? hehehehe! kidding aside, hopefully its thoss.

Dorian is actually a possibility.. his name has been rumored as well.. malay mo mag-dilang anghel ka..

[steelcrazy]

Sayang naman kung bibitawan ng Ginebra si Mike Cortez. He is solid at point guard position para palitan sila ni Jayjay...

he's quite a big disappointment with his PBA career, he's very good in college but just cant show his stuff here in the PBA.

as for dorian pena, with his size, dpat malakas sya bumuhat sa ilalaim for put backs but may pagka soony cabatu tumira laging sablay khit malapitan.

[ivannn]

Dorian is actually a possibility.. his name has been rumored as well.. malay mo mag-dilang anghel ka..

naku po! mag dilang anghel na ako sa pagkapanalo sa lotto pero wag yung kay dorian peña to bgk. hehe!

[dyerds]

Hindi nga maco-consider na blockbuster 'to kung sakali dahil si Thoss lang naman ang major name dito, si Intal kung sakali, tapos si Dorian lang pala ang kasali. Lame trade ang mangyayari dyan.

Pero sana nga mapunta si Thoss sa Kings para magkaroon sila ng legit inside presence.

Btw, babalik pa ba si Menk. He would be a good number two center for the BGK.

[newwaveboy]

If ALASKA would indeed trade Thoss ..... they would demand value as well e.g. Villanueva and/or Intal, both still serviceable (in Intal's case, his career still has promise) having played under Banal before.

ALASKA ain't like Bert Lina's pimp teams who draft talent then quickly sell them to SMC/MVP teams.

As for BARAKO BULL entering to trades now or in the near future ...... count on it. They'll sell their current horses soon enough.

* Menk is signed for the whole of this season ..... there's been loose talk that he'll likely retire at the end of the season as well. It's likely that GINEBRA will lose Helterbrand & Menk after the season is done.

Like I said, GINEBRA is primed for the 2012 draft ...... they got their own 1st round pick PLUS the 1st round pick sold este traded by BARAKO BULL this pre-season.

The 2012 draft looks to be as top-heavy & deep as the last one ...... many quality D-LEAGUE Filam bigs plus the possibility of Slaughter, Abueva, etc.

[jhelenz]

he's quite a big disappointment with his PBA career, he's very good in college but just cant show his stuff here in the PBA.

as for dorian pena, with his size, dpat malakas sya bumuhat sa ilalaim for put backs but may pagka soony cabatu tumira laging sablay khit malapitan.

cortez is a very good player,he could've been a great pointguard today next only to alapag if not for his past injuries.tim cone even said that he could've been the next johnny a.sa sobrang bilib ni tim cone sa kanya naging first round draft pick sya and he was given the starting pointguard position sa alaska.and even now,given a playing time he can still deliver.too bad napunta sya sa team na santambak ang pointguards and shooting guards.kung napunta lang sana yan sa shopinas o sa powerade baka superstar pa din sya ngayun

[Onkyo606]

Man, Sonny Thoss' name is really present in every trade rumor I've read and heard.. it's weird because he's the only thing going right for Alaska right now.. he's their most consistent player.. pag may lumulutang pa namang pangalan na taga-Alaska, usually totoo.. when Devance was rumored to be leaving, Alaska denied but nagkatotoo rin.. same thing with Tim Cone.. ngayon si Thoss to Ginebra naman daw.. but a possible 2002 Ateneo reunion at Alaska is going to happen kung totoo man yung trade.. Tenorio, Villanueva, Gonzales, Bugia and Intal teaming up again with Joel Banal..

dapat yata yung reyes ang i trade eh

im a die hard alaska fan pero ngayon di na, mukhang pang d league na lang ang laro ng alaska eh, yung mga magagaling nila palaging trade sa wala namang syasay na player, trade si fonacier eh ang galing nun, kinuha si wesley eh sa lahatt ng team na napuntahan nya may breaks naman na bigay sa kanya pero wala talaga eh.

si sol mercado was very promising pero di pa nag laro trade na agad,

 i dont think villanueva will do anything good for alaska, di hamak namang mas magaling si thoss kay villanueva, si cyrus baguo ang galing galing dato pero bakit ngayon parang wala na din?

[jhelenz]

dapat yata yung reyes ang i trade eh

im a die hard alaska fan pero ngayon di na, mukhang pang d league na lang ang laro ng alaska eh, yung mga magagaling nila palaging trade sa wala namang syasay na player, trade si fonacier eh ang galing nun, kinuha si wesley eh sa lahatt ng team na napuntahan nya may breaks naman na bigay sa kanya pero wala talaga eh.

si sol mercado was very promising pero di pa nag laro trade na agad,

 i dont think villanueva will do anything good for alaska, di hamak namang mas magaling si thoss kay villanueva, si cyrus baguo ang galing galing dato pero bakit ngayon parang wala na din?

i think fonacier was released because of salary cap issues,just like what happened to hugnatan devance.honest kasi si uytengsu pagdating sa salary cap unlike those smc and mvp teams

[Onkyo606]

i think fonacier was released because of salary cap issues,just like what happened to hugnatan devance.honest kasi si uytengsu pagdating sa salary cap unlike those smc and mvp teams

talking about hugnatan, it think mas magaling sya kesa kaya reyes sana keep nila

kakadissapoint na talaga ang alaska

[newwaveboy]

^ ALASKA's struggling now with new coach Banal .... I dont think anybody is used to seeing ALASKA struggle.

They've maintained a good lineup - it's just the the SMC & MVP teams have taken player recruitment to a whole new stratosphere (see my earlier posts in the thread).

** Fonacier was traded, since his contract was up ..... his agent was demanding a 300k+ salary which ALASKA will not give - rightfully so, since he's good, but not good enough to warrant that kind of salary.

Besides, everyone knows that ALASKA is exteremly strict in adhering to the salary cap rules. Overpaying Fonacier will bring them near the limit.

** Trading for Wesley was definitely not that good - but it was a trade that ALASKA needed to make.

Joe Devance himself demanded to be traded - despite already receiving the max salary (350K per month) from ALASKA. Any boss will get the fits by such an attitude and such supposed league salary cap rules.

** Sol Mercado would have made a great PG for ALASKA ..... but Cone doesnt like shoot-first PG's. When the opportunity to trade for Devance was there, they grabbed it.

Worked out well too, since they won the 2010 Commisioner's Cup with Devance playing his best then.

** Cyrus Baguio has been playing injured for a few conferences now ..... he had an MCL a few months ago & recently was diagnosed with "jumpers knee". Despite the pains, he's been contributing double-figures, though not as accurate as past conferences.

Even Tenorio is playing injured as well - banged-up shooting elbow, for the past 2 conferences now.

** Trading Hugnatan was a move that ALASKA needed to do as well ..... Hugnatan is making the max salary (350k per month), among 11 other players in the whole league. Surprising fact, aint it.

ALASKA will always abide by the salary cap rules. They wont do under-the-table deals & player selling, which other teams clearly do.

[boredfilmmaker]

^I've always thought Alaska did very well when it came to trading and picking players.. but lately, their salary cap problems are their own fault.. why the hell did they waste valuable money on Eman? he hasn't helped the team in any way ever since he came on board.. they could have kept at least Hugnatan if they didn't sign Eman.. and why would you sign all the rookies you picked if you are not going to use them? Bono and Quinahan before.. that Fil-German guy 2 seasons ago.. tapos ngayon, 4 na rookies.. so far Baracael is the only one getting minutes.. si Salamat, lately lang nagamit.. they have Thiele and Bugia in their line-up pa..

[newwaveboy]

^ Eman was indeed a failed experiment, but nonetheless the prospect of having a 6-8" big was about a good free-agent gamble as there was. The guy has the worst set of hands since Jumbo Bolado (who had to resort to using his left, since his right hand was damaged goods).

ALASKA's past Finals losses to TnT (Miller choking again) & PUREFOODS (swept) really showed their lack of offensive rebounding ..... hence, Eman's signing & Burschter's drafting. Both failures, but both the type of gamble that I'd be willing to make.

Besides, SMC & MVP teams have all but cornered most of the talents, hence they'll come the point (which has been the case, the past few years now) where finding a lock free-agent will be as difficult as a visit to the dentist.

I myself, would like to see Thiele see some minutes .... however, he's down with an MCL injury as well. There's been talk he was included in the recent trade talks - however that should be shelved now, since he is injured.

Keeping Bugia really was just a move to keep Tenorio happy ..... Tenorio is married to Bugia's sister.

[Onkyo606]

sir newwave, you certainly know your PBA stuff very well, i admire your generosity in sharing pieces of infromations that I feel im knowing just now, i have been away from watching the games since Alaska lost the sthreght they used to have so im not really informed

^ ALASKA's struggling now with new coach Banal .... I dont think anybody is used to seeing ALASKA struggle.

definitely im not used to, in fatc i have a feeling banal is a fit for alaska, i recalled whne he was coaching pasig rizal pirates then, one of the stronger teams in the mba parating banderang kapos ang nangyayari, i feel he is not a good finisher.

They've maintained a good lineup - it's just the the SMC & MVP teams have taken player recruitment to a whole new stratosphere (see my earlier posts in the thread).

i dont recall them getting impressive rookies in the past 3 years or so

** Fonacier was traded, since his contract was up ..... his agent was demanding a 300k+ salary which ALASKA will not give - rightfully so, since he's good, but not good enough to warrant that kind of salary.

Besides, everyone knows that ALASKA is exteremly strict in adhering to the salary cap rules. Overpaying Fonacier will bring them near the limit.

now I know, 300K plus is huge,is jarred dillinger earning the same amount?


** Trading for Wesley was definitely not that good - but it was a trade that ALASKA needed to make.

Joe Devance himself demanded to be traded - despite already receiving the max salary (350K per month) from ALASKA. Any boss will get the fits by such an attitude and such supposed league salary cap rules.

so this guy is a swellhead? he has to go then indeed**

Sol Mercado would have made a great PG for ALASKA ..... but Cone doesnt like shoot-first PG's. When the opportunity to trade for Devance was there, they grabbed it.

he would have been huge, perhaps tim cone felt he is not easy to manage too

Worked out well too, since they won the 2010 Commisioner's Cup with Devance playing his best then.

** Cyrus Baguio has been playing injured for a few conferences now ..... he had an MCL a few months ago & recently was diagnosed with "jumpers knee". Despite the pains, he's been contributing double-figures, though not as accurate as past conferences.

now i know, i love this guy since his UST days and everytime he attacks the basket, i reacalled how lastimosa does things before, lastimosa is my idol i only got hooked wiht basketball when i saw him play, what is a jumpers knee by the way?

Even Tenorio is playing injured as well - banged-up shooting elbow, for the past 2 conferences now.

tenorio to me is the best PG i have seen as of late, i know alapg is good but i like tenorio better overall.** Trading Hugnatan was a move that ALASKA needed to do as well ..... Hugnatan is making the max salary (350k per month), among 11 other players in the whole league. Surprising fact, aint it.

350K? woow surprising indeed, he is a good palyer bvut didnt know he was getting that big, why would he suddenly banish after being released by alaska?


ALASKA will always abide by the salary cap rules. They wont do under-the-table deals & player selling, which other teams clearly do.

[Onkyo606]

^ Eman was indeed a failed experiment, but nonetheless the prospect of having a 6-8" big was about a good free-agent gamble as there was. The guy has the worst set of hands since Jumbo Bolado (who had to resort to using his left, since his right hand was damaged goods).

ALASKA's past Finals losses to TnT (Miller choking again) & PUREFOODS (swept) really showed their lack of offensive rebounding ..... hence, Eman's signing & Burschter's drafting. Both failures, but both the type of gamble that I'd be willing to make.

Besides, SMC & MVP teams have all but cornered most of the talents, hence they'll come the point (which has been the case, the past few years now) where finding a lock free-agent will be as difficult as a visit to the dentist.

I myself, would like to see Thiele see some minutes .... however, he's down with an MCL injury as well. There's been talk he was included in the recent trade talks - however that should be shelved now, since he is injured.

Keeping Bugia really was just a move to keep Tenorio happy ..... Tenorio is married to Bugia's sister.

thiele could have been really good given the oppurtunity and if not for the injury, isnt this guy is the one who looks and plays like canaleta? excting player sayang na injury pa


kung i trade pa nila si thoss ano pa mangyari sa kanila? wala ng matinong center ang alaska.

[boredfilmmaker]

these days in the PBA, you can win a championship without a legitimate center.. if Alaska trades Thoss for Villanueva and Intal, they would still be a strong team.. TnT last season almost had a grand slam without a dominant post presence.. bonus na lang ngayon ang matinong big man sa PBA..

[steelcrazy]

these days in the PBA, you can win a championship without a legitimate center.. if Alaska trades Thoss for Villanueva and Intal, they would still be a strong team.. TnT last season almost had a grand slam without a dominant post presence.. bonus na lang ngayon ang matinong big man sa PBA..

Iba na ksi style ng basketball ngaun. clearly patterned to the european style. now its more of ball movement, at puros face basket na ang atake ngaun ng mga players so those who are mobile and can dribble clearly have the advantages.
A big man who cant run the breaks will completely be useless at parating maiiwanan sa transition.
Before its usually a 2 man game. bigay sa poste and the post players powers and curls his way into the basket or invite double teams for shooters on the strong and weak side or cutters from the weak side.
masarap panoorin un mga individual talents ng players dati.
Somehow i wonder how Don Ramon Fernandez could fair with the style of basketball these days.

[newwaveboy]

^^^ Thanks for the kudos bro ....... been watching the PBA closely since the early 80's actually - was fortunate to have a family friend (former PBA governor) who supplied us with season tickets - season after season. Also have a few close friends who were members of some teams.


** Devance is indeed either being too dumb (or way too smart) ..... in certain circles, he's now being called Joe "Green Pastures" Devance.

He demanded a trade despite already receiving the league max salary - which would open a can of worms (which everyone knows anyway) about the PBA salary cap rules.

Why would someone receiving a max salary, demand to be traded? It's not as if he's being regulary benched.

** Officially, there are 15 (sorry, not 11) PBA players who are receiving the max salary of P350k per month. Surprisingly, 4 comes from ALASKA (Tenorio, Thoss, Reyes & Dela Cruz) ..... aside from the 4, two former ALASKA players also gets the max salary; Hugnatan & Devance - which fully supports owner Uytengsu's claim that they adhere to the salary rules & invites no question on their integrity.

It's also noteworthy, that no PETRON player receives the league max - despite having perennial MVP/BPC contenders Washington & Santos & Cabagnot/Hontiveros in the lineup. Reigning league MVP, Alapag wasn't in the list either.

What this clearly means, is that the SMC & MVP teams are providing "great incentives" to their players other than the basic salary - which guarantees players dont seek employment elsewhere & shun free-agency courting.

** People shouldn't be too hard on ALASKA's recent struggles ..... they're swimming upstream on an uneven playing field.
 
** Yup, Thiele is the one who looks a bit like Canaleta ..... can be a decent player - unfortunate he got the MCL recently.

[steelcrazy]

cortez is a very good player,he could've been a great pointguard today next only to alapag if not for his past injuries.tim cone even said that he could've been the next johnny a.sa sobrang bilib ni tim cone sa kanya naging first round draft pick sya and he was given the starting pointguard position sa alaska.and even now,given a playing time he can still deliver.too bad napunta sya sa team na santambak ang pointguards and shooting guards.kung napunta lang sana yan sa shopinas o sa powerade baka superstar pa din sya ngayun

I noticed after landing in the PBA, parang komang un left elbow nya, its seems it was meant for protection para hindi sya masundutan.
That concern really changes the way he plays. In the UAAP, he's very relaxed and confident with his dribble whereas here in the Big League TAKOT at ILANG.

[Onkyo606]

these days in the PBA, you can win a championship without a legitimate center.. if Alaska trades Thoss for Villanueva and Intal, they would still be a strong team.. TnT last season almost had a grand slam without a dominant post presence.. bonus na lang ngayon ang matinong big man sa PBA..

but they have ali peek who plays well underneath and complimented by the other filam right?

im good with intal because he has an outside shot and plays good one on one game pwedeng maging go to guy but villanueva? anyway baka nga makabuti kase iba na ang coach eh.

[Onkyo606]

^^^ Thanks for the kudos bro ....... been watching the PBA closely since the early 80's actually - was fortunate to have a family friend (former PBA governor) who supplied us with season tickets - season after season. Also have a few close friends who were members of some teams.


** Devance is indeed either being too dumb (or way too smart) ..... in certain circles, he's now being called Joe "Green Pastures" Devance.

He demanded a trade despite already receiving the league max salary - which would open a can of worms (which everyone knows anyway) about the PBA salary cap rules.

Why would someone receiving a max salary, demand to be traded? It's not as if he's being regulary benched.

** Officially, there are 15 (sorry, not 11) PBA players who are receiving the max salary of P350k per month. Surprisingly, 4 comes from ALASKA (Tenorio, Thoss, Reyes & Dela Cruz) ..... aside from the 4, two former ALASKA players also gets the max salary; Hugnatan & Devance - which fully supports owner Uytengsu's claim that they adhere to the salary rules & invites no question on their integrity.

It's also noteworthy, that no PETRON player receives the league max - despite having perennial MVP/BPC contenders Washington & Santos & Cabagnot/Hontiveros in the lineup. Reigning league MVP, Alapag wasn't in the list either.

What this clearly means, is that the SMC & MVP teams are providing "great incentives" to their players other than the basic salary - which guarantees players dont seek employment elsewhere & shun free-agency courting.

** People shouldn't be too hard on ALASKA's recent struggles ..... they're swimming upstream on an uneven playing field.
 
** Yup, Thiele is the one who looks a bit like Canaleta ..... can be a decent player - unfortunate he got the MCL recently.

reyes the tall guy in alaska now recieves the max salary? jeeez why would they pay him that?

about devance, i guess he will reap what he has sown, im not watching much pba but it seems he is not getting much attention in his new team b meg right? parang ang daming tao na same position sa team na yun who plays more agressively, i like pingris a lot becasue of his energy.

there was a point in time na si dela cruz grabe kahit saan bumato pumapasok pero mukhang humina na din, age catching up on him,

nawalan ako ng gana kase parang yung tnt at petron pba all star na eh wala ng balance sa line up sana na spread naman yung talent pool bukod sa nasasayang yung mga players, di rin maganda ang balanse ng team

buti na lang yung rain or shine kahit paano mataas pa din standing.

by the way what happenned to cardona parang di ko na naririnig?

[steelcrazy]

but they have ali peek who plays well underneath and complimented by the other filam right?

im good with intal because he has an outside shot and plays good one on one game pwedeng maging go to guy but villanueva? anyway baka nga makabuti kase iba na ang coach eh.

Villanueva played very well when he was with RED BULL.
Nagkaleche leche career nya moving from team to team with the SMC group. Too many talents in a team cant really maximize the potential of all its players due to lack of playing time.
I feel with more playing time, he'll get back his old confidence.
With Banal and Alaska, he just may be rejuvinated.
Also i would love to see the Blue Eagles of old playing together in the Alaska uniform with their former mentor.
It will be best for Banal to break the Alaska's current team down then build them right back with fresh players.

[boredfilmmaker]

O, si Dorian na daw ang mapupunta sa Ginebra.. pag nagkatotoo 'to, home for the aged na ang Ginebra..

[Onkyo606]

Villanueva played very well when he was with RED BULL.
Nagkaleche leche career nya moving from team to team with the SMC group. Too many talents in a team cant really maximize the potential of all its players due to lack of playing time.
I feel with more playing time, he'll get back his old confidence.
With Banal and Alaska, he just may be rejuvinated.
Also i would love to see the Blue Eagles of old playing together in the Alaska uniform with their former mentor.
It will be best for Banal to break the Alaska's current team down then build them right back with fresh players.

could be waht they needed indeed, i hope this happen as I have never been liking any team except really for alaska, the chance might give back the old playing form of villanueva though isnt it that is quite old already?

barachael is coming along well, tenorio, intal, barachael, a rejuvinated villanueva and an old form dela cruz could create havoc for the opponent i suppose

[Onkyo606]

O, si Dorian na daw ang mapupunta sa Ginebra.. pag nagkatotoo 'to, home for the aged na ang Ginebra..

di ba ang lakas nyan nung nasa mba puro dunk pa nga?

[boredfilmmaker]

di ba ang lakas nyan nung nasa mba puro dunk pa nga?

nabulok na yung pinya.. sa tagal ba naman ng panahong lumipas..

[newwaveboy]

reyes the tall guy in alaska now recieves the max salary? jeeez why would they pay him that?

about devance, i guess he will reap what he has sown, im not watching much pba but it seems he is not getting much attention in his new team b meg right? parang ang daming tao na same position sa team na yun who plays more agressively, i like pingris a lot becasue of his energy.

there was a point in time na si dela cruz grabe kahit saan bumato pumapasok pero mukhang humina na din, age catching up on him,

nawalan ako ng gana kase parang yung tnt at petron pba all star na eh wala ng balance sa line up sana na spread naman yung talent pool bukod sa nasasayang yung mga players, di rin maganda ang balanse ng team

buti na lang yung rain or shine kahit paano mataas pa din standing.

by the way what happenned to cardona parang di ko na naririnig?

** J.R. Reyes received his max contract when he was still with his previous team ..... ALASKA just absorbed it when he got traded to them.

** Early in the season, Devance was a starter ..... he's bit lost in BMEG's rotation right now - who has an overflow of quality bigs e.g. Pingris, Raymundo, Maierhoffer, Reavis, Ferriols & Gaco. Adducul was even let go, without compensation, during the pre-season.

** Yup, some wear and tear showing in Dela Cruz' game right now .... he cant knock-down those open jumpers with consistency. Hope he'll recover his game quickly.

** Cardona suffered a severe sprain during MERALCO's initial game ..... he just got back recently, and is  actually picking up his game some more. He'll be okay as the season progresses.


UPDATE: This just in ..... Noli "Pogi" Eala has apparently confirmed that the "big-trade" has been approved by all parties involved ...... final step is Salud's approval.

Like I said in an earlier post - I find it funny that Commisioner Salud has been loudly proclaiming that there are no anomalies in the PBA - yet he requires that all trades be submitted to him for review & approval.

Why review something which two teams have negotiated & already had approved themselves?

Arent trades supposed to be governed by known professional sports rules e.g. salaries must come between a certain %, tradees should be given a clean bill of health, etc

Methinks it's because Salud knows that lopsided/anomalous trades do happen ...... he's just there to "Regulate The Greed".

[Onkyo606]

i was just reminded about ferriols, this guy to was very good but have not heard from him now, nasa b meg na din pala, talagang ang daming wasted talents sa SMB teams na ito, bakit ba kase naging ganun kaya pala bwisit na bwisit ang tanduay before

i saw adducul play once forgot the team pero sa season na ito na din ng pba, mukhang di na sya makakarecover after the bout with cancer.

baka di na rin mabigyna ng enough playing time si devance nyan, mas maganda ang game attitude nila hoffer at pingris, reavis mukhang nasa downhill path ng ng karera nya.

naalala ko si juinio bigla na lang nawala ang galing pa naman nun

btw, there was a player i admire before si bruce dacia sayang at di nabigyna ng break

[newwaveboy]

^ Yup, Bruce Dacia was a great amateur player ....... I was hoping that he would make a good pro, but got lost in SANTA LUCIA's rotation. He never got a break after his short SLR stint.

Dacia is still playing in small leagues in the Visayas.

Far too many good amateur players, who didn't get a break in the PBA ...... e.g. Echano, Padaong, etc