Author Topic: Surplus amps (Read 989908 times)

akyatbundok · « **Reply #60 on:** Sep 11, 2003 at 10:51 AM »

Quote from: johnlen on Sep 09, 2003 at 03:11 PM

Someday if I have the money, I will go to pier and buy several good surplus amps just like you did. Sadly, the MX-1 purchase has put a strain on my budget : (

johnlen, i think you're already in the big league with the MX-1... while i'm still fiddling in the 100wpc integrated range, you're already in the dual mono 200wpc separates range. while i'm doing trial & error risking my 4k on a possible lemon, you went straight to The Ultimate One.

that's what i call getting it right the first time.

akonichi · « **Reply #61 on:** Sep 11, 2003 at 11:17 AM »

akyatbundok, pa-share naman kung saan sa pier matatagpuan ang mga tindahang ito ng surplus amps. after what i've read, parang hinahatak na ako ng paa ko na pumunta ng pier. please.....

akyatbundok · « **Reply #62 on:** Sep 11, 2003 at 01:02 PM »

pre lampas lang ng rotonda na malapit sa manila cathedral, katabi ng mga tindahan ng surplus tv. kahit nasa dulo ka na, lakad ka pa rin dahil meron pa rin maliliit na store na okey.

ingat lang tsong sa pagbili: everytime you buy surplus units you risk your money. kailangan lang gamitan ng matinding pagtimbang ng iyong desisyon. kahit i-test mo dun sa pier, hindi maganda ang tunog dahil sira-sira gamit nilang speakers. maririnig mo lang talaga kung maganda o pangit pag nasa bahay ka na at nakapag bayad ka na. dun sa apat na nabili ko, yung isa bumigay na ang relay switch, peborit ko pa naman tunog nun.

akonichi · « **Reply #63 on:** Sep 12, 2003 at 04:08 PM »

maraming-maraming salamat po, lalo na sa pa-alala!!!

av_phile · « **Reply #64 on:** Sep 12, 2003 at 06:52 PM »

Can anyone recommend a good reliable, honest vendor at the pier's Jap surplus stalls?

Yakuini · « **Reply #65 on:** Sep 16, 2003 at 11:52 AM »

Gud am to all.

Me nabibili po ba na Stereo amp sa Pier worth 2500? Nagpapabili kasi biyenan ko eh.

akyatbundok · « **Reply #66 on:** Sep 16, 2003 at 02:52 PM »

yup! meron doon stereo amps worth 2.5k. pero ito yung mga low-powered silver retro look na pang 70's. nag test kami nung technics sa7700 against onkyo integra and luxman pero masyadong bright ang tunog, halos walang bass. medyo madumi pa yung knobs kaya may malakas na static sound pag adjust mo ng tone control. if you can spend an extra 1k, this would be a better bet: Denon PMA-390. i've had 2 of these already.

see pictures here --> http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f6545324

this model was my very first amp, bought in japan in 1993. there's still one selling at the pier for 3.5k. the specs doesnt say much about its power at 50wpc but it can go loud & clean... 70wpc in 6ohmz, 100wpc in 4ohms. i once attached a 4ohm cerwin vega 12" passive car sub in the left channel. stupid me, i attached it in parrallel to my speakers, so the amp was probably carrying a 3ohm load all that time... a few months later the relay switch stopped working. anyway, when it was still working, it was pretty darn loud & clean. my favorite track then was the chesky drum test. you could feel the pounding of the drums in your chest. its got Denon's trademark laid back & warm sound as i realized 6yrs later when i got a Denon receiver. this model is still in production in japan as the remote-controlled pma-390IV. price & specs would put it in the same market as nad c320 or rotel 931.

be careful when buying there... make sure its not a lemon.

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #67 on:** Sep 23, 2003 at 05:25 PM »

Akyatbundok,

sir, parehas lang ba yung Sansui AU-D907X
sa AU-907X? thanks

http://www.sansui.us/images/AUD907X/aud907x_11.jpg

akyatbundok · « **Reply #68 on:** Sep 23, 2003 at 05:42 PM »

di ako sure eh, pero mukhang parehas ang loob... nakakita ka ba doon sa pier? usually sinusulat nila sa harap around 370W ang power consumption nyan, pero ang rms rating ay 160W + 160W, 8ohms.

H a n $ · « **Reply #69 on:** Sep 24, 2003 at 01:38 PM »

Akyat,

Musta pala yun Luxman mo? pier ba yun?? or from a fellow pinoydvd?

akyatbundok · « **Reply #70 on:** Sep 24, 2003 at 02:12 PM »

adriane,

yung lv-103 na nabili ko sa pier, nakatambak lang sa kuwarto... di ko pa napapaayos eh, nasira yung relay switch. sa ngayon naka standby lang siya as spare parts in case masira yung isa. may pila na nga dun eh kahit sira hehe.

yung lv-105 nabili ko yun kay isak dito sa pinoydvd, pero nakuha din niya sa pier. pareho yata tunog nila except lang yung 10'oclock volume level sa 103 ay 9'oclock ang equivalent sa 105. kung sa appearance mas malinis ang condition ng 103 esp. the tubes kitang-kita thru the glass window. sa 105 hazy yung glass so hindi makita yung tubes.

H a n $ · « **Reply #71 on:** Sep 24, 2003 at 02:17 PM »

Akyat,

Thanks ganda sigurado sound pre.. parts baka meron si Hyperaudio pre..

wakanga · « **Reply #72 on:** Sep 24, 2003 at 03:43 PM »

bro akyat, san ba parte sa pier yung mga surplus amps na mganda? sorry wala na kasi akong time scroll yung pages eh, saka dati nagpunta na ako dun nagtanong ako ng amps ang price 4000, eh ang brand new nasa 4500 na eh. tapos depende pa daw sa wattage ang price. yung pinuntahan ko is yung mga malapit sa nagbebenta ng aircon na surplus.

akyatbundok · « **Reply #73 on:** Sep 24, 2003 at 05:09 PM »

maraming aircon nasa labas yan ng mga tindahan ng tv right? sa bandang kanan... sa dulo nun mayroon gap na canteen. i think may ATM pa yata. then lampas pa nun may tindahan ulit ng mga tv. sa dulo nito may store na maraming big speakers na patong-patong. yun ang first store na may maraming amps, cd players & vhs players. then lampas pa nun may gap ulit, tapos may maliliit na stores ng tv and amps. pagtawid mo sa kabila ng street, may stores ulit ng amps, cd players & speakers.

ang price depende sa power consumption dahil di nila alam ang totoong RMS power rating, so assume na lang na pag 2-channel, power rating is a little less than half the power consumption. dats why i always go for 200W and above para at least malapit sa 100watts per channel RMS rating.

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #74 on:** Sep 25, 2003 at 01:16 AM »

akyatbundok,

sabi ko na eh, hindi siya yung AU-907 kundi AU-607. di ko lang sure kung kelan ginawa, 1976 or 1978.

http://www.sansui.us

pwede na ba yung AU-607?

thanks!

akyatbundok · « **Reply #75 on:** Sep 25, 2003 at 11:43 AM »

yan yung model na may alpha-sign before the "607F". meron din doon model na "707F". kung ako if ever i'll risk my 4k i'll risk it on a top model. pansin ko kasi naiipon ang sansui 607F doon eh.

nerveblocker · « **Reply #76 on:** Sep 25, 2003 at 04:26 PM »

I suggest that when buying stereo amps bring your speakers along so you'll have an idea how it would sound in your set up. Remember that speaker-amp matching are more important than good amp reviews. Even if an amp has good reviews, it might not sound good on the speakers that you pair it with.

In my little experience with jap surplus amplifiers, the best sounding i've heard so far are the Luxman or Alpine/Luxman amps.

Just my 2 cents.

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #77 on:** Sep 25, 2003 at 07:13 PM »

eto mga nakita ko:

Sansui AU-D607F Extra
http://www.sansui.us/images/AUD907F_Extra/aud607f_Extra_5.jpg

Sansui AU-707 1st generation (P 4,200)
http://www.sansui.us/images/AU707/au707_1.jpg
http://www.sansui.us/images/AU707/AU707_4.jpg

Sansui AU-D707X 6th generation (P 4,200)
http://www.sansui.us/images/AUD907X/aud707x_7.jpg

Sony 222ES (P 4-4.5K)

Sony 333ESXII (P 4-4.5K)

Trio KA-7300
Trio KA-8700

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #78 on:** Sep 25, 2003 at 08:20 PM »

good idea nirvblakr!

pero pag bulok rin siguro ang speaker mo (katulad ko

), eh huwag mo nalang dalhin.

mga sir, balak kong bumili ng bagong lumang amp. pinag-pipilian ko eh;

Trio KA-7300 (Left and right independence separate power source adoption 2 power transformers 4 block capacitors -Effective output 65W + 65W)
P 2,800
http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/ka-7300-h2.jpg
http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/ka-7300-in.jpg

Sansui AU-D607F Extra (circa 1981, 200+W )
P 3,000

Sansui AU-D707X (circa 1984, 200+W)
P 4,200

Denon PMA 701 (175W)
P 3,000

i'm buying the amp for my turntable setup, so i don't need digital amps. maganda yung Sansui kasi may MM or MC selector siya. maganda yung gimmick ng Trio kasi independent yung Left and Right channels, kaso nga lang ang speaker eh (off, A, B) walang (A+B).

kailangan ko tulong niyo dito. hirap na ako. hehe

akyatbundok · « **Reply #79 on:** Sep 25, 2003 at 08:49 PM »

nako hirap pumili dyan sa choices mo ser, ganyan din ako dati kaya naparami eh hehe. tama si doc nirvblakr pag may dala kang speaker mas madali ma narrow down ang choices. kung ang gagamitin mong pang demo ay yung mga refrigerator-size speakers dun, ibang-iba ang tunog.

during demo try to turn the volume & tone control knobs. if its really dirty/rusty you'll hear static in the speakers.

akyatbundok · « **Reply #80 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 11:30 AM »

Quote from: fakelondongenius on Sep 25, 2003 at 08:20 PM

i'm buying the amp for my turntable setup, so i don't need digital amps. maganda yung Sansui kasi may MM or MC selector siya. maganda yung gimmick ng Trio kasi independent yung Left and Right channels, kaso nga lang ang speaker eh (off, A, B) walang (A+B).

kung pang turntable etong onkyo 5 options sa cartridge:

characteristic nito is bright and powerful/aggressive, so it goes better with my friend's laid back wharf diamond than my bright mordaunts.

i have a sony 333ES, the sound characteristic is: tight bass & laid back treble so its a good match if your speakers are too bright.. but not a good match if you have a laid back tweeter like wharf diamond.

nerveblocker · « **Reply #81 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 11:59 AM »

Another word of advise:

Do not be deceived by looks na kung makinis eh maganda tumunog. Sometimes yung mukhang bulok eh yun pa ang maganda tumunog.

fakelondongenius- I have not auditioned the Trio that you've mentioned but I had a Denon jap surplus stereo amp before and warm and "mataba" tumunog. A very good and powerful amp.

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #82 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 01:47 PM »

akyatbundok - waahhh! lalong nadagdagan yung options ko!

nirvblakr - dalawa nalang yung malapit sa puso ko, yung Trio KA-7300 (for the dynamic crosstalk) tsaka yung Denki Onkyo (the warmth of the sun)

-salamat mga ser sa input, balitaan ko kayo kung ano nabili ko.

akyatbundok · « **Reply #83 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 02:50 PM »

hehe.. pre congrats on your would-be purchase. ingat lang sa lemon, test mo mabuti. alin nga palang turntable gamit mo, surplus din ba? interested din ako mag analog someday. if you want you can audition the surplus amps i have, meron akong 3 brands sa bahay - sony, onkyo at luxman. iba-iba ang tunog. (for reference lang ha, theyre not 4sale)

ive been looking at doc nirv's speaker gallery; its really possible to have a great sounding setup for such a small budget.

Qman · « **Reply #84 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 03:57 PM »

hey akyat diba more than 3 ang amps mo nabenta mo na ba ang iba?

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #85 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 04:01 PM »

bata pa ako nung nag start ako maging vinyl junkie, mga grade six siguro. tambayan namin ng kuya ko sa MCS and Quiapo, dun kami bumibili ng plaka.

set up namin nun eh Pioneer SA-V700 135W na amp, Kenwood GE-100IIB equalizer and Pioneer PL-512 turntable. lahat yan eh bili sa pier except our Micro Speakers, hehe. wala pang nasisira diyan mula noon.

ngayun yung amp and eq eh ginagamit ko na para sa home theater, the speakers were replace with mordaunt- shorts. panalo na ako sa 2 channels. tutal may gimmick ako sa speakers eh, kwento ko sayo next time.

tapos naka arbor ako ng isa pang turntable, BSR 20BP. lusaw na yung belt kaya bibili pa ako sa raon (thanks to Hyperaudio).

yes! i'll be glad to try your amps pero huwag muna ngayun. baka mabago ang budget eh, mapabili pa ako ng Integra okaya yung ES. patay tayo diyan!

akyatbundok · « **Reply #86 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 04:12 PM »

yup Qman, apat lahat pero sira yung isang luxman kaya pang spare parts na lang... baka hindi ko na ibebenta mga yun.. hehe. kung sakali man pang regalo sa anak o apo (kung magkaroon).

fakelondongenius, balang araw magkakaroon din ako ng turntable (sana!). mordaunt ka rin pala, kwento mo sakin yun tweak na sinasabi mo ha.

fakelondongenius · « **Reply #87 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 04:12 PM »

Trio KA-8700

http://img45.ac.yahoo.co.jp/users/0/0/6/2/dai208sky-img600x450-1064049647amp1.jpg

effective output 110W×2 (8 Omega * 20 - 20000Hz) / harmonic distortion factor: 0.015% external size: W44.0 / H15.3 / D40.7 & weight: 17.5 kg

P 4,000

akyatbundok · « **Reply #88 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 04:17 PM »

uy 4k lang quote sayo? ba't ang mahal ng quote sakin? yan saka yun sony ES ang pinagpilian ko eh. nasa ilalim kasi yan sobrang bigat kaya di na namin pinakinggan.

oks talaga yang yahoo auctions JAPAN, halos lahat ng modelo na nasa pier may pic & specs.

Qman · « **Reply #89 on:** Sep 26, 2003 at 04:17 PM »

Quote from: akyatbundok on Sep 26, 2003 at 04:12 PM

yup Qman, apat lahat pero sira yung isang luxman kaya pang spare parts na lang... baka hindi ko na ibebenta mga yun.. hehe. kung sakali man pang regalo sa anak o apo (kung magkaroon).

ha.. sira iyong luxman iyon panaman ang sa tingin kong da best na nakuha mo sa last trip mo sa pier. kala ko panaman kahit isa bebenta mo dahil me nagparinig na sayong isang member na interested... inaabangan ko rin eh hehehhe