Author Topic: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings (Read 213200 times)

kane · « **Reply #1020 on:** Sep 24, 2015 at 06:34 PM »

Sa mga inc members, what time start and end ng event nyo sa sat? 7pm pa ba start? Daan kasi ko nlex eh. Thanks in advance!

rochie · « **Reply #1021 on:** Sep 24, 2015 at 06:49 PM »

Quote from: kane on Sep 24, 2015 at 06:34 PM

Sa mga inc members, what time start and end ng event nyo sa sat? 7pm pa ba start? Daan kasi ko nlex eh. Thanks in advance!

7PM start but expect members and guests to arrive as early as 3pm.

GIJoe · « **Reply #1022 on:** Sep 27, 2015 at 01:17 PM »

Quote from: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 22, 2015 at 09:44 PM

The 2nd long week-end affected by INC activity
For those planning an out of town trip to the North (like me) this long week-end expect heavy traffic.

Di ba dapat di mag cause ng traffic yan kasi last time nag cause na so dapat alam na ng organizer and ng nlex kung ano gagawin para mawala traffic?

Eto nga eh may escort pa tapos pati ambulansiya di makago dahil sa espesyal na pag treat sa isang convoy ng INC. Kala ko ba tuwid na daan? Tuwid na daan na lubak lubak? Yan ba ang hiwalay ang simbahan sa gobyerno eh gumamit pa sila ng escort galing sa gobyerno?

https://www.facebook.com/essex.pol/videos/10153376677463551/?pnref=story

raptor · « **Reply #1023 on:** Sep 27, 2015 at 05:28 PM »

Quote from: GIJoe on Sep 27, 2015 at 01:17 PM

Di ba dapat di mag cause ng traffic yan kasi last time nag cause na so dapat alam na ng organizer and ng nlex kung ano gagawin para mawala traffic?

Eto nga eh may escort pa tapos pati ambulansiya di makago dahil sa espesyal na pag treat sa isang convoy ng INC. Kala ko ba tuwid na daan? Tuwid na daan na lubak lubak? Yan ba ang hiwalay ang simbahan sa gobyerno eh gumamit pa sila ng escort galing sa gobyerno?

https://www.facebook.com/essex.pol/videos/10153376677463551/?pnref=story

malakas sa gobyerno ang kulto

ricky · « **Reply #1024 on:** Sep 27, 2015 at 08:04 PM »

Kulto? Talaga?

bejiboys · « **Reply #1025 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 01:13 AM »

Quote from: raptor on Sep 27, 2015 at 05:28 PM

malakas sa gobyerno ang kulto

Kainis. Feeling privileged.

tony · « **Reply #1026 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 08:09 AM »

Quote from: ricky on Sep 27, 2015 at 08:04 PM

Kulto? Talaga?

kulto is when any religion do not believe that Jesus Christ is God...

sirhc · « **Reply #1027 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 08:17 AM »

Quote from: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:09 AM

kulto is when any religion do not believe that Jesus Christ is God...

Parang mahirap naman yatang gawing reference point ay si Jesus Christ being God lang. So in the same sense, lahat ng religion outside Christianity ay kulto? Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, etc. lahat sila kulto? And best of all, by this definition, and The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ by Jim Jones ay hindi kulto?

tony · « **Reply #1028 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 08:28 AM »

Quote from: sirhc on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:17 AM

Parang mahirap naman yatang gawing reference point ay si Jesus Christ being God lang. So in the same sense, lahat ng religion outside Christianity ay kulto? Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, etc. lahat sila kulto? And best of all, by this definition, and The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ by Jim Jones ay hindi kulto?

my understanding is that the INC is labeled a cult because they do not accept Jesus as God...
to the INC, Jesus was a propeth just like Mohhamed with the muslims...
makes no difference to me what the INC believes in, they are perfectly within their rights to do so...
isn't is amazing? they all read the bible and yet came out differently with their interpretations...
AFAIK, even the Iglesia ni Soriano accepts Jesus Christ as both man and God...

pekspert · « **Reply #1029 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 08:54 AM »

Quote from: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:09 AM

kulto is when any religion do not believe that Jesus Christ is God...

Your answer is subjective. Thats not fair. There are other legitimate religions aside from christianity.

pekspert · « **Reply #1030 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 08:56 AM »

This is not my own. I just copied and pasted it.

Quote from: ricky on Sep 27, 2015 at 08:04 PM

Kulto? Talaga?

Best Answer: The Iglesia Ni Cristo(INC) has all the basic elements of a cult.

Exclusivity, deception, manipulation, control, and constraint
1. Total control of the "church", its members, and its businesses are kept within the Manalo Family. After Felix Manalo died, his son, Irano Manalo took over. He was then succeeded by the grandson, Eduardo Manalo. They are like Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un of North Korea.

2. They are taught that the only path to salvation is through their church and those people outside iglesia ni cristo will be burned in hell (Yes, all billions of human beings are going to burn in hell. 99% of heaven will be Filipinos).

3. They promote extreme bigotry against other religions specially the Catholic Church. All members are completely anti-Catholic.

4. Members are not allowed to read the bible and think for themselves. They are taught that the official interpretation of the Scriptures comes from the Central Administration of INC only.

5. Members are not allowed to join labor unions.

6. They are not allowed to file cases in court against fellow members.

7. They are not allowed to marry non-members.

8. They are pushed to vote only for politicians endorsed by their leaders. (INC wields political clout through block voting)

9. They are taught to believe that iglesia ni cristo was prophesied in the bible (in spite of the fact that this "prophesy" is a strung-up story of different verses taken from different books of the bible. Add to that, different versions, with some not recognized as authoritative like the Lamsa bible).

10. Excommunicated members are disowned by family and friends. They would suffer ridicule, embarrassment, sometimes harassment from members. He/she may even lose his/her job.

tony · « **Reply #1031 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 09:39 AM »

Quote from: pekspert on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:54 AM

Your answer is subjective. Thats not fair. There are other legitimate religions aside from christianity.

you are right, people are free to form their own opinions right or wrong...

jerix · « **Reply #1032 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM »

Quote from: pekspert on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:56 AM

This is not my own. I just copied and pasted it.

Best Answer: The Iglesia Ni Cristo(INC) has all the basic elements of a cult.

Exclusivity, deception, manipulation, control, and constraint
1. Total control of the "church", its members, and its businesses are kept within the Manalo Family. After Felix Manalo died, his son, Irano Manalo took over. He was then succeeded by the grandson, Eduardo Manalo. They are like Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un of North Korea.

2. They are taught that the only path to salvation is through their church and those people outside iglesia ni cristo will be burned in hell (Yes, all billions of human beings are going to burn in hell. 99% of heaven will be Filipinos).

3. They promote extreme bigotry against other religions specially the Catholic Church. All members are completely anti-Catholic.

4. Members are not allowed to read the bible and think for themselves. They are taught that the official interpretation of the Scriptures comes from the Central Administration of INC only.

5. Members are not allowed to join labor unions.

6. They are not allowed to file cases in court against fellow members.

7. They are not allowed to marry non-members.

8. They are pushed to vote only for politicians endorsed by their leaders. (INC wields political clout through block voting)

9. They are taught to believe that iglesia ni cristo was prophesied in the bible (in spite of the fact that this "prophesy" is a strung-up story of different verses taken from different books of the bible. Add to that, different versions, with some not recognized as authoritative like the Lamsa bible).

10. Excommunicated members are disowned by family and friends. They would suffer ridicule, embarrassment, sometimes harassment from members. He/she may even lose his/her job.

I am not an INC member now, we were excommunicated for political reasons, but i would like to share my thinking regarding the post.

-On No. 1, the Manalos dont own anything except the product from their own compensation as minister etc.;
-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.

pTrader · « **Reply #1033 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM »

Quote from: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM

I am not an INC member now, we were excommunicated for political reasons, but i would like to share my thinking regarding the post.

-On No. 1, the Manalos dont own anything except the product from their own compensation as minister etc.;
-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.

-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.

so basically a preference to become a member?

joko11 · « **Reply #1034 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 01:39 PM »

subscribing..

jerix · « **Reply #1035 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 01:54 PM »

Quote from: pTrader on Sep 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM

-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.

so basically a preference to become a member?

I believe so -- it is not most likely that they will force you. Of course we have our own way of ascertaining the belief that we will live on.

There are doctrines that sound acceptable to me, though i dont want their "pasakop"doctrine which have become their justification over decision to vote the candidate their highest minister in a certain locality anoints. We have become a victim of that system. My family was excommunicated or "natiwalag" because of our rebellion over the choice of the head minister in our locality.

panzimus · « **Reply #1036 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 02:00 PM »

sir jerix, if you don't mind me asking, how did your family handled yung pagiging exkomunikado with INC?

sirhc · « **Reply #1037 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 02:28 PM »

Additional questions if you don't mind. Was your family's being excommunicated, an official decision carried out by church officials? Was this issue/rebellion with your local's head minister raised on the avenue Quitacet has been explaining about, I mean the escalation procedure on conflicts between both INC members? Or was this a result of a one-sided deliberation? Sorry if medyo confusing, I'm not that really knowledgeable on the proper terms used inside the INC.

jerix · « **Reply #1038 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 03:10 PM »

On panzimus' and Sirhc concerns, I was still young at that time when my father entered local politics. He was then the favorite candidate. The Governor at that time had his own choice but my father refused to stop. The governor may had been pissed off by my father's refusal to back out; hence, according to reports, the governor allegedly talked to the provincial head minister and paid them around 100K, thats a huge sum of money during the middle 70's, and because of that he was, as reported, able to insert the name of the candidate on the list issued by the INC provincial Head Minister. No hearing was ever conducted and we were just informed that the entire family was already excommunicated or "natiwalag na".

My father being a known politico in the province was closed then with the governor and the other politicos in the province such that he was able to help many INC in terms of employment in the province. The choice candidate of the governor was even the defendant of criminal case with an INC in the province; hence, my father's refusal to stop.

After the election, the INC tried to win the family back again but my father's refused already to rejoin the INC because he totally lost his trust over people who manages the INC.

tony · « **Reply #1039 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 03:11 PM »

well, that is what you get when your church meddles in politics, it is bound to happen....

panzimus · « **Reply #1040 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 03:52 PM »

good call on your father's side not to join again. i mean not because it is INC but the same goes to any organization na mangyayari yung ganyan. for me, di talaga maganda na bigla na lang tiniwalag ang pamilya nyo specially dahil tumanggap ng pera ang head minister sa locality nyo in favor of the governor's request. maski ako naman yung gawan ng ganun, di na talaga ako magtitiwala.

jerix · « **Reply #1041 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 04:04 PM »

My question back then was, why the entire family? I was not even a voter then. The "pagtitiwalag" was arbitrarily done with haste, but justified by a certain doctrine that is, "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which until now is being used to members who refused to submit.

Considering the circumstances back then, my father was saying, "batas ng tao yan, at kelanman hindi magiging batas ni Kristo ang ganyang klaseng desisyon."

CeeV · « **Reply #1042 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 05:03 PM »

Curious lang boss, so what's the Family (your's) religion ended up now?
Wow your family experience is something to note at now with my usual friendly debate with my INC friends and kamag anak.

CoolTOYZPH · « **Reply #1043 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 05:38 PM »

INC members are generally nice, respectful, and law abiding citizens.
There is always too sides of a story.
Still it is sad that somehow the leadership is a bit too zealous and that it is beginning to be very evident.

pTrader · « **Reply #1044 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 06:03 PM »

Quote from: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 04:04 PM

My question back then was, why the entire family? I was not even a voter then. The "pagtitiwalag" was arbitrarily done with haste, but justified by a certain doctrine that is, "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which until now is being used to members who refused to submit.

Considering the circumstances back then, my father was saying, "batas ng tao yan, at kelanman hindi magiging batas ni Kristo ang ganyang klaseng desisyon."

Rev 7:1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Sad to know that after the "last sugo" of INC perform the sealing on the forehead then the process of unsealing by "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which therefore means that they did not know whom to put the seal.

In oder words there is no legit INC member having the promised seal by their "last sugo".

Wala naman nasulat sa Rev 7:2-3 na itiwalag yung mga naselyuhan na.

tony · « **Reply #1045 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 06:51 PM »

Quote from: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 04:04 PM

My question back then was, why the entire family? I was not even a voter then. The "pagtitiwalag" was arbitrarily done with haste, but justified by a certain doctrine that is, "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which until now is being used to members who refused to submit.

Considering the circumstances back then, my father was saying, "batas ng tao yan, at kelanman hindi magiging batas ni Kristo ang ganyang klaseng desisyon."

your father is a wise man.....the gift of discernment was not lost with your father....
i am sure there are many other such members within the INC....

like i said before, the days of the Inquisition has long been over with the RC...
it seems like the INC leadership has not learned from the errors/sins committed by the RC...
but the good news is there is still hope...

GIJoe · « **Reply #1046 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 08:16 PM »

Quote from: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 28, 2015 at 05:38 PM

INC members are generally nice, respectful, and law abiding citizens.
There is always too sides of a story.
Still it is sad that somehow the leadership is a bit too zealous and that it is beginning to be very evident.

Law abiding citizen? Eh bat sila nag rally questioning sa sinampa na reklamo sa matataas na INC. Bat dun sa video nag counter flow with pulis escort pagti ambulansya di nila pinauna?

panzimus · « **Reply #1047 on:** Sep 28, 2015 at 09:55 PM »

Quote from: GIJoe on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:16 PM

Law abiding citizen? Eh bat sila nag rally questioning sa sinampa na reklamo sa matataas na INC. Bat dun sa video nag counter flow with pulis escort pagti ambulansya di nila pinauna?

"generally nice, respectful and law abading citizens" naman ang sinabi ni sir cooltoyzph. di naman niya nilahat. sa lahat naman ng groups may mga pasaway talaga but that doesn't mean the whole group is pasaway.

pao9307 · « **Reply #1048 on:** Sep 29, 2015 at 07:11 AM »

A couple thousand years ago,considered na cult din ang Christianity. Balang araw matatanggal din ang "cult" perception ng inc.

dpogs · « **Reply #1049 on:** Sep 29, 2015 at 07:29 AM »

totoo bang hindi namimigay ng regalo kapag pasko ang mga inc members? kasi may mga agent ang misis ko na hindi sumasali (o namimigay ng pero o inkind) sa mga gift giving program ng kanilang account... pero napapansin nila na tumatanggap ng christmas bunos at hamon