Topic: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings

[tony]

These are trying moments for the government.

let us see how the governmetn react to this one....

[barrister]

Pero atty. Hindi naman ata lahat Ng inc event ay  criticized, diba Menon silang annual event na Hindi naman tinitira Ng mga Tao kasi alam nilang mangyayari,, as far as I know parang itong rally lang NA Ito ang talagang pinansin ng mga Tao.

Tama ka naman diyan sir.  Ito lang nga yata ang INC rally na pinulaan ng mga tao.

 

Sa totoo lang, any one who stages a rally in EDSA gets criticized. Whether Catholic, left leaning or the INC. In fact, there should be a ban on holding rallies in EDSA period. Exercise your freedom of assembly and freedom of expression elsewhere.

If INC does decide to "occupy EDSA" for the foreseeable future (I've been seeing reports of them asking for an extension of their permit), wonder how that will go? It will be the first time, to my recollection, that it will be done. Even EDSA 1 and EDSA dos lasted maybe  only 3-4 days, right?

Nagtataka nga ako kung bakit ganong kaluwag ang issuance ng permits, sobrang tagal naman, lalo sa Manila.

Para sa akin, dapat no permits for EDSA.  In this case, hindi lang binigyan na ng permit, sobrang tagal pa ng time period.

[prototypeone]

Is it true na hanggamg Sept. 4 pa ang rally?

[oweidah]

i am looking at a power grab in the making....

powergrab sa inc o govt?

[dpogs]

Yan lang ang galit na galit ako (though hindi pa akp affected sa traffic), kasi nagrally sila nang may nagfile na criminal case sa kanila. Ano iyon, paano na lang kung hindi member/dating member ng inc ang magfile ng case.

Tsaka sigaw nila separation of church and state eh number one silang tagalabag nito. Bad trip.

[skoivan]

Can someone who is from INC here (who supports the rallying) please explain these two points?

(1) Bakit kayo nagrarally against DeLima and the DOJ? There is a criminal allegation against EVM. May nagsampa ng kaso. Trabaho ng DOJ at ni DeLima na imbestigahan ito. Bakit kayo nagrarally against them doing their job?

(2) Why are you calling for a separation of church and state when everytime there's an election, isa sa major factors ay kung sinong kandidato ang ieendorse ng INC?

Please lang paki-explain. Gusto ko lang maintindihan.

[thebat]

Putkte! Naipit ako sa Edsa grrrr! Susundo ako sa airport kay missis 5:30pm sa cubao pa lang di na gumagalaw tapos nakasabay ko pila pilang jeep na lulan ng mga Iglesia rallyist papunta sa site! Leche flan talaga oh! Wow naman!!! Abala!!! Aaaaargh!!!

[SiCkBoY]

I hope no one lost a good friend just because of traffic.

[ricky]

Mukhang may mas malalim na problema kaya nag rally kami. Sadly hindi KO lang alam kung ano. Conspiracy theory na gawa ng govt.? Honestly walang sinasabi, kung ibabase lang natin sa news ang dahilan, mukha ngang mababaw, pero kung paano kung may mas malalim na dahilan?

Separation of church and govt? Pero nanonood ako sa inctv and ang topic ay govt's wrong doings, nalito ako lalo.

Kung base sa news, ang alam ko walang complain against INC nor ka Eduardo, sa sanggunian ang complain.

Even si angel manalo hindi INC at kuya nya ang complain nya.

Hindi kami nag endorse ng politician, hindi pinapayagan yon, maniwala man kayo or hindi, talagang hindi iniendorse yon. Pero dahil sa turo na dapat magkaisa kami sa pagpili eh hinahayaan na namin ang tagapamahala kung sino ang nararapat. Karapatan ng bawat pilipino na bumoto, at yan lang ang ginagawa namin pero ang naiiba eh may kaisahan kami. Walang pinag iba sa isang pamilya na gusto ng ama ng tahanan na nagkakaisa sila sa pagdedesisyon.

Iresearch nyo sino si de lima. Matagal ko na alam kung kanino sya konektado , ngayon lang nagkaroon ng pagkakataon na lumabas ang layunin.

Im sure kung ano man kalabasan ng rally , hindi lang kaming mga INC members ang makikinabang.

Napakaliit lang namin para magdikta kung ano ang dapat mangyari. Kaya nga kami siguro nag rally para mapansin at madinig. Sana nga madinig.

Magsasalita daw si Ka Eduardo sa rally, yan ang inaabangan ng marami. Pag sya nag sabi, malaking bagay yon.

For the mean time wait and see muna. Konti pang pasensya mga kapwa ko pinoy. Konti pang pang unawa.

Sana even before the complain eh nag rally na kami re mrt, yolanda, gun permits, traffic etc para wala sanang kulay.

Aking pananaw lang ito at hindi ng INC.

[jackryan]

Sure, it's an INC show of force.  Just as the RH Bill rallies were a Catholic show of force ---

CBCP president Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, in an interview with the Church-run Radio Veritas, said bishops were supportive of street rallies against the RH bill in the hope that the show of force would convince the lawmakers to vote against the measure, which they claim is antilife. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY

Catholics make a show of force, no big deal.  A different religion makes a show of force and they lose their minds.

I don't think you get it... you keep on harping on one religion (in this case, Catholics) being "tolerated" to do such a thing while another (in this case, the INC), doing the same thing.

Disclaimer: I am a Catholic by religious preference and not a lawyer by schooling nor profession. But, I can profess to be a tax paying, Filipino citizen and I hope, law-abiding at the same time.

In short, part of the general public greatly "inconvenienced" by this 'show of force' by INC. I have friends in the INC, Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, Born-Again, etc. And, while I can respect that they have an internal matter to resolve, it crossed the "line" when an official complaint has been filled by one of their ex-member who I understand is a high-ranking official in their hierarchy, with the local authorities. That stated, as an ordinary citizen, I beg the question just like so many others, why the need for 'show of force', have the complaint been officially heard in the court of justice and let to follow the process for such official complaints?

As for Catholics, doing their own 'show of force', you are right. That is the case, but I don't remember that it was because they wanted the authorities to back-off in investigating the archbishop or cardinals of the Church
if an official complaint leading to an official investigation by the State is required to ascertain whether a crime has been indeed committed.

And if they want to 'show of force', can't they just do it inside the Phil Arena which they own anyway for their congregation's use?

[ricky]

^yung rally sa edsa kasi may impact

[jackryan]

And quite simple, kahit mag lagay pa tayo ng flowery words or any other justification... simple lang talaga ang issue, Mr. Manalo, should consider answering point by point the matters, raised from this --- http://tonyocruz.com/?p=4786

I think naka-tag yung INC and also Mr. Manalo directly on that post, so it would be difficult for them not to read it unless they just want to ignore because it contradicts their *real agenda*

And I quote:

Aug. 29, 2015

Ka Eduardo V. Manalo
Executive Minister
Iglesia ni Cristo

Dear Ka Eduardo:

I am respectfully addressing this letter to you as a fellow Filipino citizen and because you are the Iglesia ni Cristo’s executive minister, an honored and responsible position you have held since Sept. 7, 2009.

I am writing about events happening in Metro Manila that involve the INC:

On Aug. 28, INC members blocked or took over portions of EDSA in a mass demonstration that defies explanation and which paralyzed Metro Manila’s main avenue. The demonstration at EDSA-Shaw continues today, Aug. 29.
On Aug. 27-28, INC members also held a mass demonstration at Padre Faura – obstructing traffic and affecting operations of the Department of Justice, the University of the Philippines Manila and the Philippine General Hospital, among others.
Today is already the third day of INC mass demonstrations in Metro Manila and no official higher than the INC spokesperson has come out to explain to the public why. 
Based on the application for a permit to rally filed by Bro. Erano Codera at the Manila City Hall, the plan is to hold more demonstrations until Sept. 4.
Ka Eduardo, as executive minister of INC, you have a moral obligation to the nation to give a frank and honest explanation for these mass demonstrations. These cannot start, continue and end without your knowledge and consent.
Perhaps after you speak, civil authorities led by President BS Aquino, DILG Secretary Mar Roxas, PNP Chief Ricardo Marquez, MMDA Chairman Francis Tolentino and concerned mayors would finally end their inaction over the paralysis at EDSA.

Ka Eduardo, with all due respect, is this about the complaint filed by Isaias Samson and others? The filing of a complaint is a legal recourse available to any aggrieved Filipino citizen, regardless of faith, and the government is duty-bound to act on it. We ask you to use your moral power to enjoin those who may be summoned by authorities to cooperate in the legal processes. Let the accusers and the accused face themselves, answer the charges and defend their innocence in a process that everyone would help make sure would be open, fair, free and without fear or favor. We need not belong to the same faith to hold on to a universal belief: The truth shall set the innocent free.

Ka Eduardo, please come out and tell us if there is anyone or any party trying to take advantage of the complaint to either get concessions from the INC or to unduly influence the INC’s voting preferences, ahead of the 2016 elections.

Ka Eduardo, we respect the right of all citizens to free expression, free assembly and religious freedom. Our national heroes, whose memory we commemorate this weekend, fought for these rights. We ask you to honor these same rights for everyone else.

Ka Eduardo, please come out and dispel the rising fears that the INC demonstrations are meant to pressure the premature dismissal of a pending complaint. Please come out and ask church members to respect journalists, critics and other citizens – and to not make threats or engage in any act of violence. Please come out and call on your church members to help authorities restore the free flow of persons and vehicles at EDSA. Please come out and tell the nation your side of the story – because your silence has only given way to misinterpretations and prejudgments against the undeclared objectives of the demonstrations and even the beliefs and public record of your church.

Ka Eduardo, your church is not at all defenseless and helpless. The INC has its own media network, capable of broadcasting your message on TV, radio, cable and the internet. You can easily come out and face the nation. Any delay dishonors your church and harms the solidarity we supposedly share as a nation

Let me close by saying: We may not share the same faith, but we share one nation and one citizenship. Whatever our differences, we are all Filipinos. Ka Eduardo, please come out, show moral leadership and put your trust in fellow Filipinos. We are eager to hear your side, and to see you directly lead your flock as the presiding minister of a mature and responsible 101-year old church rooted in a country we all share.
Maraming salamat po.

Respectfully yours,

Tonyo Cruz
A fellow Filipino citizen

[pao9307]

Bro ricky, re bloc voting. Could you enlighten us ano ang repercussion,if any,once a member is found to have voted against who manalo has endorsed?

[barrister]

I don't think you get it... you keep on harping on one religion (in this case, Catholics) being "tolerated" to do such a thing while another (in this case, the INC), doing the same thing.

... As for Catholics, doing their own 'show of force', you are right. That is the case, but I don't remember that it was because they wanted the authorities to back-off in investigating the archbishop or cardinals of the Church
if an official complaint leading to an official investigation by the State is required to ascertain whether a crime has been indeed committed.

You miss an important part of my point.  Remember, I don't agree with the INC reason either.

However, whether I agree with the INC's reason or not is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that the INC believes it is right.

The INC believes it is right, it gets permits, then conducts rallies.  The rally is legal, so I don't blame the INC for our inconvenience.

But I do blame the persons responsible for issuing permits.  No religious group should be allowed to conduct rallies that will cause monstrous traffic jams.  The same should hold true for Catholics and any other religion.

Compare that with your view.  You believe the INC reason for conducting a rally is wrong; therefore, the public should not be inconvenienced.

In other words, it's ok to inconvenience the public when you agree with the rallyists' cause.  But it's not ok to inconvenience the public when you disagree with their cause.

Yet you don't seem to be blaming the persons responsible for issuing the permits.

[SiCkBoY]

Mukhang may mas malalim na problema kaya nag rally kami. Sadly hindi KO lang alam kung ano. Conspiracy theory na gawa ng govt.? Honestly walang sinasabi, kung ibabase lang natin sa news ang dahilan, mukha ngang mababaw, pero kung paano kung may mas malalim na dahilan?

Separation of church and govt? Pero nanonood ako sa inctv and ang topic ay govt's wrong doings, nalito ako lalo.

If you don't know what you're fighting for, that is truly sad indeed.

[jackryan]

interesting logic... but flawed or is it called a "fallacy"?

I blame them all. For politicians, who are trapos. For local authorities, who gave them permits because they are afraid that INC block will not vote for them when they run for office. For Mr. Manalo for not being man enough to answer the very simple points raised in the thread above. I'll blame myself if I just keep my silence and suffer with all these shenanigans just because a religious block thinks they can 'show force' and 'bully' the authorities to submission and prevent them what is required by law once an official complaint is filed by a citizen of the State.

This is a systemic thing, if allowed to flourish in this state. No one should be above law. Not you, me, nor them.

We should stand for public officials who have the guts to call the obvious - De Lima?

By making a hyperbole of the permit being granted for the rally, looks like the obvious issue is not being addressed. For layman like myself, it is called a "distraction"

For all I care, they can protest all forever as they want, just do it somewhere that people are not made 'hostage' to their activities --- do it in Luneta, or Phil Arena for that matter!

Would you care to focus and see whether you think any of the points raised by Mr. Tony to Mr. Manalo  is valid or not? Perhaps, that would be a more productive rendition of how we can help educate people on what the real issue is all about and how we can progress and move forward in getting a positive, productive state.

That my friend, I think is the bigger issue worth addressing...  have fun!
 

[jackryan]

same views as below on my end... I think this is bull's eye.

Nun anniv... Di naman ganito reklamo namin...
Nun nagrally sila to show their force last year... Di naman ganito reklamo namin...

Pero nang may magreklamo ng criminal case laban sa ilang member ng INC, magrarally sila ng separation of church and state...
May nag file ng case illegal detention, tapos isisigaw nila huwag makikialam ang gobyerno...
Paano na lang kung normal o hindi former member ang magfile ng kaso, untouchable pa rin?

Sala sa hulog ang sigaw nilang separation of church and state... Wala akong marinig sa ibang relihiyon na nagrally na ang topic ay ganyan, INC lang - na nagiindorse ng kandidato. Isigaw nila ang separation kung totigilan nila amg pagiindorso.

[SiCkBoY]

You miss an important part of my point.  Remember, I don't agree with the INC reason either.

However, whether I agree with the INC's reason or not is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that the INC believes it is right.

The INC believes it is right, it gets permits, then conducts rallies.  The rally is legal, so I don't blame the INC for our inconvenience.

But I do blame the persons responsible for issuing permits.  No religious group should be allowed to conduct rallies that will cause monstrous traffic jams.  The same should hold true for Catholics and any other religion.

Compare that with your view.  You believe the INC reason for conducting a rally is wrong; therefore, the public should not be inconvenienced.

In other words, it's ok to inconvenience the public when you agree with the rallyists' cause.  But it's not ok to inconvenience the public when you disagree with their cause.

Yet you don't seem to be blaming the persons responsible for issuing the permits.

Ang sarap i-quote!

[frequenzy]

para kasing sinasadya ng INC to inconvenience the people just to prove na kaya nila. walang problema kung sa arena sila mag rally. i also don't think its about religion, galit ang mga tao sa nagrally hindi dahil INC sila kundi dahil nakakaperwisyo sila.

[ricky]

Bro ricky, re bloc voting. Could you enlighten us ano ang repercussion,if any,once a member is found to have voted against who manalo has endorsed?

Hmmm, hindi ko alam ano mangyayari pero im sure wala naman. Hindi naman kasi malalaman ng iba kung sumunod ka or hindi di ba since ikaw lang at ang Diyos ang nasa booth.

Ako sumusunod na lang ako, kasi sa totoo lang wala naman ako mapili talaga, minsan nga ayoko bumoto eh para lang wag mag kamali.

If you don't know what you're fighting for, that is truly sad indeed.

Sad indeed, pero baka kami lang ang hindi nakaka alam o nakaka unawa sa mag anak ko.

interesting logic... but flawed or is it called a "fallacy"?

I blame them all. For politicians, who are trapos. For local authorities, who gave them permits because they are afraid that INC block will not vote for them when they run for office. For Mr. Manalo for not being man enough to answer the very simple points raised in the thread above. I'll blame myself if I just keep my silence and suffer with all these shenanigans just because a religious block thinks they can 'show force' and 'bully' the authorities to submission and prevent them what is required by law once an official complaint is filed by a citizen of the State.

This is a systemic thing, if allowed to flourish in this state. No one should be above law. Not you, me, nor them.

We should stand for public officials who have the guts to call the obvious - De Lima?

By making a hyperbole of the permit being granted for the rally, looks like the obvious issue is not being addressed. For layman like myself, it is called a "distraction"

For all I care, they can protest all forever as they want, just do it somewhere that people are not made 'hostage' to their activities --- do it in Luneta, or Phil Arena for that matter!

Would you care to focus and see whether you think any of the points raised by Mr. Tony to Mr. Manalo  is valid or not? Perhaps, that would be a more productive rendition of how we can help educate people on what the real issue is all about and how we can progress and move forward in getting a positive, productive state.

That my friend, I think is the bigger issue worth addressing...  have fun!
 

I dont think he needs to answer anything that this supposed mr. Tony is asking. Sa amin naman wala din nagtatanong, ako lang, hindi pa sa kanila ako nag tanong , so guess what, fault ko yon.

para kasing sinasadya ng INC to inconvenience the people just to prove na kaya nila. walang problema kung sa arena sila mag rally. i also don't think its about religion, galit ang mga tao sa nagrally hindi dahil INC sila kundi dahil nakakaperwisyo sila.

I agree kahit hindi dapat ako umagree. Yes yan yata ang goal ng rally, kahit sabihin na peaceful pa basta naka inconvenienced ka medyo expect mo may maririnig ka hindi maganda.  Ang point lang naman sana hindi dahil INC kaya naiinis or nagagalit ang tao kung hindi dahil sa abala.

Sana may mag interview sa mga nag bigay ng permits ano dahilan nila sa pagbibigay ng permit.

Jackryan hindi pwede sa arena, kasi hindi mapapansin at malamang hindi dinggin ang apela. Ngayon whether edsa, padre paura or luneta pa yan , ganoon din, sa dami ng dadalo malamang talaga maka abala kami. Yun nga lang mukhang mas galit ang tao kasi INC nga ang may gawa.

Natatawa nga ako kasi sabi nun nag rally kami sa faura eh bumaho yun lugar at naging madumi. Pumupunta ako sa lugar na yon, kahit walang rally eh mapanghi at madumi yun lugar, kahit sa pedro gil st ganoon din. Oo nakadagdag siguro kami sa dumi pero im sure hindi lang kami ang cause ng panghi at dumi. Kami pa nga naglinis eh.

[barrister]

This is a systemic thing, if allowed to flourish in this state. No one should be above law. Not you, me, nor them.

I agree. No one should be above the law. 

But the INC is following the law.  It got permits before holding the rally. 

 

By making a hyperbole of the permit being granted for the rally, looks like the obvious issue is not being addressed. For layman like myself, it is called a "distraction"

No one is above the law.   And the permit is relevant to show that the INC is not violating any law. 

Very simple.

Would you care to focus and see whether you think any of the points raised by Mr. Tony to Mr. Manalo  is valid or not? Perhaps, that would be a more productive rendition of how we can help educate people on what the real issue is all about and how we can progress and move forward in getting a positive, productive state.

That my friend, I think is the bigger issue worth addressing...  have fun!

To you, the bigger issue is your disagreement with their cause.

Free speech to those you agree with; no free speech to those you disagree with.

That's your idea of a "positive, productive state."

 
=======================================

 
“Most people do not really want others to have freedom of speech, they just want others to be given the freedom to say what they want to hear.” - Mokokoma Mokhonoana
 

[jackryan]

para kasing sinasadya ng INC to inconvenience the people just to prove na kaya nila. walang problema kung sa arena sila mag rally. i also don't think its about religion, galit ang mga tao sa nagrally hindi dahil INC sila kundi dahil nakakaperwisyo sila.

This is I think best to para-phrase, if not quote --- "Huwag maging perwisyo sa kapwa mo!!!"

Alright, time to hit the bed. Tom is another day to hit the traffic jam caused by these folks.

[CeeV]

IMHO galit ang tao hindi lang dahil sa napeperwisyo sila but yung tipong Feeling nila sila ay above the LAW. Na kapag royalty member ng religion nila dapat me suit immunity.

Galit ang tao kase they don't Walk the Talk....ang dami pangaral na mostly self serving, but look at their practice.

Galit ang tao kase, Politician tends to ignore or bow to them dahil sa block voting nila. It breeds contempt.

At ang isa sa kinaiinis ko personally yung kapag me issue ang sagot is baket yung iba ganun? Why keep on blaming others and not answer the point straight, no beating around the bush. Well hindi naman lahat pero sa personal experience ko mas nakakarami ang ganun.

[jackryan]

I agree. No one should be above the law. 

But the INC is following the law.  It got permits before holding the rally. 

 
No one is above the law.   And the permit is relevant to show that the INC is not violating any law. 

Very simple.


To you, the bigger issue is your disagreement with their cause.

Free speech to those you agree with; no free speech to those you disagree with.

That's your idea of a "positive, productive state."

Interesting... but won't bite your bait.

You're educated enough to know what is right from wrong... try to read Mr. Tonyo's post to Mr. Manalo and see if that is in line with a "positive, productive state".

While you are at it... can you care to state for the record if you are INC, RC, Muslim... just needed to know the whole context of your line of reasoning since I cannot really believe myself that you seem to be doing selective statements.

Promise, last post for the night. You won't get brownie points for brow beating folks if they don't tie-up to your line of reasoning... I don't think if you care to read my posts carefully that those were my statements... back-read while you are at it, carefully if you can as you owe it to yourself, my friend.

We can agree to disagree on permits and all.

Just help me get educated on whether the post of Mr. Tonyo to Mr. Manalo makes perfect sense or not.

Plus, of course, should we care less if a lot of us are inconvenienced timing wise in hours of traffic because of this? That my friend, is where my bias is coming from.

Ask yourself, where your's is coming from... have fun!

[barrister]

Promise, last post for the night.

Ganyan talaga ang effect ng mga post ko, sir.
 
They can't resist replying just one more time... 
 

[ricky]

Mas nakakalungkot eh wala na yata talaga pakialam sa atin amg gobyerno natin.

Ika 4th day na ng rally yet wala pa din nakikipag usap sa pamunuan to resolve or even clear the issue para matapos na.

Nag rally sa doj andoon si de lima may party pa at nagkantahan pero hindi man lang nag attempt na makipag usap sana man lang.


Sa mga mayors na nagbigay ng permit , ano kaya dahilan nila? Para sa boto hahayaan nila na maka abala ng marami?


Show of force, bale wala sa bingi bingihan at bulag bulagan nating pamahalaan. Paano kung sige ang rally? Paano na tayong lahat? Yung mag rarally sa amin, sa dami namin pwede kami magpalit palit ng tao araw araw pero ang maaabala yon at yon pa rin.  Kaya nga siguro inilipat sa edsa kasi 2 days sa faura halos no effect.

[jjjeronimo]

^Tanong lang.  So ano ba talaga ang objective ng rally?  Ang kausapin sila ni De Lima?  Ang mag-resign si De Lima? Or for the government to simply back off what they claim is an internal matter?   Ang dating kasi sa akin it's the latter, pero I could be wrong..

[barrister]

Mas nakakalungkot eh wala na yata talaga pakialam sa atin amg gobyerno natin.

Ika 4th day na ng rally yet wala pa din nakikipag usap sa pamunuan to resolve or even clear the issue para matapos na.

Nag rally sa doj andoon si de lima may party pa at nagkantahan pero hindi man lang nag attempt na makipag usap sana man lang.


Sa mga mayors na nagbigay ng permit , ano kaya dahilan nila? Para sa boto hahayaan nila na maka abala ng marami?


Show of force, bale wala sa bingi bingihan at bulag bulagan nating pamahalaan. Paano kung sige ang rally? Paano na tayong lahat? Yung mag rarally sa amin, sa dami namin pwede kami magpalit palit ng tao araw araw pero ang maaabala yon at yon pa rin.  Kaya nga siguro inilipat sa edsa kasi 2 days sa faura halos no effect.

 
It's not a good move on the part of the INC.
 
The only one backing down from this stalemate is the INC.  The government cannot back down. If they do, it makes them look weak.
 
On the other hand, the INC has to call off the rally sooner or later. When they do and the government does not budge, the INC exposes itself as a paper tiger.
 
That's what this rally is doing to your group. It shows the country that the INC is not so powerful after all.
 
The only way out for the INC is if the government asks for a dialog.  The INC agrees to the dialog and calls off the rally.
 
If the government does not ask for a dialog, that's going to be a problem.

[ricky]

^yan nga ang problema pag walang dialog

Nagsalita na si mayor abalos ng manadaluyong, up to 12midnight but extended up to tom morning ONLY then balik na sa manila. Susunod naman kami kaya its good. Sana lang magka dialog na para matapos na. Wala naman hindi naaayos sa mabuting usapan. Buti na lang at may balls kahit papaano si mayor Abalos at nag bigay sya ng deadline.

[Waxx]

lowbat lang ako... san ba sa part ng edsa ang no permit zone (can hold a demonstration anytime)? or is it no rally zone?... i mean, if the inc were not given permits to hold its vigil in edsa shrine, dba magagawa nila dun sa freedom park ba yun? (near corinthians).. or im being wrong  about the permit free locations?..

anyways, atty barrister has a point here... inc had its permit, so technically, theyre not breaking the law... kahit anong ikot natin, be it lbgt issue, if the pro lbgt were able to secure a permit to demonstrate sa edsa for 5 days, and they were able to get supporters to the millions, wala tayong magagawa.. we can be inconvenienced and complain, pero wala theyre not breaking any law.

i am not inc, nor catholic.. i am born again christian.  and although i dont agree with the reasons of inc, thats my opinion. but i have to agree with atty barrister. no law was broken because inc had permits.

kung walang permit and nag rally, ibang usapan na yun.