Topic: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings

[toys4geeks]

+1 dapat national holiday yan.

In our area, expected and volume ng traffic on thursday, wala naman busina kahit traffic, kasi church zone.

[ricky]

bro ricky ako lahat inaaway ko pag trapik, madalas jeepney drivers, walang double standard sakin
btw enjoy "banal na hapunan" event this march 

Hahaha pasaway ka pala. Yup this month na kaya need to be extra good

[ricky]

+1 dapat national holiday yan.

In our area, expected and volume ng traffic on thursday, wala naman busina kahit traffic, kasi church zone.

Nice area , may disiplina ang Tao. 

[ninjababez®]

Hahaha pasaway ka pala.
di naman bro, araw araw nalang kasi yung mga jeep sa eastwood/libis area, parang terminal na nila.

Yup this month na kaya need to be extra good

yung invite ng gf ko for tomorrow naman.

[ricky]

Yup actually some locales started today,kami sa 24th pa. Sama ka din bro

[Quitacet]

Philippine Arena inauguration today

[toys4geeks]

congratulations!

[Quitacet]

sa July 27 (sunday) ang selebrasyon talaga.

payo ko sa mga babyahe ng North at dadaan ng NLEX ipagpaliban nyo muna, tiyak mas maraming tao.

[tony]

congratulations.......

[ricky]

Thank you very much, yeah 100 years na. Inauguration today of Philippine Arena but actual date for the anniversary is on the 27th pa. Pasensya na sa mga maaabala sa traffic, we are trying our very best not to inconvenienced anyone.

[ricky]

Also pls do watch INC channel and net25 para may idea din kayo about the INC.

[jjohnc]

congratulations....

[thebat]

Wala naman celebration dito sa Commonwealth avenue, Central sa linggo? Planning my trip this Sunday baka kase mag traffic din sa Commonwealth?

[Quitacet]

Wala naman celebration dito sa Commonwealth avenue, Central sa linggo? Planning my trip this Sunday baka kase mag traffic din sa Commonwealth?

AFAIK, conecntrated sa Bocaue ang celebration activities.

[ricky]

Wala naman celebration dito sa Commonwealth avenue, Central sa linggo? Planning my trip this Sunday baka kase mag traffic din sa Commonwealth?

Baka magkaroon din pero hindi naman siguro grabe kasi mostly papunta sa bocaue

[SiCkBoY]

There are so many articles now about INC. Here's an interesting one from Rappler:

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral

Particularly on:

Path to salvation. The INC adheres to the exclusivist doctrine that outside of it, there is no salvation. “To be reconciled and to be saved, one must become a member. Unless he becomes a part of the Church of Christ or the Body of Christ, he is not embraced by the redemptive death of Christ.”

In comparison, the Catholic Church teaches that eternal salvation is also granted to “those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it, through the dictates of their conscience (from the encyclical Lumen Gentium).”

[Quitacet]

There are so many articles now about INC. Here's an interesting one from Rappler:

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral

Particularly on:

Path to salvation. The INC adheres to the exclusivist doctrine that outside of it, there is no salvation. “To be reconciled and to be saved, one must become a member. Unless he becomes a part of the Church of Christ or the Body of Christ, he is not embraced by the redemptive death of Christ.”

In comparison, the Catholic Church teaches that eternal salvation is also granted to “those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it, through the dictates of their conscience (from the encyclical Lumen Gentium).”

I commented on that in Rappler. It's inaccurate. I love Rappler but when it comes to INC its bias clearly show.

The INC believes in the conscience of man. A person not reached by the gospel (he lived in a time and place where it's not available) will be judged by God according to his conscience. After all God can't judge him on any other basis like his belief in Christ, following the ten commandments, etc.

There are many perceptions and beliefs about the INC that are misunderstanding of its stance in certain doctrinal issues. Many still believe the INC follows tithing (ikapu), Sinisingil pag absent sa pagsamba, etc.

in reality, ikapu is not followed. in fact they believe ikapu is unbiblical (new testament-wise) because Christ advocated "voluntary" giving. Tithing is deemed involuntary as there is a fixed amount, and if your heart just wants to give 2% of your earning, tithing will make you a giver with a heavy heart.

When a member was absent in services, church officers visit the member not to collect the abuloy but to determine the cause of the absence. The member is prayed over, given advice, and most of the times, if the reason is poverty, the church workers even give some financial assistance to the member or a job recommendation. Minsan nagagastusan pa ang dumalaw at hindi kinokolektahan ng abuloy.

[SiCkBoY]

Tithing is deemed involuntary as there is a fixed amount, and if your heart just wants to give 2% of your earning, tithing will make you a giver with a heavy heart.

I don't understand, bro.  Can you give example situations?

[Quitacet]

Ang abuloy sa INC ay dapat kusang loob o pasya ng puso. Nothing wrong in giving 10% or even 90% if thta is how much you want to give. But the INC believes that by requiring tithing or 10% or ikapu then this doctrine of giving with a happy heart is violated. If you only want to give say 1% then that's it. let your conscience dictate it.

I guess one reason why there are manymisconceptions about the INC's collections is the result of them: malalaking kapilya, relief efforts, pabahay, etc. The truth is (kahit na napakaraming pagpintas) mahusay ang administrasyon sa pagsisinop ng mga koleksyon. If you go to any construction site ng INC, kahit isang pako wala kang mapupulot na laglag. Pag meron sasabihin ng foreman, pulutin yan at galing yan sa abuloy ng mga kapatid na di dapat masayang.

The ciudad de victoria's funds were planned as early as the 1980s i was told.

[leomarley]

When a member was absent in services, church officers visit the member not to collect the abuloy but to determine the cause of the absence. The member is prayed over, given advice, and most of the times, if the reason is poverty, the church workers even give some financial assistance to the member or a job recommendation. Minsan nagagastusan pa ang dumalaw at hindi kinokolektahan ng abuloy.

just a question. what happens if a member does not attend the services and the church tries to visit but the member won't let them in or accept the visit?

[kidlat08]

I have not heard of any co-members or stories from church officers, about members that refuse visits from church officers. Understandable 'to if we have members na house help lang, and their amos are non-INC. The officers then respect the situation and will suggest to set another place and time to meet. Ako, this is what i do at times since work eats most of my time. Minsan sa kapilya na lang kami nagkikita ng church officer, minsan sa malapit na Jollibee. Flexible naman kami.

[SiCkBoY]

Ang abuloy sa INC ay dapat kusang loob o pasya ng puso. Nothing wrong in giving 10% or even 90% if thta is how much you want to give. But the INC believes that by requiring tithing or 10% or ikapu then this doctrine of giving with a happy heart is violated. If you only want to give say 1% then that's it. let your conscience dictate it.

I guess one reason why there are manymisconceptions about the INC's collections is the result of them: malalaking kapilya, relief efforts, pabahay, etc. The truth is (kahit na napakaraming pagpintas) mahusay ang administrasyon sa pagsisinop ng mga koleksyon. If you go to any construction site ng INC, kahit isang pako wala kang mapupulot na laglag. Pag meron sasabihin ng foreman, pulutin yan at galing yan sa abuloy ng mga kapatid na di dapat masayang.

What I don't understand is if tithing is voluntary, why do you always talk about percentages? Malaking pera agad yan, even if it's 1% only. And is it true that copies of ITRs are submitted?

Also, won't a member be ostracized kung maliit lang binibigay?

[Quitacet]

I only talked about percent to provide comparison sa ikapu which is 10%. My point is you can give any amount you want. In fact kung wala kang pera pwede ka mag attend bg service at di mag abuloy. The diakono will just pass you by. Plus nobody will know the amount you give since you drop it in a collection bag na opaque ang cloth. Walang makakakita sa amount kahit yung nagkolekta. Sa totoo lang di isyu ang abuloy sa INC. Mas nagrereklamo pa yung taga labas na di naiintindihan yung doktrina at paraan ng pagkolekta. Walang naitiwalag sa inc sa di pag aabuloy.

[Quitacet]

Oh and about ITRs. Not true yan. Isang misconception yan. Ako nga walang nakakaalam na napromote na sa work. Let.s just say na i can earn 50k a month and drop 5 pesos as abuloy and no one will know about it

[leomarley]

I have not heard of any co-members or stories from church officers, about members that refuse visits from church officers. Understandable 'to if we have members na house help lang, and their amos are non-INC. The officers then respect the situation and will suggest to set another place and time to meet. Ako, this is what i do at times since work eats most of my time. Minsan sa kapilya na lang kami nagkikita ng church officer, minsan sa malapit na Jollibee. Flexible naman kami.

Has there been any instance where a member decided to exclude himself/herself from the church and what's usually the reaction of their family?

[Quitacet]

^Yup. Plenty of times. The reaction depends on the family. Walang pinag iba sa reaction ng isang katolikong pamilya who learned that one member is undergoing biblical teaching of doctrines by INC. but in the end it's an individual decision that shoild be respected. Bawal din sa INC ang sapilitang paganib kasi. Kaya 6 months ang testing period para maiwasan yung pag anib ng dahil sa dahilan other than faith

[SiCkBoY]

Oh and about ITRs. Not true yan. Isang misconception yan. Ako nga walang nakakaalam na napromote na sa work. Let.s just say na i can earn 50k a month and drop 5 pesos as abuloy and no one will know about it

True or False: The INC has never ever seen a copy of any of your ITRs.

[thebat]

Kunyari lang nag absent ako. Pwede ba ako tumagging magpadalaw sa bahay ko or kahit sa labas? Or pwede ba ako tumangging makipag usap or pagusapan bakit ako absent?

[dench]

There are so many articles now about INC. Here's an interesting one from Rappler:

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral

Particularly on:

Path to salvation. The INC adheres to the exclusivist doctrine that outside of it, there is no salvation. “To be reconciled and to be saved, one must become a member. Unless he becomes a part of the Church of Christ or the Body of Christ, he is not embraced by the redemptive death of Christ.”

This is a core doctrine of the INC. In other words, the INC is convinced that its organization, founded in the Philippines by a Filipino in 1914, is the only way for all humanity to be saved from the penalty of sin (spiritual death).

Another core doctrine is Felix Manalo is "sugo sa huling araw". It reveres him as God's messenger that technically re-established the Christian church in the Philippines after the apostles have all died.

Where is the Lord Jesus Christ in these doctrines? It's quite ironic that INC label itself Church of Christ, yet Jesus is not at the centre of its faith. In fact, it consider the Lord as plain human being.

Reading John 14 and we see Jesus explaining to His disciples His Lordship. "“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me".

In Philippians 2, Paul wrote: "5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Obviously, there are other passages in Scripture that affirm Jesus is God. Yes, He became man and died for our sins for that is the only way mankind can be redeemed. However, He resurrected from the dead which proved He can conquer sin and death. And that is the hope of every true Christ believer and follower. That because of Jesus and through Jesus we can spend eternity with Him when we leave this world.

After Jesus ascended to heaven, how can mankind get a chance for redemption? In Romans 10:9-10, Paul wrote: "9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

The INC rejects salvation by grace because it propagates salvation by WORKS. Examples: you must join the INC, you need to believe Felix Manalo is the Last Messenger, you need to go to kapilya twice a week, you should not observe Christmas and Lenten season, you should not get into a relationship with a non-INC, you exercise your freedom of suffrage by voting as a bloc to the dictates of the INC headship, you don't eat dinuguan. And so many other DO THIS, DONT DO THAT. You need to earn your salvation.

Ephesians 2:9-10 says "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

Through the years and decades, long before 1914, there were individuals, both known and unknown by name, who believed and followed the Lord Jesus Christ and they were instrumental why we know the Christian faith to this day. History will prove they are people from different nations, different cultures and even from different religious affiliations. Christianity did not end when the apostles died.

If Christianity ended in those times, how could it have been possible for Felix Manalo to read a bible and go to a bible school?

[dench]

Has there been any instance where a member decided to exclude himself/herself from the church and what's usually the reaction of their family?

The INC excommunicates members by announcing names of people during worship service who are longer obeying its regulations. Imagine the silent embarrassment it brings to that person's family or loved ones who remain in its fold. Where is the love?