Author Topic: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings (Read 213047 times)

Hitman · « **Reply #930 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 09:58 AM »

May mga buhay na nanganganib at binantaan, may mga hinostage (ayon iyon sa kanila mismo), anong gusto nilang gawin ng gobyerno? Wag makialam? Pabayaan silang magpatayan, magsakitan at kung ano ano pa? Baka nga dapat pinabayaan na lang silang magubusan. Hiwalay ang gobyerno at simbahan? Wag silang magendorso ng uupo sa gobyerno.

GIJoe · « **Reply #931 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 11:49 AM »

Nakita ko lang sa isang website

pao9307 · « **Reply #932 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 01:06 PM »

Sa nababasa at nakikita mo lately, inc operates more like a corporation ( na tax exempt) more than a church.

ninjababez® · « **Reply #933 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 02:01 PM »

Quote from: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:53 AM

I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.

Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.

i get your point bro. sakin lang parang mahirap tanggapin yung isang bagay na alam mong wala naman.

Quote from: ricky on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:47 PM

Eto lang kaya nasabi ko minsan medyo may oa din, just like in any group hindi lahat ok. May nananalangin na sobra ang oa na humahagulgol at sumisigaw pero pag nagmulat ako wala naman luha hehehe. Very minor yan pero ako napapansin ko pa at pag ganoon medyo naiilang ako. O di ba normal kami

bro ricky, isa ito sa di ko maintindihan at di maipaliwanag ng gf kong INC sakin; no pun intended bro alam mo naman gaano ko kamahal yun. ito lang tanong ko, bakit ako iiyak at hihingi ng tawad eh wala naman akong ginawang masama. gf ko i understand bakit sya ganun, kasi nga bf nya hindi INC. pero ako di ko talaga alam bakit tuwing may samba eh ganun ang eksena. kabaliktaran ito ng mga born again mass na napuntahan ko na medyo upbeat mga tao (kaso 2 out of 3 churches plastikan at yabangan); seventh day adventist ganun din naman (solemn tulad ng inc) pero medyo calm sila.

praktikal · « **Reply #934 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 02:37 PM »

eye opener na talaga ito sa karamihang hindi mulat though ang iba alam na nila at ang iba naman medyo nakasilip lang...

kung kay binay may bidding-biddingan sa kanila bidding talaga? pwedeng fact na nating maituturing yan according sa post ni brader raptor.

ninjababez® · « **Reply #935 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 02:54 PM »

Quote from: praktikal on Sep 05, 2015 at 02:37 PM

eye opener na talaga ito sa karamihang hindi mulat though ang iba alam na nila at ang iba naman medyo nakasilip lang...

kung kay binay may bidding-biddingan sa kanila bidding talaga? pwedeng fact na nating maituturing yan according sa post ni brader raptor.

tao lang din mga yan like what our INC members here are pointing out.

ricky · « **Reply #936 on:** Sep 05, 2015 at 11:16 PM »

If you can watch tv5, sinasagot na issue sa rally.

istan · « **Reply #937 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 01:14 AM »

Quote from: GIJoe on Sep 05, 2015 at 11:49 AM

Nakita ko lang sa isang website

Dapat tayo ata nagrally ng separation of church & state at inde yun INC.

ricky · « **Reply #938 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 08:51 AM »

^kahit mga business man ginagawa yan mag request ng transfer ng mga pulis lalo na pag kailangan sa bodyguard duties at may special reasons. Also its a request and not a demand . Sana ma ipost nyo yung request granted naman kung meron.

newwaveboy · « **Reply #939 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 09:57 AM »

Quote from: ricky on Sep 06, 2015 at 08:51 AM

^kahit mga business man ginagawa yan mag request ng transfer ng mga pulis lalo na pag kailangan sa bodyguard duties at may special reasons. Also its a request and not a demand . Sana ma ipost nyo yung request granted naman kung meron.

Indeed, it's a letter request and you're correct, I've seen some business groups do it a few times ....... but brader, we know how these kinds of letters go - they're more mandates than requests.

Not everyone makes that kind of request to the authorities; not unless you have some clout or influence, over the party you're requesting from ...... I believe this is the point the guy, who posted the pic in another forum, wanted to show.

barrister · « **Reply #940 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 09:58 AM »

Quote from: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:53 AM

I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.

Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.

Meron ding ganong doctrine sa Catholic Church --- extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation).

http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation

jerix · « **Reply #941 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 10:07 AM »

Ang dasal ay isang pagpapasalamat, paghingi, pagsamba sa diyos. ang sinuman ay maaring maiyak kung taos ang iyong damdamin. its only the person that can explain this phenomenon. Karamihan sa INC marubdob sila kung magdasal kasi direktang pakikipag-usap sa diyos ang ginagawa nila. Hindi ito isang rite o seremonyas lang.

Philander · « **Reply #942 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 10:09 AM »

Medyo OT lang but, let me ask this.

Say If I have my own company... or I'm a part of recruitment team. Magkakaissue ba ang company if for example we decided not to hire any INC (or a partciular religion) member?

barrister · « **Reply #943 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 10:36 AM »

Puwede yon sir.

The employer has the right to choose the employees he will hire.

The Supreme Court said it is the same as the right of the employee to choose which employer he wants to work for. If an employee can be forced to to work for an employer, that is slavery. If an employer can be forced to hire an employee, that is oppression.

But note that this applies only to hiring, not firing.

The employer can refuse to hire INC members. The employer can choose to hire only INC members.

But if the employee has already been hired, the employer cannot fire him simply because he is an INC member. That's illegal dismissal.

If the employee was hired when he was Catholic, then he converted to INC, then he was fired because of the company's policy against hiring INC members, that's still illegal dismissal.

What's the difference between hiring and firing?

During the hiring stage, the issue is the property right of the employer. He has the right to choose his employee.

During the firing stage, the greater issue now is the security of tenure of the employee. He cannot be dismissed without valid ground.

Philander · « **Reply #944 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 10:49 AM »

Buti na lang. Thanks Atty. Barrister

Issue na lang talaga pag nahire nang non-INC then biglang nagpaconvert during employment time.

Iredundate na lang ang pay for his/her year of service.

barrister · « **Reply #945 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 10:52 AM »

Akala ko mas gusto ng employers ang INC kasi bawal mag-strike?

dpogs · « **Reply #946 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 11:01 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:36 AM

Puwede yon sir.

The employer has the right to choose the employees he will hire.

The Supreme Court said it is the same as the right of the employee to choose which employer he wants to work for. If an employee can be forced to to work for an employer, that is slavery. If an employer can be forced to hire an employee, that is oppression.

But note that this applies only to hiring, not firing.

The employer can refuse to hire INC members. The employer can choose to hire only INC members.

But if the employee has already been hired, the employer cannot fire him simply because he is an INC member. That's illegal dismissal.

If the employee was hired when he was Catholic, then he converted to INC, then he was fired because of the company's policy against hiring INC members, that's still illegal dismissal.

What's the difference between hiring and firing?

During the hiring stage, the issue is the property right of the employer. He has the right to choose his employee.

During the firing stage, the greater issue now is the security of tenure of the employee. He cannot be dismissed without valid ground.

OT:

if it is possible sa religion, applicable din po ba ito sa sexual orientation?

praktikal · « **Reply #947 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 11:06 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Akala ko mas gusto ng employers ang INC kasi bawal mag-strike?

baka hindi na ngayon kasi magaling pala sila mag rally...

Philander · « **Reply #948 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 11:09 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:52 AM

Akala ko mas gusto ng employers ang INC kasi bawal mag-strike?

Nah.

Yung dati naming INC na HR Manager (UK-based research company) nag sara dahil nangurakot ng almost 3M.

Yung dati naming INC na Recruitment Officer, naki kabit sa Managing Director, parehas silang married (Australian based bpo company) tapos pintanggal isa isa mga kalaban nya sa office.

And so many other stories. Yes catholics do that as well, pero may something sa kanila kasi nga kahit magkasala sila eh pag member sila ng INC paniniwala nila sila lang maliligtas.

SM hires them, kasi nga hindi nag sstrike.

Mas gusto ko na lang mag strike sila basta nasa katwiran, pero wala eh, nag strike nga SABLAY naman.

GIJoe · « **Reply #949 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 11:45 AM »

Quote from: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:09 AM

Nah.

Yung dati naming INC na HR Manager (UK-based research company) nag sara dahil nangurakot ng almost 3M.

Yung dati naming INC na Recruitment Officer, naki kabit sa Managing Director, parehas silang married (Australian based bpo company) tapos pintanggal isa isa mga kalaban nya sa office.

And so many other stories. Yes catholics do that as well, pero may something sa kanila kasi nga kahit magkasala sila eh pag member sila ng INC paniniwala nila sila lang maliligtas.

SM hires them, kasi nga hindi nag sstrike.

Mas gusto ko na lang mag strike sila basta nasa katwiran, pero wala eh, nag strike nga SABLAY naman.

Hindi daw rally yung ginawa ng INC isa daw peaceful vigil.

Madami din ako alam na ginagawa ng INC members na kakilala ko na di akma sa kanilang sinasabi.

Regarding sa post ko na transfer ng pulis so yung mga pulis na trinatransfer is para maging bodyguard ng INC? Nakita ko lang sa isnag site kasi yun so ibig sabihin ang pulis transfer parfa na ganun is nirerequest din ng mga businessman and nagiging bodyguard din nag request yung mga pulis na nirequest para sa transfer? Wala kasi dun sa request bat sila need na itransfer? Di ba dapat kasama sa request letter bat sila need itransfer? So halimbawa isang regular na businessman na may kakilala na pulis puwede na niya irequest sa pulis director na ilipat yung kakilala niya kung nasan yung business niya ganun ba yun?

barrister · « **Reply #950 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 11:57 AM »

Quote from: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:09 AM

Nah.

Yung dati naming INC na HR Manager (UK-based research company) nag sara dahil nangurakot ng almost 3M.

Yung dati naming INC na Recruitment Officer, naki kabit sa Managing Director, parehas silang married (Australian based bpo company) tapos pintanggal isa isa mga kalaban nya sa office.

And so many other stories. Yes catholics do that as well, pero may something sa kanila kasi nga kahit magkasala sila eh pag member sila ng INC paniniwala nila sila lang maliligtas.

SM hires them, kasi nga hindi nag sstrike.

Mas gusto ko na lang mag strike sila basta nasa katwiran, pero wala eh, nag strike nga SABLAY naman.

Thanks for the info.

Yung SM story lang ang alam ko, preferred daw ang INC kasi bawal mag strike.

Quote from: dpogs on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:01 AM

OT:
if it is possible sa religion, applicable din po ba ito sa sexual orientation?

Yes. The principle is the same.

The employer does not want to hire LGBTs, that's his right. Valid ang policy na yon.

E yung employee, nung nag-apply, pamintang buo, walang nakahalatang bading pala. E di na-hire siya.

After one year, ayun nagladlad... Darna pala...

Can he be fired because of the company policy of hiring only straight people? No. Illegal dismissal na yon.

tony · « **Reply #951 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 12:07 PM »

Quote from: GIJoe on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:45 AM

Hindi daw rally yung ginawa ng INC isa daw peaceful vigil.

Madami din ako alam na ginagawa ng INC members na kakilala ko na di akma sa kanilang sinasabi.

Regarding sa post ko na transfer ng pulis so yung mga pulis na trinatransfer is para maging bodyguard ng INC? Nakita ko lang sa isnag site kasi yun so ibig sabihin ang pulis transfer parfa na ganun is nirerequest din ng mga businessman and nagiging bodyguard din nag request yung mga pulis na nirequest para sa transfer? Wala kasi dun sa request bat sila need na itransfer? Di ba dapat kasama sa request letter bat sila need itransfer? So halimbawa isang regular na businessman na may kakilala na pulis puwede na niya irequest sa pulis director na ilipat yung kakilala niya kung nasan yung business niya ganun ba yun?

hindi peaceful vigil yung ginawa nila, power grab yon.....i agree na peaceful nga,
pero it was done to blackmail the government not to touch the members of the sanggunian,
the motive is plain to see... that is why we saw movement of INC members from surrounding
province going to EDSA......but the thing is, they failed to capture the imagination
of the non-INC members, they failed big time to get general public sympathy,
people saw their action for what it was.... a power grab.....

History has shown that the clergy, just like the military are very poor when it comes to
public administration....

bashi · « **Reply #952 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 01:38 PM »

I live near where it happened and I assure everyone it was anything but peaceful......peaceful ba yun mga dumadaan sasakyan either binabato or hinaharangan or harass, I was surprised wala binaril dun, peaceful? All our friends and clients who lives in the vicinity namely Cityland, St Francis Shang, Soho were relaying safety concerns during the INC "vigil", bibili nga lang ako pagkain in a nearby restaurant proved to be a challenge being prohibited by what looked like INC personnel from parking near where I'm going

Philander · « **Reply #953 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 01:42 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:57 AM

Thanks for the info.

Yung SM story lang ang alam ko, preferred daw ang INC kasi bawal mag strike.

Yes. The principle is the same.

The employer does not want to hire LGBTs, that's his right. Valid ang policy na yon.

E yung employee, nung nag-apply, pamintang buo, walang nakahalatang bading pala. E di na-hire siya.

After one year, ayun nagladlad... Darna pala...

Can he be fired because of the company policy of hiring only straight people? No. Illegal dismissal na yon.

Also, can a company bluntly say that they are not hiring INC members? I mean like they can post in their reception office that no INC members is allowed?

Or say post in Job searches like jobstreet and one of the qualification is not an INC member?

devlin_waugh · « **Reply #954 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 01:46 PM »

^they work through intermediaries orthird parties in this case, recruitment agencies which makes for easier dealings and previously insulates the principal from a lot of compliance issues

current global trends and best practices do not promote it

praktikal · « **Reply #955 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 01:55 PM »

nabasa nyo na ba ito?
http://tl.controversyextraordinary.com/2015/08/iglesia-ni-cristo-nasa-pagsubok-o.html?m=1

newwaveboy · « **Reply #956 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 02:50 PM »

Back in my old work in the semicon industry, I've worked with plenty of INC's ....... all very competent engineers and all good friends - I'm almost sure that none of them would have approved of the recent EDSA takeover.

pao9307 · « **Reply #957 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 04:20 PM »

Kung totoo nga yung pic requesting police protection/ cops doubling as bodyguards,it just gives further credence to the fact that inc is closer to a corporation than an actual church.
Why the heck would a church leader need bodyguards??

Unless tong mga miyembro ng sanggunian consider themselves to be vip's, e i see no point in having police security.

Separation of church and state pero kailangan ng protection ng state?

barrister · « **Reply #958 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 04:23 PM »

Quote from: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 01:42 PM

Also, can a company bluntly say that they are not hiring INC members? I mean like they can post in their reception office that no INC members is allowed?

Or say post in Job searches like jobstreet and one of the qualification is not an INC member?

Depends on what you mean by "can" and "can't."

They can do it legally, but they can't do it because it's not politically correct. The company will look unfair, ignorant and backward if it does that.

Besides, it creates the impression that you fire all employees you discover to be INC, even if you only apply the rule to initial hiring.

What they do is make it an unspoken internal rule.

Parang SM. Rumor is that they prefer hiring INC members. Do they admit that it's an official company rule? No.

Parang yung isang bank manager, she says she used to give priority to applicants who are grads of exclusive schools. Now, she whispers that she rejects applicants who are UP and Ateneo grads. Bakit daw? Ang yayabang daw e...

Does she officially admit that she has such a policy? Of course not.

tony · « **Reply #959 on:** Sep 06, 2015 at 04:32 PM »

just like when i worked for a multinational semiconductor company before,
there will thousands of applicants for a few operator positions...
what the security guards do is to ask applicants to stand behind a wall with their markers,
those falling below the markers are then sent home because they failed to meet height requirements...
is it a policy? yes, but it was an unwritten policy...
and yes we also hired INC members for the reason that they do not join unions...
our company remained union free for the almost 10 years that i worked there...
we have mastered the art of making our company union free...