Topic: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings

[barrister]

Exclusivity beliefs are not unique to the INC. 

Pero kung gusto mo ng iba sa karamihan, eto ang example:

Sabi ng ibang sekta, pag sumapi ka sa kanila, maliligtas ka.

Sabi naman ng ibang sekta, hindi pa nililikha ang mundo, nakatakda na silang maligtas, at nakatakda nang ma-impiyerno yung iba.  Kung hindi ka nakatakda sa langit, kahit sumapi ka pa sa kanila, impiyerno ka pa rin.

Kaya kung doktrina ng exclusivity ang pag-uusapan, may dadaig pa ba sa tindi ng doktrina ng predestination?...

[pTrader]

Exclusivity beliefs are not unique to the INC. 

Pero kung gusto mo ng iba sa karamihan, eto ang example:

Sabi ng ibang sekta, pag sumapi ka sa kanila, maliligtas ka.

Sabi naman ng ibang sekta, hindi pa nililikha ang mundo, nakatakda na silang maligtas, at nakatakda nang ma impiyerno yung iba.  Kung hindi ka nakatakda sa langit, kahit sumapi ka pa sa kanila, impiyerno ka pa rin.

Kaya kung doktrina ng exclusivity ang pag-uusapan, may dadaig pa ba sa tindi ng doktrina ng predestination?...

E ano naman ang sabi ng Dios sa iyo?

[tony]

Pareho rin yan sir.

All Christian sects think Christ is in them when they examine themselves.
 
 
   
 

they all read the bible and then decide that other religions did not get it,
they alone understood the bible and that they alone will be saved....
and when questioned, then they will say, aba eh kahit naman ang RC merong ganyan....

[barrister]

Pag sinabi mong may doctrine din naman ng exclusivity ang sekta ninyo, kaya pareho lang kayo, ano sagot?

May exclusivity doctrine nga kaming pareho.  Pero yung exclusivity nila, mali.  Yung exclusivity namin, tama.

Pareho rin... 

[pTrader]

Pag sinabi mong may doctrine din naman ng exclusivity ang sekta ninyo, kaya pareho lang kayo, ano sagot?

May exclusivity doctrine nga kaming pareho.  Pero yung exclusivity nila, mali.  Yung exclusivity namin, tama.

Pareho rin... 

Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.

Na-dyan lang yung mga doctrine na sinasabe mo, pero alam mo ba kung ang pangalan mo   ay nakasulat sa aklat ng buhay?

Si Pablo alam bilang manampalataya at alam din niya yung mga kasama niya ay nakasulat din ang pangalan gaya ni Clement at yung iba.

Ang  doctrina ay doctrina ang kalalagayan ng buhay at kaluluwa iba, pwede kang mabuhay at mamatay sa doctrina na pinanghahawakan mo pero ang tanong after all these  nakasulat ba sa aklat ng buhay yung pangalan mo?

[bumblebee]

Mabasa nga Mamaya

[barrister]

Pinipintasan yung exclusivity doctrine ng INC.

Pero yung sarili niya, mas matindi pa pala ang exclusivity. Even before the creation of the world, his name was already written in the Book of Life.

Kaya n'yo yon?

[Nelson de Leon]

Nandito na lang din ang usapan ito naman verse re Book of Life:

Psalm 69

26 For they persecute those you wound
    and talk about the pain of those you hurt.
27 Charge them with crime upon crime;
    do not let them share in your salvation.
28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
    and not be listed with the righteous.
29 But as for me, afflicted and in pain—
    may your salvation, God, protect me.
30 I will praise God’s name in song
    and glorify him with thanksgiving.
31 This will please the Lord more than an ox,
    more than a bull with its horns and hooves.

[bumblebee]

The more people talk about religion here, the more I'm thankful I'm not devout.

[dpogs]

Ano raw ang paliwanag ni Manalo bakit pinapunta nila sa edsa ang mga member nila?

[tony]

The more people talk about religion here, the more I'm thankful I'm not devout.

me too...i am a catholic not because of the blah blah blah....
but because of the humanity and compassion i see around me...
gone are the days of the crusades, the inquisitions and the witch hunts and burning at the stakes...
while still today we see muslims killing fellow muslims in the name of Allah....
we see members critical of the church held against their will....

let us not forget that even the devil can recite scriptures...
look at what happened in the Guyana massacre where 900 members
were systematically poisoned....or the hell that was Waco in texas....
or the ISIL burning and looting and rapng in the middle east...

indeed it will be a tragedy of the worst kind when any church member
gets martyred not by the enemies of the church but by the hands of his brothers...
Abel and Cain re-enacted....

[dpogs]

as far as i remember naging catholic ako dati ng hindi ko alam... not because of humanity blah blah blah... naging catholic ako kasi nabinyagan ako habang bata pa ako ng di ko alam

[bumblebee]

as far as i remember naging catholic ako dati ng hindi ko alam... not because of humanity blah blah blah... naging catholic ako kasi nabinyagan ako habang bata pa ako ng di ko alam

Nothing wrong with that. As you said, ceremonial.

[dpogs]

Nothing wrong with that. As you said, ceremonial.

nothing wrong?

[bumblebee]

Yup.

[tony]

as far as i remember naging catholic ako dati ng hindi ko alam... not because of humanity blah blah blah... naging catholic ako kasi nabinyagan ako habang bata pa ako ng di ko alam

ngayon alam ko na....

[dpogs]

ngayon alam ko na....

Yup. Became a catholic even though it is not my choice of religion.

[tony]

Yup. Became a catholic even though it is not my choice of religion.

of course you have every right to choose, and so does every one else....

[dpogs]

of course you have every right to choose, and so does every one else....

i was batpized when i am still a baby, baptized to be a catholic without my knowledge, it is not my choice.

[bumblebee]

i was batpized when i am still a baby, baptized to be a catholic without my knowledge, it is not my choice.

Ano naman ang problema doon? Don't tell me, meron kang childhood issues because of that.

[tony]

i was batpized when i am still a baby, baptized to be a catholic without my knowledge, it is not my choice.

now you became smarter eh? is that what you are saying?
yan ang pinagmulan ng pitpitan ng bayag sa walang katapusang debate...
na nauuwi rin sa patayan....where is Jesus in all these?

[toys4geeks]

Choice nga ng magulang yan for you, dahil wala ka pang muang ng pinanganak ka. Was it really that bad that you feel every fiber in your body tells you to leave your current faith? If you feel so strongly, then make the switch when you can, your terms.

[dpogs]

Ano naman ang problema doon? Don't tell me, meron kang childhood issues because of that.

no issues. im just saying that i became a catholic without my knowledge.

[bumblebee]

no issues. im just saying that i became a catholic without my knowledge.

So what's the big deal if ever you became Catholic without your knowledge? Napasama ka ba?

[dpogs]

So what's the big deal if ever you became Catholic without your knowledge? Napasama ka ba?

nope. i am just saying that i became a catholic without my knowledge.

[ricky]

Pasintabi lang po, pls stay lang tayo sa topic

Iglesia Ni Cristo- 100yrs of God's blessings
Kagagawan ng ilan miyembro eh hindi kasalanan ng lahat ng INC. If you can try to watch the investigative documentary aired over channel 5 last saturday, pls do. Nasagot mga issues na tinatanong nating lahat.

Yun mga unang sinabi ni barrister ay tama re charges of illegal detention ang pinagmulan.

Also if you can pls try to watch the movie Felix Manalo para kahit papaano maunawaan nyo kung saan kami nanggagaling bakit kami nasasaktan.

Maraming salamat sa pang unawa. Lilipas din itong lahat

Iglesia Ni Cristo kami

[dpogs]

Pasintabi lang po, pls stay lang tayo sa topic

Iglesia Ni Cristo- 100yrs of God's blessings
Kagagawan ng ilan miyembro eh hindi kasalanan ng lahat ng INC. If you can try to watch the investigative documentary aired over channel 5 last saturday, pls do. Nasagot mga issues na tinatanong nating lahat.

Yun mga unang sinabi ni barrister ay tama re charges of illegal detention ang pinagmulan.

Also if you can pls try to watch the movie Felix Manalo para kahit papaano maunawaan nyo kung saan kami nanggagaling bakit kami nasasaktan.

Maraming salamat sa pang unawa. Lilipas din itong lahat

Iglesia Ni Cristo kami

i didnt have a chance to watch. please if you can share to us ano paliwanag ni manalo? bakit niya pinapunta sa edsa ang kanyang mga member?

[barrister]

let us not forget that even the devil can recite scriptures...
look at what happened in the Guyana massacre where 900 members
were systematically poisoned....

The devil is a bible expert, but Jim Jones was far from being a bible expert.

Jim Jones was an atheist who used religion to push his communist/socialist agenda. His doctrines were actually political in nature.

The objective of the mass suicide was not religious.  They did it because they thought that they will be tortured by government forces which they believed were about to parachute at their location.

Magandang topic ang Jim Jones.  I'll discuss it in my non-Catholic thread.

[pTrader]

Pinipintasan yung exclusivity doctrine ng INC.

Pero yung sarili niya, mas matindi pa pala ang exclusivity. Even before the creation of the world, his name was already written in the Book of Life.

Kaya n'yo yon?

but then the question is, is  your name written in the book of life?

[CoolTOYZPH]

The 2nd long week-end affected by INC activity
For those planning an out of town trip to the North (like me) this long week-end expect heavy traffic.

MNTC reminds public of INC’s big event on September 26
The Manila North Tollways Corporation (MNTC) on Monday advised the public to plan trips ahead as religious group Iglesia Ni Cristo will hold a big event at the Philippine Arena, Bocaue, Bulacan on September 26.

MNTC advised the public motorists of the INC event as it may cause possible build-up of traffic along North Luzon Expressway. http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/21/1502391/mntc-reminds-public-incs-big-event-september-26