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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #870 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:06 PM »
The reason we are going to hell is
- not because we have different faith
- not because we didnt believe in God
- not because we never heard the Gospel
- not because we mever read the Bible

It is because we sin against God, we are sinners before God.

And if I so may add:
Because you reject Jesus as your ONE and ONLY saviour.

The death of Jesus Christ would not make sense if may iba palang way.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #871 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:12 PM »
I am talking about my own personal belief.  What I am saying is, I won't be able to live with myself if my personal belief is that my friends are all going to hell.  I've been a Catholic all my life and wala kahit sinong pari ang nagsabi sakin na salvation only lies within Catholicism.  What I quoted above is what I know and what was taught to me.

Again, if the Catholic Church will preach to me that only Catholics are going to heaven, I will walk away.  I don't go to church anymore, but I was a Knight of the Altar for several years when I was younger.  Kahit kelan, walang nagsabi ng ganyan.

Fair enough. I understand if it is personal beliefs.

I thought we were discussing this "exclusivity" to you being a member of RC Church, that's why I was trying to prove it in the doctrinal perspective.

just to add for other members' information:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/without-the-church-there-is-no-salvation.html


This explains that the inclusivity of RC in salvation is on the matter of happenstance. If you live at a time and a place where the gospel of Catholicism did not reach you, you can still be saved even if you are not part of Christ's body which is the church.


But

Since Jesus established the Catholic Church as necessary for salvation, those who knowingly and willingly reject him or his Church cannot be saved.
-http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means

so a professing Christian who knew of the Catholic Church, understand its doctrines but rejects it/them and decided to join a different group (say Protestant) will not be saved using this standard.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #872 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:15 PM »
And if I so may add:
Because you reject Jesus as your ONE and ONLY saviour.

The death of Jesus Christ would not make sense if may iba palang way.

I agree but many (if not all Christian religions) extend rejection of Christ to rejection of his body (which is the Church) like what I have quoted above in relation to RC claim of the Catholic Church as Christ's body. If you  reject the body, then you reject Christ.

I know this is not acceptable for everybody. I am just explaining the concept above.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #873 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:19 PM »

I thought we were discussing this "exclusivity" to you being a member of RC Church, that's why I was trying to prove it in the doctrinal perspective.


Yeah, but like I said, I didn't even know about that.  Walang nagtuturo nyan.  Hindi yan sinasabi sa mass.  I went to Catholic schools and walang nagsabi ng ganyan sa mga religion subjects.

Kasi if I was told nun bata pa lang ako na only Catholics will go to heaven, I will question it.  And I won't be able to live with myself.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #874 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:21 PM »
to us in the RC, the "body of Christ" is served in the holy communion in every mass....
what you mentioned is foreign to us, we were never thought that that i can remember....

I agree but many (if not all Christian religions) extend rejection of Christ to rejection of his body (which is the Church) like what I have quoted above in relation to RC claim of the Catholic Church as Christ's body. If you  reject the body, then you reject Christ.

I know this is not acceptable for everybody. I am just explaining the concept above.
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #875 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:24 PM »
Yeah, but like I said, I didn't even know about that.  Walang nagtuturo nyan.  Hindi yan sinasabi sa mass.  I went to Catholic schools and walang nagsabi ng ganyan sa mga religion subjects.

Kasi if I was told nun bata pa lang ako na only Catholics will go to heaven, I will question it.  And I won't be able to live with myself.

we in the RC are never blind followers.....i will also vehemently object to this if any priest mentioned it...
the fact that the others keep mentioning this is because they themselves believe in exclusivity...
 
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #876 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:25 PM »
to us in the RC, the "body of Christ" is served in the holy communion in every mass....
what you mentioned is foreign to us, we were never thought that that i can remember....


Just because it was not taught to you does not mean it is not RC's doctrine.

Pope Francis Proclaims the Church is the Living Body of Christ and Calls for Christian Unity

http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=51423

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Too often, even Catholics do not understand that to belong to Jesus the Head means to belong to His Body, the Church.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #877 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:28 PM »
Yeah, but like I said, I didn't even know about that.  Walang nagtuturo nyan.  Hindi yan sinasabi sa mass.  I went to Catholic schools and walang nagsabi ng ganyan sa mga religion subjects.

Kasi if I was told nun bata pa lang ako na only Catholics will go to heaven, I will question it.  And I won't be able to live with myself.

Now that you know it, aalis ka ba bilang isang katoliko?
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #878 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:29 PM »
Now that you know it, aalis ka ba bilang isang katoliko?

Eh hindi nga yan ang tinuturo eh.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #879 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:31 PM »
Just because it was not taught to you does not mean it is not RC's doctrine.

Pope Francis Proclaims the Church is the Living Body of Christ and Calls for Christian Unity

http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=51423


very easy to twist things around it you think it will serve your purpose....
can't blame you for that, you are not a catholic, but we catholics understand the message of the Pope...
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #880 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:34 PM »
Now that you know it, aalis ka ba bilang isang katoliko?

kung ikaw, aalis ka? never mind...i am sure you will....:D
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #881 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:34 PM »
Eh hindi nga yan ang tinuturo eh.


Hmm okay

What is the reason why you take your communion?
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #882 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:37 PM »
i seldom take communion, i feel i am not clean enough...
communions are done in recollection of the last supper,
In the last supper, Jesus broke bread, gave it his disciples
and said, take this, this is my body..........
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #883 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:42 PM »
i seldom take communion, i feel i am not clean enough...
communions are done in recollection of the last supper,
In the last supper, Jesus broke bread, gave it his disciples
and said, take this, this is my body..........

Is communion essential for us to be in heaven?

Or is it necessary to take xommunion para makapunta sa langit?
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #884 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:42 PM »
And if I so may add:
Because you reject Jesus as your ONE and ONLY saviour.

The death of Jesus Christ would not make sense if may iba palang way.


I agree but many (if not all Christian religions) extend rejection of Christ to rejection of his body (which is the Church) like what I have quoted above in relation to RC claim of the Catholic Church as Christ's body. If you  reject the body, then you reject Christ.

I know this is not acceptable for everybody. I am just explaining the concept above.

Yes sir. And that includes the teachings to be our guide and our light as well.

One difference I also see is that Jesus is a God in most sects, including RC. That is one reason why rejecting Jesus will deprive you of salvation because rejecting Jesus would also mean rejecting God.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #885 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:45 PM »
i seldom take communion, i feel i am not clean enough...
communions are done in recollection of the last supper,
In the last supper, Jesus broke bread, gave it his disciples
and said, take this, this is my body..........

Okay lang yun sir. You can simply pray for forgiveness to God with a sincere heart. Then you can take communion na.

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #886 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:48 PM »
Okay lang yun sir. You can simply pray for forgiveness to God with a sincere heart. Then you can take communion na.

+1 on this. I have nothing more to say.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #887 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:49 PM »
Is communion essential for us to be in heaven?

Or is it necessary to take xommunion para makapunta sa langit?

no.....it is as i said a commemoration of the last supper...
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #888 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:49 PM »
Okay lang yun sir. You can simply pray for forgiveness to God with a sincere heart. Then you can take communion na.

i take my confessions straight to God....

most religions are doctrinistic and ritualistic.....

i do not subscribe to that....
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« Reply #889 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:52 PM »
no.....it is as i said a commemoration of the last supper...

Thank you. Hope there are more catholics like you.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #890 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 12:56 PM »
Sorry to say but this is not biblical if this is indeed true. The remedy to this is very simple. SAY NO!

My wife was courted by a minister before we got married. she simply said NO. that was the end of it.

coz obviously every INC Minister has a good heart and never abuses his power ::)

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #891 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 01:02 PM »
coz obviously every INC Minister has a good heart and never abuses his power ::)

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« Reply #892 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 01:16 PM »
Thank you. Hope there are more catholics like you.

what more is it supposed to be?
the holy mass is just one of those rituals...
a gathering of the faithful to remember Jesus Christ,
to hear of the good news of Christ's' dying on the cross to save us from sin.....
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« Reply #894 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 01:41 PM »
very easy to twist things around it you think it will serve your purpose....
can't blame you for that, you are not a catholic, but we catholics understand the message of the Pope...


Its' not about my purpose. This is a very basic doctrine of RC. I am actually surprised you do not know theat the Catholic Church is considered by Vatican as the BODY of CHRIST.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm


Colossians 1:18King James Version (KJV)

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

This one of your teachings.
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #895 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 01:43 PM »
coz obviously every INC Minister has a good heart and never abuses his power ::)

I never said that and never will I.


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« Reply #896 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 01:45 PM »
unlike you there are more important things with us, than argue no end...
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« Reply #897 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 01:48 PM »
unlike you there are more important things with us, than argue no end...

SMH

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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #898 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 02:02 PM »
just as we can never understand why the INC practice block voting and endorse political candidates,
we can never expect you to understand our faith....we can only tolerate you....

shake you head some more..... >:D ;)
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Re: Iglesia Ni Cristo - 100years of God's blessings
« Reply #899 on: Sep 04, 2015 at 02:24 PM »
Isa lang naman yan RC priest di sasabihin na only RC ang mapupunta ng heaven di gaya ng INC na sila lang daw ang mapupunta ng heaven.

just as we can never understand why the INC practice block voting and endorse political candidates,
we can never expect you to understand our faith....we can only tolerate you....

shake you head some more..... >:D ;)

Yung block voting di naman daw lahat binoboto ng kasapi yung endorse ng INC siguro yung mga nakakapag isip. Saka tanung diyan now bat sila tumatawag ng separation ng church and politics so dapat sa election di na sila mag endorse ng pulitiko?  >:D >:D