Author Topic: Panasonic Plasma 2012 (Read 73518 times)

leeger · « **Reply #240 on:** Aug 28, 2012 at 12:34 AM »

Hi all can someone educate me regarding the power consumption of plasma vs led some say it's minimal however I have read that plasma consumes 2x or 3x more power than led. I'm just afraid that my electricity will sky rocket once I go plasma. Thanks

Stagea · « **Reply #241 on:** Aug 28, 2012 at 02:43 AM »

Quote from: leeger on Aug 28, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Hi all can someone educate me regarding the power consumption of plasma vs led some say it's minimal however I have read that plasma consumes 2x or 3x more power than led. I'm just afraid that my electricity will sky rocket once I go plasma. Thanks

It's a case per case basis. I guess what most people mean is that even if your Plasma consumes twice as much as a same-sized LED/LCD TV, the price difference won't equate to much. How much of your bill is caused by TV use, btw?

A current 50" plasma may run 300W in-use for typical TV programming, while an equivalent LED might use 60W at the same brightness level. That sounds like a fivefold change in power consumption. But the 240W difference if used 8 hours a day and 7 days a week would just amount to 58 kW-h. If you factor in the difference in cooling bills (with AC use), that's 209MJ to take out. If your AC averages 8 kJ/W-h in actual use, that's 26 kW-h of cooling needs. The total difference would be 84kW-h per month. Since the average cost of residential electricity supposedly amounts to 11 Pesos per kW-h, that's a maximum of 924 Pesos of difference.

If you only use your TV for 3 hours per day 5 days a week, the same TV will only cost 250 Pesos more per month.

In effect: If you use your TV a lot, the price differential between a LED and a Plasma TV may be bridged by power savings over the lifespan of the TV. If you don't use it as much, then the savings won't add up.

Stagea · « **Reply #242 on:** Aug 28, 2012 at 02:55 AM »

Quote from: seventhheaven on Aug 27, 2012 at 02:16 PM

I made up my mind that I'll get the P42X30, then I found out na meron ng P42X50, ano kaya difference and worth it ba to go with the P42X50?

They're very similar TVs. If the price differential is very small, it might be better to get the newer TV.

Also consider 50" variants, as they don't cost that much more.

halvert · « **Reply #243 on:** Aug 28, 2012 at 11:42 AM »

here's barrister's take on the 50x50 (page 5 of this thread)
I just saw the Panny plasma 50X50 (lowest-end 2012 model, 720p) at Abenson's Makati this afternoon.

I previoulsy posted that the 42X50 and 50X50 are both available at Anson's Makati in front of Landmark. Well, I just found out that that isn't entirely true ---- they have one 50X50 demo unit on display, but no 42X50 on display; you can buy the 2 models, but they're on order-basis only, since they they don't have any stock.

Unfortunately, the resolution is unacceptable to me.

My Panny plasma 50C10 (purchased Jan. 2009) has a native resolution of 1366 x 768, and the native pixels are not visible to me at a distance greater than 5 feet.

On the other hand, the 50X50 has a native resolution of 1024 x768. I was expecting the resolution difference to be insignificant ---- NOT.

On the 50X50, I can see the native pixels from a distance of about 7+ feet. At 10 feet away (my home viewing distance), the picture still has portions that are slightly jagged. At 5 feet away, forget about it.

I noticed that the 50X50 has a physical pixel structure that's very different from my present TV. Maybe the difference in pixel structures results in a picture that still isn't clean enough even at a 10 foot distance.

The 50X50 was playing some Panasonic demo material. According to the sales rep, content resolution was 1080p, and it looked like 1080p content, judging from the Panny LCDs nearby playing the same material.

I was wearing my trifocal eyeglasses while looking at the 50X50. I'm far-sighted without glasses, but I assure you, once my glasses are on, my vision is perfect.

I can't buy this TV at any price, since it's much worse than my present TV. So it's back to waiting for the 50UT50 for me.

DTNS · « **Reply #244 on:** Aug 28, 2012 at 11:54 AM »

^ thanks for the review of the 50X50!

I'm definitely waiting for the ST50 now!

leeger · « **Reply #245 on:** Aug 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM »

Quote from: Stagea on Aug 28, 2012 at 02:43 AM

It's a case per case basis. I guess what most people mean is that even if your Plasma consumes twice as much as a same-sized LED/LCD TV, the price difference won't equate to much. How much of your bill is caused by TV use, btw?

A current 50" plasma may run 300W in-use for typical TV programming, while an equivalent LED might use 60W at the same brightness level. That sounds like a fivefold change in power consumption. But the 240W difference if used 8 hours a day and 7 days a week would just amount to 58 kW-h. If you factor in the difference in cooling bills (with AC use), that's 209MJ to take out. If your AC averages 8 kJ/W-h in actual use, that's 26 kW-h of cooling needs. The total difference would be 84kW-h per month. Since the average cost of residential electricity supposedly amounts to 11 Pesos per kW-h, that's a maximum of 924 Pesos of difference.

If you only use your TV for 3 hours per day 5 days a week, the same TV will only cost 250 Pesos more per month.

In effect: If you use your TV a lot, the price differential between a LED and a Plasma TV may be bridged by power savings over the lifespan of the TV. If you don't use it as much, then the savings won't add up.

Thanks for the insight. I'm planning to buy an hdtv this December pa naman but doing research already as early as now Hehe. Eyeing a Panasonic plasma since I'm reading a lot of positive feedbacks on their tvs.

barrister · « **Reply #246 on:** Sep 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM »

Cross-posting:

Quote from: VenoM_Unleashed on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Nagpunta ako sa Store ni Sir DOM kahapon ng umaga...

Nakita ko din sa corner ng store may bago silang unit ng Panasonic 42ST50, ganda ng PQ saka parang LED, manipis

Quote from: revskie on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Nakanamboogie! Kelan kaya yung 50ST50?

Quote from: ninjababez® on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM

next week or this weekend

ninjababez® · « **Reply #247 on:** Sep 13, 2012 at 10:19 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Cross-posting:

can't wait either bro

barrister · « **Reply #248 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 09:28 AM »

False alarm ...

Clondalkin · « **Reply #249 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM »

To be late by a full year, but in return be able to buy a 50VT50 locally at around 60K - not so bad ne.

barrister · « **Reply #250 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 01:48 PM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Sep 28, 2012 at 10:11 AM

To be late by a full year, but in return be able to buy a 50VT50 locally at around 60K - not so bad ne.

Nasasabi mo lang yan sir kasi wala pang 2013 release.

Sa 2013, mura nga ang 50VT50 sa Pinas. Pero sa 2013 din, laos na ang VT50 kasi may VT60 na sa US...

barrister · « **Reply #251 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 05:54 PM »

From Panasonic Phils --- 50XT50 plasma (2012):

50XT50 --- 720p, active 3D, WiFi ready, web browser

http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/plasma/xtseries/VIERA_TH-P50XT50X

Note: All 3 of the current 2012 plasma models from Panasonic Phils. have the country code "X": 42X50X, 50X50X, and 50XT50X. "X" stands for "Mexico."

ninjababez® · « **Reply #252 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 10:39 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 28, 2012 at 05:54 PM

From Panasonic Phils --- 50XT50 plasma (2012):
50XT50 --- 720p, active 3D, WiFi ready, web browser

http://www.panasonic.com.ph/wps/portal/home/products/digitalav/tv/plasma/xtseries/VIERA_TH-P50XT50X

Note: All 3 of the current 2012 plasma models from Panasonic Phils. have the country code "X": 42X50X, 50X50X, and 50XT50X. "X" stands for "Mexico."

Display Resolution 1,024 (W) x 768 (H)

barrister · « **Reply #253 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 11:29 PM »

Wala ngang kuwenta yan sir...

Iba na ang mga bagong 720p ngayon, kita ang native pixels. From around 8 feet, mas makinis pa nga ang picture ng lumang 480p plasma ko...

ninjababez® · « **Reply #254 on:** Sep 28, 2012 at 11:33 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 28, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Wala ngang kuwenta yan sir...

Iba na ang mga bagong 720p ngayon, kita ang native pixels. From around 8 feet, mas makinis pa nga ang picture ng lumang 480p plasma ko...

kaya nga bro eh. initial plan was to get 51" samsung or 50" x50 pana, buti nalang nagpa"buyo" ako kay bro allan.

Macmon · « **Reply #255 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM »

I think kaya kita ang pixels ng new models is because of the BIG screen size. Are the older units mentioned for comparison also in 50 or 51 inches? If it is smaller then definitely the 720 or 400+ resolution wont be to visible.

ninjababez® · « **Reply #256 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 11:33 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 28, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Wala ngang kuwenta yan sir...

Iba na ang mga bagong 720p ngayon, kita ang native pixels. From around 8 feet, mas makinis pa nga ang picture ng lumang 480p plasma ko...

bakit yung PV80 ko noon, mas OK pa sa CX20 na nabili ko, same resolution lang sila IIRC.
lalong mas maganda ang PV80 vs my previous LG 3d plasma. $:-\$
parang niloko ko lang sarili ko dahil mas malaki yung mga bagong bili ko vs my old 42PV80, kaya isip ko maganda pq

barrister · « **Reply #257 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM »

Quote from: Macmon on Sep 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM

I think kaya kita ang pixels ng new models is because of the BIG screen size.

My present plasma TV is 50C10, 50" 720p. The plasma TV I looked at was 50X50, also 50" 720p. The 50X50 looks much worse, even if it also has a 720p resolution.

I keep repeatedly saying that the pixel structure of the new X50 is different.

On the 50X50, I noticed fine vertical stripes on white areas of the picture. When I moved in closer, I saw that the fine stripes were actually the side walls of the pixels.

It's not about pixel size, it's about pixel structure.

DTNS · « **Reply #258 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM »

I got to see a 50X50 on display at Listen Up, Glorietta. IMO, the picture quality is "noisy"! $:-\$

barrister · « **Reply #259 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM »

Quote from: DTNS on Sep 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I got to see a 50X50 on display at Listen Up, Glorietta. IMO, the picture quality is "noisy"! $:-\$

Video noise such as dithering is normal on plasmas when your viewing distance is too close. Magkaibang aspect siguro yung napansin natin.

Get close (about 4 feet) and look for fine vertical stripes composed of the side walls of the pixels.

Move farther (about 7 feet) and you will see that the fine stripes will still be visible on white areas.

Move farther (about 10 feet). OK na ang picture? Hindi pa rin. Look for curved edges on graphics or letterings. Instead of a smooth curve, you'll see jagged edges (stair-stepping). Plus, you'll still see some hint of the annoying fine stripes on white areas.

Compare with LCDs/LEDs nearby, and observe how much cleaner the images are on the 720ps. Sure, the 720p LED has the advantage of smaller size (32"). But all you have to do is use a closer viewing distance for the LED, and a farther viewing distance for the 50X50, and you even up the comparison. You'll conclude that there's just something wrong with the picture on that 50X50.

DTNS · « **Reply #260 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 07:39 PM »

I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far!

nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D?

barrister · « **Reply #261 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 08:56 PM »

Quote from: DTNS on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:39 PM

I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far!

Buti ka pa sir. Ako, nakakita na ng 65ST50 sa Listening Shang, kaya lang, naka-off yung TV ...

Quote from: DTNS on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:39 PM

nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D?

Weird talaga ang Panny Phils.

A few months ago, ang 2012 lineup nila ay: 42X50, 50X50 and 65ST50. Yung ayaw ko, meron sila. Yung gusto ko, wala sila.

They recently changed their plasma lineup on their website (a few days ago lang yata). Wala nang 65ST50 ngayon. Ang meron, 42X50, 50X50, and 50XT50. 720p lahat yan. Walang 1080p plasma kahit isa. Weirdo talaga ...

frontANDcenter · « **Reply #262 on:** Sep 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM »

^Now that's messed up.. Kaya talon ka na din Sir Barrister sa VT30 bandwagon.

timber715 · « **Reply #263 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 12:14 AM »

Quote from: DTNS on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:39 PM

I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far!

nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D?

napaisip yuloy ako ng husto.... I didn't know kasi na meron palang 720p na st50 that I had to check what I ordered

buti na lang 1080p

dodie · « **Reply #264 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 12:54 AM »

Quote from: DTNS on Sep 29, 2012 at 07:39 PM

I got to see the Panasonic 65ST50 earlier at SM Appliance. it has got to be the best plasma tv I've seen so far!

nakakapagtaka lang ang plasma tv line-up ng Panasonic Philippines: 42X50K, 50X50K, 50XT50K, at 65ST50. puro 720p tapos biglang top-of-the-line 65" Full HD 3D?

Chief magkano tag price 65st50 sa SM?

barrister · « **Reply #265 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 01:02 AM »

Quote from: timber715 on Sep 30, 2012 at 12:14 AM

napaisip yuloy ako ng husto.... I didn't know kasi na meron palang 720p na st50 that I had to check what I ordered buti na lang 1080p

Walang 720p ST50 sir.

X50 & XT50 are 720p.

U50, UT50, ST50, GT50 and VT50 are all 1080p

dodie · « **Reply #266 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 01:14 AM »

@barrister

Atty, have you asked LIS sa presyo ng 65st50?

DTNS · « **Reply #267 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 09:14 AM »

Quote from: dodie on Sep 30, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Chief magkano tag price 65st50 sa SM?

209k bro.

I'd definitely choose this over Sharp's 80" LED TV!

barrister · « **Reply #268 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM »

Quote from: dodie on Sep 30, 2012 at 01:14 AM

@barrister

Atty, have you asked LIS sa presyo ng 65st50?

Sorry sir, makalimutan ko na, hindi kasi ako interesado ...

Pero 200K+ din in July. It should be cheaper now.

kane · « **Reply #269 on:** Sep 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Sep 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM

My present plasma TV is 50C10, 50" 720p. The plasma TV I looked at was 50X50, also 50" 720p. The 50X50 looks much worse, even if it also has a 720p resolution.

I keep repeatedly saying that the pixel structure of the new X50 is different.

On the 50X50, I noticed fine vertical stripes on white areas of the picture. When I moved in closer, I saw that the fine stripes were actually the side walls of the pixels.

It's not about pixel size, it's about pixel structure.

iirc, ang mga 50in plasma few years ago, resolution nila is 1366x768. Ngayon kahit mga 50in, if not full hd, 1024x768 na din. I wonder why, cost cutting?