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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #60 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 09:45 AM »
No pics of the Power supply PCB s right now.. this is what i have











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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #61 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 09:55 AM »

ganda nga nyan sir....  :o

naisip ko tuloy yung aking akai na receiver ... pagmeron na akong time buksan ko rin...  ;D
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #62 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 09:55 AM »
Just called no minimum order, but subject to delivery charge.

Physical inventory is in Singapore and US, 5-8 days for singapore based items and 10 -13 days for US based items



i would imagine so.....i have yet to order anything from them.....pero i got a call from a staff, she sounded polite and asked if i needed anything or if another salesman called.....i suspect that their service is quite good...

 
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #63 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 09:59 AM »
May issue ba if the capacitor is physically smaller but the same ratings for capacitance and voltage ?

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #64 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 10:08 AM »
May issue ba if the capacitor is physically smaller but the same ratings for capacitance and voltage ?

applicable din 'ata dito yung "size does not matter" ... ::)  but performance  does....  :D
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #65 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM »
applicable din 'ata dito yung "size does not matter" ... ::)  but performance  does....  :D

some girls also have that view.... :D :D :D

seriously, capacitor technology has grown by leaps and bounds.... ;D

inabutan ko pa yung caps na pag inalog mo ramdam mo yung liquid sa loob, wala na nyan ngayon..... :D
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #66 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 10:23 AM »
I just realized and hirap pala magpalit ng parts pag ikaw may ari ng gamit hehehe .. brand, reliability, size  and fake components comes into the picture... hehehe

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #67 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM »
go with known brands and you can hardly go wrong.....get them from reliable sources and ease you mind.....
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #68 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 10:27 AM »
Not sure if I have the patience to wait for 2 weeks for the parts from online store...

tempted to go to Deeco, just not sure if infiltrated na ng fake parts...

go with known brands and you can hardly go wrong.....get them from reliable sources and ease you mind.....

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #69 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM »
not to mention blown fuse or diodes.



kaya nga naimbento ang Soft Start circuits. naman...  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #70 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM »
some girls also have that view.... :D :D :D

seriously, capacitor technology has grown by leaps and bounds.... ;D

inabutan ko pa yung caps na pag inalog mo ramdam mo yung liquid sa loob, wala na nyan ngayon..... :D


wag mo na masyado ikwento yun mga inabutan mo... baka mahalata...  :D

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #71 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 11:52 AM »
Not sure if I have the patience to wait for 2 weeks for the parts from online store...

tempted to go to Deeco, just not sure if infiltrated na ng fake parts...



Sa Alexan try mo din, so far wala pa naman ako nakita fake sa kanila...


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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #72 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 05:03 PM »

kaya nga naimbento ang Soft Start circuits. naman...  ;D ;D ;D

During start-up (t = 0) the input only sees a short circuit due to the bulk capacitor. Immediately after switch is turned on there is a large current spike (inrush current, i = C x dV/dt, since t is almost 0 and i becomes very very large). At this time, the bulk capacitor is starting to charge. And at this time, there is still no sufficient voltage for the soft start circuit to be activated. So how can the soft start circuit work?

A way to control the inrush current is to put a thermistor in series (this is not a soft start circuit) with the AC line. However, it is still not enough to significantly reduce the inrush current. As such, there is still possibility of fuse blowing up.
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #73 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 05:17 PM »

kaya nga naimbento ang Soft Start circuits. naman...  ;D ;D ;D
schwinngg!!!  ;D

maganda yung article ni pareng rod tungkol dyan: http://sound.westhost.com/articles/inrush.htm
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While it is a fairly common suggestion (and used by some people), thermistors are completely useless in any equipment that draws a widely varying current during normal operation. Power amplifiers are a case in point
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #74 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 05:28 PM »
A way to reduce inrush current is a thermistor. The article discusses the disadvantages of a thermistor in a power amplifier. How about other equipments? Still it can reduce inrush current - this is the point.

The question is how does the electronic soft start circuit work to reduce inrush current where there is barely enough supply voltage to turn it on during start-up?
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #75 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 05:52 PM »
During start-up (t = 0) the input only sees a short circuit due to the bulk capacitor. Immediately after switch is turned on there is a large current spike (inrush current, i = C x dV/dt, since t is almost 0 and i becomes very very large). At this time, the bulk capacitor is starting to charge. And at this time, there is still no sufficient voltage for the soft start circuit to be activated. So how can the soft start circuit work?



Because it's in the primary.

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A way to control the inrush current is to put a thermistor in series (this is not a soft start circuit) with the AC line. .

Yes yes yes, that's what the book said.


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However, it is still not enough to significantly reduce the inrush current. As such, there is still possibility of fuse blowing up

The fuse or the thermistor itself can blow up too.


A way to reduce inrush current is a thermistor. The article discusses the disadvantages of a thermistor in a power amplifier. How about other equipments? Still it can reduce inrush current - this is the point.


We are talking about audio power amplifiers, yes? Of course it can, NTCs are designed to do specifically that.

Me, I, Myself, Mark or Rod didn't say it does not, but not for an equipment such as an audio power amplifier that has varying current during normal operation. That is the point.

However, if you are happy using it in real life, not on paper, then do so with indulgence.


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The question is how does the electronic soft start circuit work to reduce inrush current where there is barely enough supply voltage to turn it on during start-up?

Because the electronic soft start does not rely on the supply voltage of the charging caps. So it doesn't matter if t=0 or if e=mc2, the soft start doesn't care - it's designed to be a separate entity.

I am sure you are already well aware of this.



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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #76 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 06:02 PM »
I beg the TS's pardon for all this OTs but here's another one. Just for the sake of clarity and understanding.

Below is a basic audio power amplifier with a power supply that has lots and lots of capacitance and NarniaTM diodes that money can buy.

On top of that eighteen pound toroidal transformer are two boards, the one on the right is an electronic soft start circuit. It has not blown any fuse, has not welded it's power switch's contacts, doesn't dim the lights during power On and most of all it doesn't use a thermistor.






It is an existing and working testament that soft start circuits work.

Again, I hope the TS doesn't mind and I bid him the best of luck in hunting down his caps of choice.




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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #77 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 06:13 PM »
I am aware that you are referring to a soft start circuit in the primary.

Since you brought up soft start circuit to reduce inrush current, I am just curious how does it work out. In our work, we use soft start circuit but not in inrush current limiting.

Anyway, back to the topic. You can source your capacitors here ...

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #78 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 06:35 PM »
I am aware that you are referring to a soft start circuit in the primary.

Since you brought up soft start circuit to reduce inrush current, I am just curious how does it work out. In our work, we use soft start circuit but no in inrush current limiting.


Very well, you'll have to go back to the basics for it's just basic Ohm's Law. To reduce current (inrush current for that matter), a resistance is introduced in the primary which reduces the amount of inrush current to a manageable level while at the same time giving the bulk filter capacitors enough charge during power up. Unlike a thermistor, this resistance is shorted out and taken out of the primary circuit after a brief, predetermined time.

This of course is a linear power supply, I am sure your line of work involves more complicated soft start and active inrush current limiting.

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #79 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 06:40 PM »
Ok. Maraming salamat.

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #80 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 07:18 PM »
kailngan pa bang imemorize yan? :D :D :D
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #81 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 07:24 PM »
No worries about the OT, later  check out my new thread, Where to buy Audiophile silver solder for capacitor soldering  ::)

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #82 on: Aug 28, 2012 at 07:38 PM »
You can also source your capacitors here. They have good quality and original capacitors.

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #83 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 05:52 AM »
No worries about the OT, later  check out my new thread, Where to buy Audiophile silver solder for capacitor soldering  ::)

just for backgrounders.....i use Hosiden from Watsons.....
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250356
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #84 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 06:33 AM »
is this walking distance from Shang ?


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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #85 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 06:35 AM »
Yes. About 5 to 10minutes. They are open from Mon to Fri however, it is best to call first so that they can ready your order. Best if you call from Mon to Thu as there stock person only works on these days.
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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #86 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 06:46 AM »
Thanks

Yes. About 5 to 10minutes. They are open from Mon to Fri however, it is best to call first so that they can ready your order. Best if you call from Mon to Thu as there stock person only works on these days.

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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #87 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 08:19 AM »
Pakisabi na lang ng "Hello" kay Ma'am Digna para sa akin. Matagal tagal ko na siyang hindi nababati.

Dagdagan ko lang ang nasabi ko tungkol sa thermistor (kasi nga may disadvantage sa power amplifier) sa may inrush current limit. Since hindi nga maganda na siya lang ... kaya ... mag-parallel na lang ng relay sa kanya. Bale ang mangyayari habang start-up doon muna sa thermistor dumaan ang kuryente tapos kapag nakapag-charge na iyung bulk capacitor o stable na ang supply i-activate o paganahin iyung relay para doon na dumaan ang kuryente ...


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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #88 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 08:29 AM »

Sumagot si  Digna..
   
  Yung bunso mo paanaugutan mo at wala ng gatas, hangang sa makalawa na lang daw ang gatas at yung pang tuition daw ng panganay, naniningil na yung kahera ng  Ateneo

Pakisabi na lang ng "Hello" kay Ma'am Digna para sa akin. Matagal tagal ko na siyang hindi nababati.

Dagdagan ko lang ang nasabi ko tungkol sa thermistor (kasi nga may disadvantage sa power amplifier) sa may inrush current limit. Since hindi nga maganda na siya lang ... kaya ... mag-parallel na lang ng relay sa kanya. Bale ang mangyayari habang start-up doon muna sa thermistor dumaan ang kuryente tapos kapag nakapag-charge na iyung bulk capacitor o stable na ang supply i-activate o paganahin iyung relay para doon na dumaan ang kuryente ...



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Re: Elna capacitors, where to buy ?
« Reply #89 on: Aug 29, 2012 at 08:49 AM »
ipa DNA na yan..... :D :D :D
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