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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #60 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 02:25 PM »
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Wag naman maginggit? :-( So ano connection mo ngayon sa PJ mo brader? HDMI or VGA? :p Kuha sana ako hanap ako ng 24 months to pay hahaha! Nakita ko nga sa page mo, ang lupet!!!

HDMI brader, meron kasama na DVI-HDMI cable ung glasses. Tnx  :)

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #61 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 02:25 PM »
You can drop by anytime, does your driver still know how to get here? txt me  ;)

Tnx bro...I can't wait to see your 3D gear in action. ;) It's been quite long since my last visit, probably he can't recall na. Will PM you about the address.

@Paul --  let me know when you are coming. ;) I want to try that 3D thing with Debbie!  ::)

Sure will let you know...hehe I foresee there will be an EB at Luther's HT soon na.  ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #62 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 02:28 PM »
Are the 3D glasses you bought a pair or a piece? :D

1 pair bro I mean,  good for 1 person lang.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #63 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 02:30 PM »
^thanks bro, a bit pricey pa pala esp if 2 or 3 kayong manunuod. Pero panigurado, the enjoyment factor is more than x2 or x3!!!

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #64 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 02:30 PM »
Tnx bro...I can't wait to see your 3D gear in action. ;) It's been quite long since my last visit, probably he can't recall na. Will PM you about the address.

Sure will let you know...hehe I foresee there will be an EB at Luther's HT soon na.  ;D

Paul, hope you can make it in the afternoon..have work at 6PM.  ;) 

Guess it's time to change that handle to dts-3D   8)

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #65 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 02:52 PM »
Compared to buying a new 1080p pj lumabas na mas mahal lang ng konti . . .

3D route
P39,9K(Acer H5360) + 9,4K(3D glasses) + 6,8K(video card) = P56,1K

1080p route
$1000 + shippping ? = around P53K  or  75K if prefered to buy locally.

. . . but mind you that 'konti' doesn't translate to the 3D experience ha, at least for me its priceless :D

yes yes. i would say the experience is well worth it brader. enjoy! sama din ako pag pumunta sina sir froot.  ;)

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #66 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 03:13 PM »
Guess it's time to change that handle to dts-3D   8)

dts-3D it is  ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #67 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 03:14 PM »
yes yes. i would say the experience is well worth it brader. enjoy! sama din ako pag pumunta sina sir froot.  ;)

Ok aynz

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #68 on: Feb 17, 2010 at 06:53 PM »
dts-3D it is  ;D

AHYEAH!!!!!!!!  

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #69 on: Feb 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM »
« Last Edit: Feb 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM by Jazzy Jake »
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #70 on: Feb 18, 2010 at 06:31 PM »
interesting read...

3D Blu-ray Player Commonly Asked Questions

Quote from the above FAQ:

1. "Two important features will make Blu-ray players able to play 3D movies. HDMI 1.4 is the latest cabling standard that supports a high bit rate necessary to send the extra data the TV needs to display two different images to each eye for the 3D effect."

2. Concerning PS3: "Partly due to the built-in graphics processing power, a firmware upgrade (due this summer) may be all you need to upgrade your PS3 to 3D. Unfortunately you won't be able to upgrade the HDMI port to 1.4 so that may become an issue."

3. Concerning AVR: "Unfortunately your old receiver won't support 3D at least full 1080p 3D that will require an HDMI 1.4 port. If you try and send an HDMI 1.4 signal through an HDMI 1.3 port, the 3D information will be stripped off before it gets passed on to the TV"

From a separate HDTV authority that reported:

1. HDMI versions 1.3 and 1.4 have sufficient bandwidth (10.2 Gbps) to transport dual 3D images with full 1080p resolution even at 60 fps frame rate.

2. Firmware upgrades could be applied to earlier HDMI versions to implement 3D protocols. The firmware upgrade could be applied to version 1.3 hardware, which already has more than the bandwidth capacity needed to transport uncompressed 3D at full resolution for each eye (3D Blu-ray).

3. In theory, the full 10.2 Gbps of bandwidth of the HDMI specification for versions 1.3 or 1.4 is not actually required to implement 3D, not even the 3D Blu-ray full 1080p dual frames, because most of its content would be 2X1080p24 (film base) or 2X1080i60 (video source) for which the 4.95 Gbps bandwidth of v1.0 would be sufficient.

There are still many questions & confusions. The worst case scenario is the requirement of HDMI 1.4 in all hardware aspects i.e. BD player, AV receiver & HDTV. These will cost an arm, leg & kidney eh. :'(
 


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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #71 on: Feb 23, 2010 at 05:06 PM »
Sony Blu-ray Players to do 3D 1080p with HDMI 1.3

"Surprisingly, Sony has announced that they’re going to be sending full 1080p 3D signals over existing cables. Of course, that’s not the whole story. . . .

. . . There’s been a lot of confusion with the advent of 3D and HDMI 1.4, and the initial word was that HDMI 1.3 just couldn’t handle 3D in 1080p. As Sony pointed out though, that’s not really the case. Their new Blu-ray players can hack a 1080p signal using your existing HDMI cords."

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/3D/Sony/Industry_Trends/Sony_Blu-ray_Players_to_do_3D_1080p_with_HDMI_1.3/4269

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #72 on: Feb 23, 2010 at 08:46 PM »

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #73 on: Feb 23, 2010 at 09:18 PM »
Sony Blu-ray Players to do 3D 1080p with HDMI 1.3
. . . There’s been a lot of confusion with the advent of 3D and HDMI 1.4, and the initial word was that HDMI 1.3 just couldn’t handle 3D in 1080p. As Sony pointed out though, that’s not really the case. Their new Blu-ray players can hack a 1080p signal using your existing HDMI cords."[/url]

Good...This reinforce the article I read earlier that HDMI 1.3 has sufficient bandwidth to transport dual 3D images with full 1080p resolution for each eye (3D Blu-ray). Strike one, one more to go.... ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #74 on: Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM »
Tatamaan ung receivers :(

Nonetheless, a good guide in upgrading and planning, from AVguru:

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All 3D Blu-ray players output FHD3D movies at 24 fps. Both LED LCD and CCFL backlit FH3D HDTVs internally convert the signal to sequential display (alternating left and right frames) at 240Hz (synchronizing with shutter glasses that provide 120 views per second for left and right eyes [120+120 =240]. All announced FHD3D plasma displays internally convert the 3D Blu-ray movie signals from “over/under” to frame sequential at 120 Hz for 60 views per second for each eye.


Surround Sound Receivers


Unfortunately, your current HDMI equipped surround sound receiver will not pass the new FHD3D signal and no upgrades are possible according to both Sony and Denon. Why? A system called EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) currently handles communications between your TV, receiver and source components and it works fine. However, when your new 3D television communicates that it is an FHD3D television, the receiver will not understand because the 3D ID was not part of the standard when your receiver was designed. The receiver will shut off the HDMI signal and your new 3D TV screen will go black.

Your only solution will be to replace your receiver with a new one that’s 3D compatible or use one of a number of available “work arounds.”  You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic’s upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate “audio only” HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital “outs” from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won’t get lossless audio and you’ll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture.

3D HDMI Cables

Will your existing 1.3 HDMI cables handle the FHD3D signal or will you have to replace them? The only way to really know is to connect it and see if they work. Some will, some won’t. If the cable can handle the 6.75 Gbps FHD3D data rate, it probably will.

There are two types of legacy 1.3 HDMI cables: Category 1 and Category 2. The former must be able to handle at least 6.69 Gbps signals; any cable that slightly exceeds its minimum requirement will work. Category 2 HDMI 1.3 cables handle signals up to 10.2 Gbps. These will certainly work.

The HDMI 1.4 standard has optional features for both TV and source component makers, including an audio return function and Ethernet connectivity (which allows one Ethernet signal to be carried to other connected components via HDMI if the maker includes this 1.4 feature).

To streamline HDMI cable selection Silicon Image dispensed with the old numerical system and replaced it with the following categories  (source: hdmi.org website):


Standard HDMI Cable
The Standard HDMI cable is designed to handle most home applications, and is tested to reliably transmit 1080i or 720p video – the HD resolutions that are commonly associated with cable and satellite television, digital broadcast HD, and upscaling DVD players.

Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet
This cable type offers the same baseline performance as the Standard HDMI Cable shown above (720p or 1080i video resolution), plus an additional, dedicated data channel, known as the HDMI Ethernet Channel, for device networking. HDMI Ethernet Channel functionality is only available if both linked devices are HDMI Ethernet Channel-enabled.

Automotive HDMI Cable
Designed for internal cabling of vehicles equipped with onboard HD video systems. Tested to a more robust performance standard, and capable of withstanding the unique stresses of the motoring environment such as vibration and temperature extremes.

High Speed HDMI Cable
The High Speed HDMI cable is designed and tested to handle video resolutions of 1080p and beyond, including advanced display technologies such as 4K, 3D, and Deep Color. If you are using any of these technologies, or if you are connecting your 1080p display to a 1080p content source, such as a Blu-ray Disc player, this is the recommended cable.

High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet
This cable type offers the same baseline performance as the High Speed HDMI Cable shown above (1080p video resolution and beyond), plus an additional, dedicated data channel, known as the HDMI Ethernet Channel, for device networking. HDMI Ethernet Channel functionality is only available if both linked devices are HDMI Ethernet Channel-enabled.



http://hdguru3d.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180:what-you-need-to-know-about-3d-and-hdmi&catid=35:hdguru3d-news&Itemid=59
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #75 on: Feb 24, 2010 at 06:51 PM »
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You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic’s upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate “audio only” HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital “outs” from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won’t get lossless audio and you’ll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture.

Good move fr. Panasonic! . . . practically no need for 3D A/V receiver upgrade. Hope same workaround applies when Sony releases its 3D firmware for the PS3. HDMI >>> connected directly to >>> 3D display and
Optical out >>> connected to receiver. Tiis muna w/o HD audio.  ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #76 on: Feb 24, 2010 at 07:36 PM »
Good move fr. Panasonic! . . . practically no need for 3D A/V receiver upgrade. Hope same workaround applies when Sony releases its 3D firmware for the PS3. HDMI >>> connected directly to >>> 3D display and
Optical out >>> connected to receiver. Tiis muna w/o HD audio.  ;D

Are you still keen on getting an HD audio even though we failed on this one during our last blind test and preferred the standard DD/DTS?  ;D 

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #77 on: Feb 24, 2010 at 08:19 PM »
Surround Sound Receivers
Your only solution will be to replace your receiver with a new one that’s 3D compatible or use one of a number of available “work arounds.”  You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic’s upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate “audio only” HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital “outs” from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won’t get lossless audio and you’ll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture.

Strike two! Only one to go! ;)
 
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #78 on: Feb 25, 2010 at 02:22 AM »
Strike two! Only one to go! ;)
 
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #79 on: Feb 25, 2010 at 06:35 AM »
congrats!

Better don't get too excited yet until the final 3D specs are out. ;D At least it's good to know some of our existing gears can be used & without the need of getting new hardwares. :)

Are you still keen on getting an HD audio even though we failed on this one during our last blind test and preferred the standard DD/DTS?  ;D 

Luther mentions using optical out to his existing AVR (no HD audio) so there is no hurry to get a 3D AVR....DD/DTS is good to go na. ;D

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #80 on: Feb 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM »
Are you still keen on getting an HD audio even though we failed on this one during our last blind test and preferred the standard DD/DTS?  ;D 

konti lang ;D cos IME not all 'encodes' are that good and I'm a bit cautious I may still crave for HD audio for topnotch titles, movies worth buying in BD . . . but still not a big deal.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #81 on: Feb 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM »
New Blu-ray 3D Disc Players From Sony Available in March



It seems that Sony is constantly working on creating a full ecosystem of stereoscopic 3D-ready products and it will not just provide us with a new range of 3D-ready TVs (BRAVIA LX900 series) and the software update to add S3D support to their PlayStation 3 cConsole, there will be much more. The Sony BDP-S570 Blu-ray Disc Player, announced at CES, for example will be the first of the company’s devices capable of playing 3D Blu-ray Disc movies with no firmware upgrade. It should be available in March with a price of about $250 USD and Amazon is already taking pre-orders with a release date announced as March 9th. If you are looking for a new more affordable Blu-ray 3D Disc Player, you’ll have another choice with Sony BDP-S470 Blu-ray Disc Player which will be ready to play Blu-ray 3D Disc movies on a 3D enabled TV after a firmware upgrade. This one is also expected in March with a price of about $200 USD and again it is already available for pre-order at Amazon with an expected release date of March 16th. Completing the “3D picture”, the range of Sony Home Cinema products recently announced at CES including the BDV-E370, BDV-E870, BDV-E970W, BDV-F500 and BDV-F700 will all also offer 3D-ready status, but they will require firmware update for the Blu-ray 3D support. With all that said, you should also not forget that the first Blu-ray 3D movie titles are not going to hit the market anytime before summer along with the compatible 3D TVs from Sony and other brands, so you should consider if you want to be prepared with a 3D-compatible player early…

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #82 on: Mar 20, 2010 at 12:56 AM »
may demo ang Sony Bravia 3D sa MOA..

i tried it and whoo..ang galing..trailers ng ps3 games..Killzone 2, Motorstorm Pacific Rift..

they don't have a price yet..
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #83 on: Mar 20, 2010 at 01:28 AM »
Yes i saw it too at moa. Looks promising but im still waiting for panasonics 3d tv.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #84 on: Mar 21, 2010 at 03:00 PM »
Trailers pa lang yan, its a another story while you're into it. Gaming is much immersive and expect extended playability, you may be tempted to pause while playing or repeat your favorite games over and over b'cos of the visual effects.  ;D
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2010 at 10:52 PM »
Looking to purchase my first projector. Was looking at the Epson 8100/ 8500UB or Panasonic PT-AE4000E, but now looking to hold out on a 3D model. I'm hoping that Epson will bring out a Full 3D Projector.
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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2010 at 07:54 AM »
Early Adoption of 3-D

Q: I was wondering if it makes any sense to wait a while before I buy 3-D hardware. I was one of the first to buy an "HD ready" TV, only to buy a "Full HD" TV two years later. Is there a chance the same thing might happen again technically? I mean, can they make 3-D "more 3-D" in a few years with certain techniques like they HD went from 720p to 1080p?

A: Early adoption of any new technology is always a risky proposition. Some people are more eager to live on the bleeding edge than others. If you're feeling skeptical about the new 3-D technology and have the patience to wait a bit, it may be a good idea to hold off buying a new 3-D TV for a product generation or two. I certainly don't see any harm in waiting… other than that you won't be able to watch 3-D content for a while, of course.

I don't think that 3-D TVs will become "more 3-D" in the same sense that HDTVs transitioned from 720p to 1080p. It looks to me like the industry has settled on the 1080p 3-D standard and plans to stay there for a while. In that respect, the 3-D rollout is likely to be much smoother than HDTV initially was. Even Blu-ray suffered the quagmire of its "Profiles" in early generation players. On the other hand, the proper technology for 3-D appears to be in place from the start for this launch.

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Re: 3D in Home Theater
« Reply #87 on: Sep 16, 2012 at 01:07 AM »
Anyone knows the easiest way to convert 3d sbs mkv to 3d anaglyph?