Author Topic: Bose Speakers (Read 197853 times)

ganicru · « **Reply #240 on:** Nov 22, 2005 at 04:23 PM »

That's the bottom line... be happy!

What ever brand it is.

cHiNo2728 · « **Reply #241 on:** Nov 22, 2005 at 06:19 PM »

We have the AcoustiMass 6. Its great for a small sala. The sub when placed in a corner will be enough to pound the room. The clarity of it whether in music or HT is very good to my amateur ears. Plus, everytime someone asks about our HT setups, they are always surprised about how such a loud sound can come from such a small package.

I guess that's good enough for me. Just my two cents.

JFBagadiong · « **Reply #242 on:** Nov 22, 2005 at 07:10 PM »

Pansin ko lang, guy's that has been impressed by BOSE are those guys who like fascination huh?

Coz, I think BOSE are more on the design hindi yung use, kase paano kung mag uupgrade ka from 5.1 to 7.1 eh ang pinaka highest model nila sa HT is AM16, 6.1 lang yun so again mahihirapan ka nanaman mag configure nito. you cant even use high grade RCA's dahil iba ang connectors nila.

plus do you know the price ng AM16? almost Php. 80T WOWOWEEE!!! too much for speakers.

And by the way yung nag post here na nag bukas ng AM bass module niya, take note, binuksan ko rin yung AM5 ko before selling it. Reality lang ibang-iba ang circuit ng AM5 Bass module na binebenta nila against dun sa naka display na plexiglass nila, "IBANG-IBA" trust me.

Roy Aceja Uy · « **Reply #243 on:** Nov 22, 2005 at 08:35 PM »

I have the AM6 na 5.1 lang ang kaya. the reason i switched to bose is simply because i have a small sala. 6.1 nga ang ampli ko but i had to sacrifice. Ok naman ang sound but mas maganda syempre yung dati ko na AE tapos polk audio sub. namiss ko tuloy!! :'(

alfa · « **Reply #244 on:** Nov 22, 2005 at 10:45 PM »

For my small den i use a Bose AM-6 setup powered by a Yamaha. RXV-740 Its small, unobtrusive and serves its purpose.

For another room we use a 301 (that i bought years ago) its still working.

But for serious music only I use my Sonus Fabers on the tubes

oweidah · « **Reply #245 on:** Nov 23, 2005 at 07:03 AM »

hi 2 all bossings! kabayan jfbagadiong thanx for sharing your bose experience. sana next time around ok na ang mabili mo audio/ht system. marami-rami na rin mapagpipilian dito sa manila but i stil suggest U spend time to audition at nang mabili mo yung tugma sa taste mo. kasi pag nakatutok ka lang sa isang brand baka pag nakabili ka na at may marinig na ibang brand kaiba ang tunog, palit agad. anyway....

i dont own/havent owned bose speakers. But early 80s when i started in this hobby puro bose na ang naririnig ko bukangbibig ng mga pinoy- bose 301 at 901 etc. that time its either the japanese brands components (pioneer sansui kenwood) brought in by the ofws or the american brands (bose a.r..). What turned me off sa bose as well as other speakers that use foam surrounds is madali mag-foam rot. just walk sa raon bangketa dami speaker repair foam surrounds- makikita mo bose. but why pinoys still go for bose? Mental coloniality? o maganda ang porma at magaling come-on ad na "directreflecting"?

fastforward 90s upto now, in my experience as ofw, pag napag-usapan ang audio preference laging may maririnig ako bose ...at pmpo. ganyan kalakas ang hatak ng bose esp. sa mga ofw. May isa ko kasama after seeing hearing and praising my audio/ht setup, reading my what hifi and hifi news mags, pagdating nga bilihan, bose AM10 pa rin ang binili. and i respectd his decision. siya ang makikinig, hindi ako.

ganyan talaga sa hobby na eto, kung saan ka maligaya doon ka!

just my mamera

bumblebee · « **Reply #246 on:** Nov 23, 2005 at 08:26 PM »

Sa hobby na ito, hindi lang ears ang nagde-decide. Marami ring ibang factors. Sari-saring factors.

JFBagadiong · « **Reply #247 on:** Nov 23, 2005 at 08:34 PM »

Totoo yan oweidah, dito sa mga kasama ko sa barko almost lahat fans ng Bose, but after telling them my stories medyo nag iiba na ng taste, at marami sa kasama ko rito very interested sa HT kaya ayun I give them advise. yung isa ko nga kasama hindi pa nadala sa Bose at bumili po rito sa St. Martin sa US ng BOSE multi media speakers USD120 and price, match niya sa MD player niya. sabi ko dapat nag JBL at ipod nalang siya, ayun ang sisi at pilit binebenta yung BOSE niya. its a big lesson for him.

oweidah · « **Reply #248 on:** Nov 23, 2005 at 08:40 PM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:26 PM

Sa hobby na ito, hindi lang ears ang nagde-decide. Marami ring ibang factors. Sari-saring factors.

#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs?

JT · « **Reply #249 on:** Nov 23, 2005 at 08:49 PM »

Quote from: oweidah on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:40 PM

#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs?

For the married ones, WAF is the ultimate factor.

oweidah · « **Reply #250 on:** Nov 23, 2005 at 09:01 PM »

Quote from: JT on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:49 PM

For the married ones, WAF is the ultimate factor.

opkors she d bose!?

WAF- hiwalay kung hiwalay = biwire!? sayo ang HT akin ang audio!

sir jfbagadiong, sadya p0 ganyan talaga ang panlasa ng pinoy! keep on sailing!!!

bumblebee · « **Reply #251 on:** Nov 24, 2005 at 05:18 AM »

Quote from: oweidah on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:40 PM

#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs?

Peer pressure, brand perception.

oweidah · « **Reply #252 on:** Nov 24, 2005 at 10:14 AM »

Quote from: bumblebee on Nov 24, 2005 at 05:18 AM

Peer pressure,

delikado p0 b et0? nakakahawa parang bird flue? birds of the same feather.........

to bose speaker owners, pwede p0 malaman if hindi na nagkakaproblema sa cone edge/ surrounds ng new models? thanx

av_phile1 · « **Reply #253 on:** Nov 24, 2005 at 10:36 AM »

Quote from: oweidah on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:40 PM

#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs?

Many times, a little research can assist decision making in our purchases. Especially when such purchases require relatively more funds than normal. Finding reviews and comments on the internet about certain products we may be targetting is not that hard. It's called due diligence - finding out the most we can about what we want to buy. Forums like this is another channel. They should help members identify and distignuish products with excellent value from those with less. Just my 2 cents.

JFBagadiong · « **Reply #254 on:** Nov 24, 2005 at 04:08 PM »

If I were knowledgeable enough nung time na yun, sana nag JBL nalang ako, ang target ko lang naman that time are speakers that are loud and clear, tapos usable both HT at audio listening at 3rd na lang yung size. coz I were sinful enough to spend that much money, kaya ayun na biktima at the same time wala pang nag aadvise about BOSE products, pero now I can say pag dating sa HT at audio listening eh hindi ako nahuhuli, may mga pointers na akong tinitignan lalong-lalo na sa expandability like 5.1 to 7.1.

When I had those BOSE AM5, hindi ko alam kung paano i-upgrade dahil ang hirap mag timbre match ng speakers lalong-lalo na sa subwoofer, HAY! TAKE MY WORD FOR IT ANG HIRAP MAG MATCH NG SUBWOOFER sa BOSE, I've tried GanzKlar, Dyanquest pero hindi parin maganda ang lumabas, ang layo ng bakanteng tunog from those cube to bass module to subwoofer, halatang-halata yung nawawalang effects sa movies.

Nag audition ako ng speakers right after maibenta ko yung BOSE speakers and my friend has told me to hear Definitive technology. He bought Pro 80 with sub and I just gave him my free Dai-ichi center speaker nung binili niya yung RXV995 ko. at WOW very very stunning performance ang Pro80 very detailed ang tunog compared sa BOSE AM5, when we watched this particular movie "Saving private ryan" yung tunong ng squeeching!!! wheels ng tanks nung sinugod na ng mga Germans sila Tomhanks, oh! boy! kala mo masasagasaan ka sa tunog. and yung detalye ng passing bullet talagang ang lupit! hindi ko narinig sa BOSE ang narinig ko sa Definitive Pro 80 at kung ikukumpara mo, almost the same ang size nila at mas cheaper pa ang pro 80.

Then we tried the corrs CD ang lupit talaga kahit sa audio, yung pro sub 80 niya kahit nasalabas na kami, gumagapang yung vibration sa walls ng bahay nila, hindi ko nga akalain na ganun ang kayang iproduce na power nun eh.

But there's one thing that bother's me, coz several times yung friend ko nagpasamang ipa-repair yung pro-sub at pro-80 niya may problema daw. na o-over power ng RXV995 at may design fault yata ang definitive tech nung time na yun, kaya hindi na muna ako bumili. Biniro ko pa nga yung friend ko, I told him the right name for your speakers are Defective Technology hehehe!, but I think Def. Tech. has corrected this problem at galing talaga ng service nila, my friend's pro-cinema are like new speakers at mukhang naging much detailed at powerful pa after the repairs.

For those who seek HT at audio listening, better try listening to other products than BOSE, coz when I analyze the sound at i-compare sa local brand, mukhang maganda pa yata ang dai-ichi compare sa BOSE with less the price eh hehehe! just for my thought.

P.S. - Hello to all SGS employees specially SGS MLO batch 96-2002, happy HT at audio listening sa inyo!!!

JT · « **Reply #255 on:** Nov 24, 2005 at 04:31 PM »

I have nothing against BOSE because I dont have BOSE. So oks lang kami ...

BTW. Can someone comment on their headphones?

av_phile1 · « **Reply #256 on:** Nov 24, 2005 at 04:54 PM »

Quote from: JT on Nov 24, 2005 at 04:31 PM

I have nothing against BOSE because I dont have BOSE. So oks lang kami ...

BTW. Can someone comment on their headphones?

I think I saw a pic of one of their headphoes. They look nice.

ganicru · « **Reply #257 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 10:15 AM »

Yung AM5 yata hindi design for HT. Mine is AM7 with 3 cubes for LCF, Model 100 for my rear. Hanep naman sa Saving Priv Ryan at sa mga concert DVD's. Dagdag lang ako ng powered sub , Pioneer SW200 (200W), yanig lalo ang buong bahay. Siguro next time sa pagbuo natin ng set-up, make sure kung pang HT or serious audio, Kasi sa palagay ko mahirap talagang humanap ng all-in-one eh, laging may bitin.
Payo lang to.

bumblebee · « **Reply #258 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 10:20 AM »

Quote from: ganicru on Nov 25, 2005 at 10:15 AM

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Kasi sa palagay ko mahirap talagang humanap ng all-in-one eh, laging may bitin.
Payo lang to.

Dagdag ko lang...mahirap humanap ng all-in-one na affordable.

bumblebee · « **Reply #259 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 12:57 PM »

Quote from: oweidah on Nov 24, 2005 at 10:14 AM

delikado p0 b et0? nakakahawa parang bird flue? birds of the same feather.........

It's not so bad. If you have 10532 friends telling you that this or that speaker is good then it must good, right?

vtec3 · « **Reply #260 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 02:08 PM »

Dati all Bose ang speakers ko for my HT set-up, now yung 3 Series na lang ang ginagamit ko as my surround speaker

The rest of the speakers naka tago na lang

Although I learned naman something from the experience

vtec3 · « **Reply #261 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 02:28 PM »

My Dad also owns a Bose speaker also bought in the US, wala pang one year nagkaroon ng static and ang sabi pa Fedex daw namin yung speaker para ma repair ngek

JFBagadiong · « **Reply #262 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 02:48 PM »

Siguro may kanya kanya lang talga tayong taste at definition pag dating sa HT at audio listening, well having the expirience in audio/video for 16 years and even witnessed the turn of events sa audio industry, based on my opinion lang naman between this 2 speakers;

Bose uses full range drivers ang hindi ko lang alam kung dual voice coil ang cubes nila, dahil kung single ended at edgewound according to them not mentioning the materials used for their voice coils, eh I think limited and production ng high notes dahil sa cone excursion for mid bass frequency nito, kaya kung mapapansin mo limitado ang mid frequency at highs nito, yung tipong tailored lang para mahabol ng bass module yung cutoff frequency ng cubes, while...

Definitive Pro 80 naman uses 2 way dedicated drivers sa isang box, isang mid bass range speaker at aluminum dome tweeter, at lahat naman tayo dito ay alam na kung ang speakers mo ay may full array speakers sa isang speaker box ay makakaproduce ito ng tamang notes ng walang kahirap-hirap dahil dedicated ang isat isa (eg. tweeters for highs, mid bass for mid range) tapos yung frequency cut off for low ay hinahabol naman ng subwoofer, so completo ang trabaho. kung baga "mise en plas" every thing is in place before doing the job.

kaya on my final judgement between hearing those two speakers;

BOSE are good tailored speakers, hindi ka nya bibigyan ng ear fatigue, and the designs are really nice hindi siya obstractive sa furniture, ang cons lang naman nito ay price vs materials eh, I think ang binabayaran mo sa BOSE is not only the name it self but the research ng team of engineers sa BOSE kase kakaiba ang mga buffle designs nila.

Definitive tech naman are award winners pag dating sa performance at price kasi you can upgrade or expand yung present def tech, unlike sa bose na limitado, plus the materials are really high end, very traditional ang designs nila may tweeters may mid bass at may low frequency drivers like subwoofer and for years now ang ganitong designs are already well proven na.

kaya still the final word is you ikaw ang end user eh so its your call.

compare this 2:

bumblebee · « **Reply #263 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 03:06 PM »

Quote from: JFBagadiong on Nov 25, 2005 at 02:48 PM

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I think ang binabayaran mo sa BOSE is not only the name it self but the research ng team of engineers sa BOSE kase kakaiba ang mga buffle designs nila
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Ang binabayaran sa Bose ay yung napakahusay na Marketing Team nila. As for Bose Research, I don't buy that.

ganicru · « **Reply #264 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 04:41 PM »

Baka magmulto si Dr. Amar Bose. Genius pa naman ito sa speaker. Kaya nga ginaya nung mga students nya at gumawa ng NHT speakers (Now Hear This). Research muna tayo, baka lack of info tayo. More Info ...more solid we can make decisions.

Just me.

scofield · « **Reply #265 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 04:49 PM »

ganicru, av_phile1, everyone who owns a bose acoustimas,

please enlighten me...

sirs hindi ko po alam talaga at nagtataka talaga ako kung paano nakakapag produced ng malakas na sound ang napakaliit na mga cube? ang mga cube ba connected sa avr mo or sa subs? pag dinirecta sa avr ang mga cube (hindi pinadaan sa subs) ano po ba ang mang yayari?

kung sa subs naman connected ang mga cube, bakit kailangan pa ng avr? di ba pwede na rin sya irecta sa player?

ganicru · « **Reply #266 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 05:06 PM »

Kailangan mo pa rin ng AVR or amp. Yung speaker out ng AVR ikonek mo sa spkr input ng bass module at yung speaker out ng bass module ikonek mo sa cube spkrs. Bawal ikonek ng derecho yung cubes sa avr, SIRA yun, pag ginawa mo, kasi sa bass module dun tinitimpla yung sound na ipapalabas sa cubes, maraming sirkito sa loob ng bass module kasama nung 2- 5 1/4 inches na woofers. Walang sirkito sa loob ng cubes kundi parang mumurahing maliliit na transistor radio speakers at bulak, pero, ang lakas tumunog ano! Hindi ba mukhang may utak yung gumawa nito, kaya nga mahal eh.

scofield · « **Reply #267 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 05:20 PM »

i see..sound coming out of avr is amplified na? (tama ba ako?) tapos meron pa bang amplification na nangyayari sa loob ng bass module? parang double amplification? kaya ba mlakas?

JFBagadiong · « **Reply #268 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 05:44 PM »

Dont get me wrong ganicru, I have nothing agains Bose, me myself had own bose pero kung still amazed ka parin sa technology nito, that is you. pero if your were knowledgeable enough, yung sinasabi mong NHT (now hear this) speakers are array speakers din (eg. Tweeters, midrange bass etc..), kahit student sila ni Dr. Amar Bose in which I have nothing against with eh hindi parin nila ginaya ang design nito. I think your the one who should research more, kasi hindi kaba nag tataka why they didnt use the Bose technology sa NHT nila? instead they design a more efficient and more accurate speakers yung NHT, I myself had auditioned this speakers sa Audiophile sa megamall and Im impressed with its clarity plus the piano glossy style. pero meron silang hindi natutunan kay Dr. Amar Bose "Marketing".

Plus yung sinasabi mong cubes ng Bose?, for your info, walang bulak sa loob ito iho hehehe! kung hindi isang driver tranducers na ang tawag ay tweedler driver hindi transistor radio speakers, it is mounted in a swiveling plastic moulded cube box.

At ang tinatawag mong "sirkito" sa loob ng bass module ay ang simpleng diving network, may utak nga ang gumawa nito pero meron karin, kaya dont be so amused kung ganito ang design nila. inilayo lang nila ang low frequency, dahil non directional ito at pwedeng iderect sa room kahit saan, pero take note "they use a piston like design of buffles" in which yung driver na sinasabi mo 5 1/4 woofers act as a piston. which uses air sa 3 chambers ng bass module, moving away distortion sa cone. plus it uses air to transmit sound in which very much similar or mas kilala bilang bandpass design, hindi kaba nagtataka kapag naka harap ang bass module sa corners ay mas malakas ang bass at pag nakalayo ay decreased bass naman, kasi they use air to transmitt it kaya kung mas kulob ang room mas maganda ang reproduction nito kasi mas compressed ang air environment, try putting it outside, ewan ko lang kung kaya niya ang much larger environment. ever wonder why there are free air design speakers?

So i hope you now get a little more of their design. kaya dont tell me hindi nila binayaran ang may idea ng technology nito kaya nga ang motto ng BOSE is "better sound through research" eh.

plus dun sa guy na mag kokonect ng cubes directly sa avr "dont do that" if you read the manual carefully kahit high power ang cubes na ito hindi nito kaya ang full array of frequency kaya dapat dumaan siya sa diving network sa loob ng bassmodule. similar din sa mga speaker designs, diba there are diving networks on each channels dedicated for high's-mid-lows.

kaya dont be so amazed kung nahihiwagaan ka kung bakit kahit sa liit ng cubes na ito ay kayang iproduce ang ganun kalakas na power, try hearing Definitive pro 60 baka mas magulat kapa dahil its is not only power ang kayang iproduce nito kung hindi clarity din. at idependent pa ito without the help of any bass module.

that is true power ang technology in a small package.

hattori_hanzo · « **Reply #269 on:** Nov 25, 2005 at 06:06 PM »

I think BOSE are respectable speakers in terms of audio reproduction, it has been with us for years. since BOSE has invented the 901's. I think their one of the founders of directreflecting speakers in which by the way Defitivetechnolgy uses in their bipolar towers, plus yung subsat system naman I think BOSE din, marami na ang nag immitate ng technology na ito.

BOSE is a good name but marketing ang isang cons nila dahil sa sobrang research ng speakers nila kailangan nilang bawiin ito sa marketing. medyo nalilimutan na nila ang materials. plus yung design ng mga electronics nila masyadong exclusive. hindi ka makapag upgrade o gumamit ng ibang accessories like RCA's. and kung magdadagdag ka ng speakers ay kailangan mong baguhin ang buong system.

My impression on BOSE is monopoly of their own technology similar to products such as branded computers.