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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #30 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 09:07 AM »
so true daming titles na ganito :)
baka wala lang tayong "golden eyes" bro ;D
I'm watching 720p material on my PJ about 92 inches size.. Ok naman sya so far... Or baka wala akong GoldenEye he he he

hindi ako naniniwala na wala kayong "goldeneye" kasi kahit sa dilim, magagaling kayo pumili ng numero sa aquarium  O0

i have tried 720p and 1080p material on a 65" full-hd plasma and i can't see any difference. probably i'll see the difference in resolution if my eyes are a couple of inches away from the tv. but why would i watch movies that way? siguro di lang ako mapili. sabi nga nila, less choosy more happy  O0
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #31 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 09:13 AM »
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #32 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 09:16 AM »
720p ok na , i watch 720p sa 47" ok naman, pero pag fast paced action, you'll notice da diff with 720p vs. 1080p.

maganda lang sa 1080p, you can fill in most of your screen and at fast action scenes, mas stable. then again, nasa encoding din nagkakatalo.
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #33 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 09:49 AM »
ang ayaw ko na 720p na copy ko ung bourne trilogy...sakit ng bangs ko.....
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #34 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 10:29 AM »
diba dati parang may test sa pdvd? ilan members yun? 30 ba? if they can tell if its 1080p media or 720p from a certain distance? nalimot ko na results e.. hehe

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #35 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 10:44 AM »
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Mamaya nasa thread na naman natin ang usapan na ito pasimuno si jason. wahaha.

hindi ako naniniwala na wala kayong "goldeneye" kasi kahit sa dilim, magagaling kayo pumili ng numero sa aquarium  O0

i have tried 720p and 1080p material on a 65" full-hd plasma and i can't see any difference. probably i'll see the difference in resolution if my eyes are a couple of inches away from the tv. but why would i watch movies that way? siguro di lang ako mapili. sabi nga nila, less choosy more happy  O0

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Buti ka pa masaya ka na sa 720p ako kasi di masaya. Sabi ko nga nasa nanonood yan kung choosy or not. wahaha
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #36 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 11:23 AM »
So true kapag mabilis po ang action/movement... noticeable ang difference ng 720p sa 1080p.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #37 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 12:11 PM »
Maganda yan A/B test kung 3 locations/positions relative to distance. Masmalapit kasi sa screen, mas-noticeable ang resolution.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #38 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 12:27 PM »
For a 42in, the quality is good enough,  satisfied na ako, but if it's a movie that I really like or if I know there's a lot of special effects ,  I download 1080p if possible.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #39 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 01:35 PM »
720p is enough for 42 inch and below. but if you can afford the 1080p version, i'd go for that for this weird reason - if one of your pixel dies in your 42" 1080p panel, it's less distracting cuz the pixel is smaller compared to the 720p variant.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #40 on: Jan 03, 2013 at 07:06 PM »
i have tried 720p and 1080p material on a 65" full-hd plasma and i can't see any difference. probably i'll see the difference in resolution if my eyes are a couple of inches away from the tv. but why would i watch movies that way? siguro di lang ako mapili. sabi nga nila, less choosy more happy  O0

I can attest malayo ang difference ng 720p and 1080p sa 100" screen.
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #41 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 06:27 AM »
Maganda yan A/B test kung 3 locations/positions relative to distance. Masmalapit kasi sa screen, mas-noticeable ang resolution.
double blind dapat fluffy para walang achoochoo.
mahirap puro numbers lang kasi basehan, anhin mo ba ang bitrate kung mas maganda ang encode :D

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #42 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 06:37 AM »
IMHO, some of this is psychological, knowing that the file has high bitrate, good encode etc. etc. makes the mind see things.
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #43 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 08:15 AM »
double blind dapat fluffy para walang achoochoo.
mahirap puro numbers lang kasi basehan, anhin mo ba ang bitrate kung mas maganda ang encode :D


Pano naging mas maganda ang encode kung ang source nung encode is yung sa source din na mas mataas ang bitrate. Parang sinabi mo na mas maganda ang encode sa bluray. AFAIK i have tested good encode from trusted encoders but still i can see the difference of bluray from those encode.  ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #44 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 09:41 AM »
di mo nanaman ako naintindihan elmer eh.
baka mabalik tayo sa usapan laptop nyan  ;D
seriously though ang ibig ko sabihin, source vs. "untouched" vs. a very good encoded file with smaller size
without knowing which one is playing, are you sure and willing to subject yourself sa double blind test?  and if in case you fail, titigilan na ba natin pag usapan yan at i-download yan mga untouched na yan, except for porns?   :P :P
IIRC meron na nga shootout nito dati, which also involves media players.  they know there's a difference but could not tell which one is better or which one is being played by the more expensive player.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #45 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 10:52 AM »
di mo nanaman ako naintindihan elmer eh.
baka mabalik tayo sa usapan laptop nyan  ;D
seriously though ang ibig ko sabihin, source vs. "untouched" vs. a very good encoded file with smaller size
without knowing which one is playing, are you sure and willing to subject yourself sa double blind test?  and if in case you fail, titigilan na ba natin pag usapan yan at i-download yan mga untouched na yan, except for porns?   :P :P
IIRC meron na nga shootout nito dati, which also involves media players.  they know there's a difference but could not tell which one is better or which one is being played by the more expensive player.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #46 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 11:04 AM »
anyare?  :D
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #47 on: Jan 04, 2013 at 11:05 AM »
anyare?  :D
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #48 on: Jan 05, 2013 at 10:28 AM »
IMHO, some of this is psychological, knowing that the file has high bitrate, good encode etc. etc. makes the mind see things.

Totally agree... ;D
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #49 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 03:48 AM »
I totally disagree.  Anything under 4k res for 42" is trash.  O0
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #50 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 04:35 AM »
I totally disagree.  Anything under 4k res for 42" is trash.  O0
hehehe what tv did you demo bro? :)
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #51 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 07:31 AM »
hehehe what tv did you demo bro? :)

Just foolin around hehe.  The only 4k I've seen in the flesh is the Sony 84" one.

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #52 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 07:40 AM »
Just foolin around hehe.  The only 4k I've seen in the flesh is the Sony 84" one.
hahaha im sure that was a thing of beauty! ;D
masyadong mabilis ang panahon ngayon, phone ko nga 720p @ 4.3" pero pwede parin SD content :P
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #53 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 08:55 AM »
What's the meaning of the title?

720p as in "720p resolution panel" or 720p as in "720p encode"?

If the question is regarding the panel itself, then 720p at 42 inch should be enough if you dont mind seeing the pixel structure, or if you sit far enough - from around 2-meters away or farther.  But during the past 3 years or so, major CE makers have stopped any significant improvements on 720p panels, thus, napag-iwanan na ng panahon and technology.

If the question is regarding the quality of encode compared to the source, based on my observation among PDVD friends, there is a good percentage of people who like having nearly 300 titles in a single 2TB, but there is also a good amount of people who'd rather have around 150 titles in a single 2TB, and finally, there are some who would prefer to have barely 50 Full BD rips within the same 2TB.  Since all of those people seem happy, that means whether 720p or 1080p or Full BD - No Problem La - basta maganda ang encode and more importantly, maganda ang titles.  Yeah, although I personally prefer to watch Full BDs, I'd say 720p encode for a 42 inch (or even 50) is enough.  Maski nga WEB DL quality, very tolerable pa rin basta maganda ang HDTV.

Some people claim to see the difference in resolution between a 720p encode and a 1080p encode?  Really?  Sabi nga ni Pugo, Dasalasanansens! - IMO!  hehehe.  A brilliantly encoded 720p only needs to be magnified 2x in order to fit a 1080p screen. If the quality of a 720p encode is decent enough, that much magnification would not deteriorate the image quality to the point that it becomes crap and completely distinguishable from a 1080p encode - ESPECIALLY, if you have a very very very very very very very very very good HDTV.

In my observation, the discernible differences between a 720p encode and 1080p encode are as follows:
1.  Color saturation - lowering the bitrate makes the color "less rich".  But then, if you don't have the master Bluray source playing on the side, how can you establish a reference?  And also, there are Blurays which have generally dull, or dark colors, that even the master look kinda crap.  On the other hand, there are also contents which are extremely colorful that no matter how much an encode gets compressed, remains colorful enough.

2.  Compression artifacts - blocky parts, all sorts of blemishes, jagged edges here and there which are easily visible in monotonously bright areas of the image or at the edges.

3.  720p encodes would generally have less grain, thus fakely cleaned image - because grain requires a lot of bitrate.  If the source is too grainy and the encoder wants to remain transparent to such graininess, he must increase the bitrate as much as he could - thus resulting in a bigger filesize.

The main objective of prime (internal) encoding groups is to remain as transparent to the source (colors, grains, sharpness, image cleanliness, etc.) as reasonably possible and as they technically can, by manually manipulating the detailed encoding settings of the X264.  I understand that a "good" 720p encode takes at least 72 hours of non-stop encoding, while those fast scene/public releases under automated encoding settings can easily finish in hours.  Hence, a brilliant 720p encode is soooo much more challenging to make than a 1080p one, while a Remux is the easiest.
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #54 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 09:48 AM »
If the viewing distance is right.. you won't notice any difference between a 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch tv
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #55 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 09:58 AM »
If the viewing distance is right.. you won't notice any difference between a 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch tv
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #56 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM »
baliktad ata sir ???


baka what he meant was if you are viewing it from a far enough distance, you won't notice the difference. for instance, i tried to DL very small file sizes na 720p and viewed it from more than 6 feet away on my 42" tv, and kung titingnan sa malayo, medjo ok. pag nilapitan, kitang kita isang katutak na compression artifacts

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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #57 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 11:57 AM »
Usually kaya panget ang 720p files na jack sparrows kaysa 1080p file na jack sparrows din dahil yung mismong source na ginamit hindi rin maganda ang pagkakapost-process.  O0
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #58 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 01:06 PM »
What's the meaning of the title?

720p as in "720p resolution panel" or 720p as in "720p encode"?

 
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Re: Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
« Reply #59 on: Jan 16, 2013 at 04:16 PM »
totoo bang may super golden eye? yung matalas talaga mata? kaya malaman ng nanunuod kung 1080p bluray or 1080p encode? some even claim na alam nila mas maganda ang kinakalabasan na graphics sa certain video card brands compared sa certain video cards?

meron kasi guy sa ripley's believe it or not... na nafeature
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