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barrister · « **Reply #120 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 01:07 AM »

Quote from: Nelson de Leon on Jul 27, 2015 at 11:26 PM

Thank you very much Atty. Bro. barrister for those valuable insights. Pag-aralan ko mabuti yan. Hehe! Alam mo naman ako, mabagal ako sa study because madaming iniintindi. Hehe!

Ewan ko lang kung matatanggap mo yon sir... ang alam ko, kontra yon sa teachings sa inyo.

Quote from: dpogs on Jul 28, 2015 at 12:10 AM

@barrister : regarding the tithes and giving... you are right... it should not be imposed... members must not be required to give ... BUT a pastor/minister/priest must teach their member how to give... without money that church will not grow...

Tama yon sir. Kailangan talaga ng collections.

Si Pablo ay may collections din:

Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. (1 Cor. 16:1-2)

Pero hindi 10% yon.

Walang fixed percentage. Bahala na sila sa amount, "in keeping with their income."

Quote from: dpogs on Jul 28, 2015 at 12:10 AM

regarding naman sa pagiging Pastor and working at the same time... what i mean is business not entirely "not working"...

i applied that "ang hindi gumawa ay huwag kumain" in terms of a Pastor work... i always see a Pastor's work as "fulltime"... those who lead a flock and at the same have a business of his own for me is not an ideal image of a pastor... maiintindihan ko kapag nagsisimula pa lang o missionary pastor ka pa lang sa isang lugar still kakaunti pa lang ang members and members offerings is not enough to maintain church daily expenses ...medyo maiintindihan kung ang isang Pastor ay magtrabao matustusan lang ang pagkukulang...

but for me the main work of a fulltime Pastor is to lead people to God first and foremost... now if a Pastor didnt do his work - leading people to God - then wala talaga siyang makakain... walang miyembro na magbibigay ng offering...

Ok ang full time pastor na walang ibang trabaho. Hindi bawal yon.

Puwede mong sabihin na mas buo ang attention niya sa gawain pag walang distraction. Tama rin yon.

Ang hindi lang tama, yung pagbawalan siyang magtrabaho ng iba.

Ang sinasabing huwag kumain ang ayaw magtrabaho, yung miyembro, hindi yung ministro. Ang ministro ay may karapatang kumuha ng kakainin sa abuloy. Pero yung miyembrong tamad, hindi dapat kumuha ng kakainin sa abuloy ng ibang miyembro.

Quote from: dpogs on Jul 28, 2015 at 12:10 AM

ang tao kasi takot idea ng "giving", "offering"... allergic tayo sa term na ganito... na kapag ang isang simbahan nagtuturo ng ganito akala natin ay scam na lahat ng religion na nagtuturo ng "giving/offering". walang simbahan ngayon na mabubuhay kung ang miyembro nito ay hindi nagbibigay o kung ang pastor ay hindi itinuturo ang pagbibigay.

Tama na naman. No church will survive without contributions.

Ang tao, pag nakarinig ng contributions, corruption agad ang naiisip. Pero hindi naman puwede kung walang contributions.

Madalas lang maabuso yon.

Parang si Mike Velarde. Katoliko daw ang El Shaddai. Pero walang ikapu ang Katoliko, siya meron

.

Wala namang naitayo kahit isang kapilya. Pag umulan, siya may bubong sa grandstand, yung miyembro walang bubong. Sasabihin pa, huwag magpayong kasi grasya daw ng Diyos ang ulan, kaya sabi pa niya sa miyembro: "Baliktarin ang payong!" para daw masahod ang grasya. Yung mga uto-uto, binabaliktad nga ang mga payong.

Ang gusto ni Velarde, sa Quirino Grandstand lang ang pulong, kahit puwede namang may kanya-kanyang lokal. Bakit? Para centralized ang collection, hindi nadudugasan sa lokal.

Ayun, sa dami ng collection, hirap na hirap namang bilangin ang pera. Balita ko, sako-sako ang perang nakokoleta, eto na ang next Sunday, hindi pa natatapos bilangin yung previous Sunday's collection.

Yun ay noong kalakasan pa ng El Shaddai. Mahina na yata ngayon.

oweidah · « **Reply #121 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 04:22 AM »

Quote from: pekspert on Jul 27, 2015 at 08:30 PM

Nagtatawanan kaming mag kakaibigan whenever we discuss religion particularly the INC because nga of the large amount of money it involves. Kaya naghahanap kami ng ma-amo na mukha among us to be head minister and start our own religion.

Sa amin 8% lang monthly Kaya lipat na!

taxfree o may tax exemption k kim h.?

baligtad din ba pagbukas ng payong?

ilang asawa pwede? (oppsite.sex)

may sign.up bonus?

praktikal · « **Reply #122 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 05:51 AM »

pera pera pera... ibalik ang barter at ang ikapo ay puro pagkain o gamit... paano kaya nila itatabi ang mga yun? kailangan nila ng malaking bodega haha!

pekspert · « **Reply #123 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 05:55 AM »

Quote from: ojofool on Jul 28, 2015 at 04:22 AM

taxfree o may tax exemption k kim h.?

baligtad din ba pagbukas ng payong?

ilang asawa pwede? (oppsite.sex)

may sign.up bonus?

emen (<--velarde accent) to all. Plus free home theater for every sign up.

On a serious note, this reminds me of the tragic kool aid tragedy in guyana. Stupid people believing anything they hear from their headmaster.

tony · « **Reply #124 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 07:19 AM »

David Koresh in Waco Texas, no one dared question him when he imposed his will that all women in the cult were his wives....we all know what happened to them all, they burned in a hellish inferno...

oweidah · « **Reply #125 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 08:36 AM »

mahirap patunayan allegations of corruption, burden of proof.
baka mas madali pa kay binay, jose pidal o velarde

Quitacet · « **Reply #126 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Jul 27, 2015 at 09:17 PM

Iglesia ni Cristo sues expelled minister for libel
Expelled minister Isaias Samson Jr, former editor in chief of the INC publication
Pasugo, earlier accused INC general auditor Glicerio Santos Jr of corruption
Katerina Francisco
Published 11:26 AM, July 27, 2015
Updated 11:38 AM, Jul 27, 2015
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100613-iglesia-ni-cristo-libel-isaias-samson-pasugo

INC members do not sue other INC members in court.

Para sa kanila, dapat hatulan sila internally, para ang judge ay kapwa nila INC member. Kung magdedemandahan sa husgado, most likely ang judge ay hindi INC member, at hindi tama na ang dalawang tao na sa Diyos ay hahatulan ng isang judge na hindi sa Diyos.

In this case, baka ang reasoning ay tiwalag na naman si Samson, kaya hindi masasabi na sila ay nag file ng kaso laban sa isang kapatid.

This is exactly correct, atty. pag tiwalag na, hindi na kasama sa fold, at hindi na sakop ng doktrina na wag magdalahan ng usapin sa mga tao sa labas ng Iglesia ang magkakapatid.

Quitacet · « **Reply #127 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM »

Quote from: tony on Jul 27, 2015 at 12:44 PM

marami rin naman matitinong turo ang simbahan ng RC......
marami rin naman maling gawain...ang kagandahan sa RC pwede mo
batikusin na hndi ka matitiwalag....
turned off ako pag ang usapan ay sila lang ang maliligtas, ikapu, abtp....
para akin masyadong incredible na halos nakakainsulto na sa intelligence,
yung para bang gusto na talagang makapanglamang....

isn't that part of the reasons why nagkaroon ng Inquisition?

Saka kung RC believes lahat naman ay maliligtas, bakit kelangan pa ng missions to believers of other faiths?

dodie · « **Reply #128 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 11:20 AM »

Quote from: Quitacet on Jul 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM

isn't that part of the reasons why nagkaroon ng Inquisition?

Saka kung RC believes lahat naman ay maliligtas, bakit kelangan pa ng missions to believers of other faiths?

who told you sir that the RC believes na maliligtas lahat? saan mo po ito nabasa o narinig? kay pope francis?

rascal101 · « **Reply #129 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 11:52 AM »

Sa pagkaka intindi ko ang Katolikong simbahan naniniwala na puwedeng maliligtas lahat basta makinig, kumilos at mag-isip ayun sa salita ng Diyos na nakalathala sa Bibliya.

Hindi po tama na sabihin na maliligtas lahat dahil hindi naman lahat ng tao ay nakikinig, kumikilos at nag-iisip ayun sa salita ng Diyos.

oweidah · « **Reply #130 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 02:33 PM »

common yan..only us will b saved, if ur not with us u burn in hell

tony · « **Reply #131 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 03:05 PM »

hindi ko na mararamdaman....nabuhay na ako sa impernong pinas....ano pa ang bago?

rascal101 · « **Reply #132 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 03:11 PM »

Quote from: ojofool on Jul 28, 2015 at 02:33 PM

common yan..only us will b saved, if ur not with us u burn in hell

Alangan naman lahat maliligtas kahit kalokohan ginagawa. Hindi naman din tama iyon.

Kahit ba "tama" ginagawa eh. Ang tanong eh ano ba iyung "tama" na tinutukoy?

barrister · « **Reply #133 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 03:29 PM »

No, hindi ganon yon.

Ang meaning ng salitang lahat ay maliligtas, lahat ay may pag-asang maligtas kahit hindi miyembro ng samahan. Pag-asa lang, pag mabuting tao siya. Hindi yung lahat ay maliligtas pati rapist at terrorist.

Ang controversy, lahat ba maliligtas pag gumagawa ng mabuti, kahit hindi member ng specific denomination?

For example, pag sinabi ng Protestante na Solus Christus, ibig sabihin ang atheist walang pag-asa sa kaligtasan kahit mabuting tao pa siya.

Pag sinabi ng Katoliko na extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, ibig sabihin pag hindi ka Katoliko, siguradong impiyerno ka kahit mabuting tao ka pa at kahit anong kabutihan ang gawin mo.

Ganon din sa INC. Sabi nila, there is no salvation outside the INC. Meaning, pag hindi ka miyembro ng INC, siguradong impiyerno ka, kahit ano pa ang gawin mong kabutihan.

Kaya nga big deal ang tiwalag sa INC. Pag natiwalag ka, siguradong impiyerno ka kahit ano pa ang gawin mo.

Si Pope Francis naman, as quoted in news reports, ang sabi:

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

Bakit ganon? Akala ko ba ang official Catholic doctrine ay extra Ecclesiam nulla salus?

Ayun, gumulo tuloy ...

tony · « **Reply #134 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 03:36 PM »

two thousand years of Catholicism.....nothing is permanent....

Quitacet · « **Reply #135 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 04:47 PM »

^That's what I meant, what atty barrister said.

My point is sa RC ba ang faith is kahit nasa Protestantism ka, maliligtas ka? Kung oo bakit nila inusig before ang mga Protestants?

lahat naman yata ng religious organization, ang basis for missions ay "join us and you will be saved"

Otherwise kung kahit nasaan ka, pwede yan, what's the point of transfer?

barrister · « **Reply #136 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 05:27 PM »

Quote from: tony on Jul 28, 2015 at 03:36 PM

two thousand years of Catholicism.....nothing is permanent....

Hindi ganong kasimple yon sir.

Ang implication ng pagbabago ng doktrina, man-made kasi, kaya nababago.

Kung tunay na sa Diyos ang doktrina, hindi nababago.

Kaya pag sinabi mong walang permanenteng doktrina ang Katoliko, parang inamin mo na man-made ang doktrina Katolika.

tony · « **Reply #137 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 07:21 PM »

Quote from: Quitacet on Jul 28, 2015 at 10:28 AM

isn't that part of the reasons why nagkaroon ng Inquisition?

Saka kung RC believes lahat naman ay maliligtas, bakit kelangan pa ng missions to believers of other faiths?

noong araw, ang paniwala ng simbahan ang araw ang miikot sa ating mundo...
sabi ni Galileo mali yon, ang araw ang sentro ng lahat ng mga planet kasama ang mundo natin...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

pero ngayon iba na, merong earth obserbatory sa Rome na nag-aaral ng mga planeta...
muntik ng pugot ulo si Galilleo.....

and so on......marami pang kuwento....pati nga si Leonardo Da Vinci muntik na....

bakit nangangalap ng miyembro ang RC? para mas dumami ang koleksiyon...

pero and tutoo, binlinan ni Hesus si Pedro na magpalaganap ng Simbahan ni Hesus hanggang sa dulo ng daigdig....

aba eh, nangyari na nga...sa dami ng simbahan, sa dami ng koleksiyon....yun lang....

maraming pera sa relihiyon....

tony · « **Reply #138 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 07:27 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Jul 28, 2015 at 05:27 PM

Hindi ganong kasimple yon sir.

Ang implication ng pagbabago ng doktrina, man-made kasi, kaya nababago.

Kung tunay na sa Diyos ang doktrina, hindi nababago.

Kaya pag sinabi mong walang permanenteng doktrina ang Katoliko, parang inamin mo na man-made ang doktrina Katolika.

Simple lang ang doktrina ng RC.....
at hindi nagbago sa loob ng 2000 years...
at hindi na magbabago sa lahat ng panahon...

Si Kristo ang anak ng Diyos na nagkatawang tao...
Si Kristo ay Diyos...
Si Kristo ay namatay sa pagtubos ng lahat ng kasalanang minana.
ng may ikatlong araw siya ay nabuhay na mag-uli,
at nagpakita sa mga disipulo at mga ilang babae...
Si Kristo ay umakyat sa langit...
Si Kristo ay babalik sa wakas ng panahon....
siya ang huhukom sa mga nabubuhay at nangamatay na tao......
para sa akin ang kulto ay hindi naniniwala sa lahat ng ito....

wala akong alam na binilinan ni Jesus ang mga disipulo na mangalap ng abuloy....
bagkus ay mabuhay sa suporta ng mga naniniwala....
hindi upang magpayaman at mag pundar ng yaman na para sa lupa lang....

ito ang pinaniniwalaan ko....

ang tingin ko kay Kristo ay Diyos ng pag-ibig....

sovrain · « **Reply #139 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 08:02 PM »

Nice sir tony, sama ako dyan....
sir Barrister, baka may eksplanasyon ka rin tungkol sa dinuguan...may kaibigan ako na ang mga kapatid at ilang kaanak ay iba sa kanyang relihiyon, tinatanong namin sya kung bakit sya lang ang naiba, ang laging sagot, masarap daw kasi ang dinuguan ng pato..

dpogs · « **Reply #140 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 08:23 PM »

Jesus said "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.”.

CeeV · « **Reply #141 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 08:31 PM »

Boss Tony, mismo yang phrases na yan ang still and forever will be my Belief....as I've said before am not a devout one but those phrases are the pillars of my Faith.

Speaking of Dinuguan meron ako kakilala....INC pero their family business is a well known resto and one of their specialties are Gotong Batangas (soup made of coagulated blood and internal part of beef) and dinuguan hehehehe.

barrister · « **Reply #142 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 09:14 PM »

Quote from: sovrain on Jul 28, 2015 at 08:02 PM

sir Barrister, baka may eksplanasyon ka rin tungkol sa dinuguan...may kaibigan ako na ang mga kapatid at ilang kaanak ay iba sa kanyang relihiyon, tinatanong namin sya kung bakit sya lang ang naiba, ang laging sagot, masarap daw kasi ang dinuguan ng pato..

Madali lang yan sir.

Christ cleansed prohibited foods under the Old Testament. But there are still a few prohibited foods for Christians:

1. Food sacrificed to idols;
2. Strangled animals; and
3. Blood.

The following are not Old Testament Israelite laws, they are commandments for Christians under the New Testament:

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. (Acts 15:19-20)

27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. (Acts 15:27-29)

Bawal talaga sa Kristiyano ang kumain ng dugo.

Bakit weirdo ang tingin ng iba sa bawal ang dugo, samantalang napakalinaw nito sa biblya? Ewan ko sa kanila.

Related questions:

Bakit bawal sa Kristyano ang kumain ng dugo?

Ano ang ibig sabihin ng: (a) pagkain na inalay sa diyos-diyosan, at (b) hayop na binigti?

jhelenz · « **Reply #143 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 11:15 PM »

Quote from: tony on Jul 28, 2015 at 03:05 PM

hindi ko na mararamdaman....nabuhay na ako sa impernong pinas....ano pa ang bago?

kung paniniwalaan ang description ng Bible sa hell, baka maging paradise tingin mo sa pinag

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #144 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 11:48 PM »

Quote from: dpogs on Jul 28, 2015 at 08:23 PM

Jesus said "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.”.

After further reading, tungkol ata ito sa unwashed hands before eating.

dpogs · « **Reply #145 on:** Jul 28, 2015 at 11:57 PM »

Quote from: barrister on Jul 28, 2015 at 09:14 PM

Madali lang yan sir.

Christ cleansed prohibited foods under the Old Testament. But there are still a few prohibited foods for Christians:

1. Food sacrificed to idols;
2. Strangled animals; and
3. Blood.

The following are not Old Testament Israelite laws, they are commandments for Christians under the New Testament:

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. (Acts 15:19-20)

27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. (Acts 15:27-29)

Bawal talaga sa Kristiyano ang kumain ng dugo.

Bakit weirdo ang tingin ng iba sa bawal ang dugo, samantalang napakalinaw nito sa biblya? Ewan ko sa kanila.

Related questions:

Bakit bawal sa Kristyano ang kumain ng dugo?

Ano ang ibig sabihin ng: (a) pagkain na inalay sa diyos-diyosan, at (b) hayop na binigti?

How can we settle this sa verse Mark 7:18-19 na kung saan sinasabi ni Jesus na

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

simply by looking the context of the message... anong occassion meron at sino pinagsasabihan nila James to abstain from eating blood or any activities related to idolatry...

nagkaroon ng Acts 15:28-29 to settle the conflict of practice between churches of almost purely Gentiles and almost purely Jews churches...

Ang mga Gentiles christian di nila inoobserve kung ipinagbabawal nga ba talaga ang pagkain ng dugo but to avoid some confusion among conversative Jews, James told churches of Gentiles to abstain from doing so so that they may not offend some Jews christians...

walang masama naman kung pagsabihan natin na bawal kumain ng dugo ang isang grupo... ang anak ko nga pinagbabawalan kong kumain ng junkfoods o uminom ng coke... pero hindi ko puwedeng sabihin sa kanya na kasalanan ang kumain ng junkfood o uminom ng coke.... kasi naniniwala ako sa sinasabi ni Jesus na hindi ang pumapasok sa bibig kungdi ang lumalabas sa bibig "that defileth a man"...

dpogs · « **Reply #146 on:** Jul 29, 2015 at 12:11 AM »

even Paul acknowledge that ... we Christian have the liberty to do things or not to do things just to avoid to be a stumbling block to others...

example... I believed that i can eat any food as long as it is clean (hindi panis), pero kung pupunta ako sa bahay ng mg INC at maghahanap ako ng dinuguan aba eh ibang usapan na yan... I maybe become a stumbling block for them para maakay ko sila sa faith ko...

eating food sacrificed to idol is nothing... because an idol is nothing... technically there is nothing wrong eating food sacrificed to someting that is not even real... but if eathing that food will cause others to stumble in their faith then we better not do it.

ex. gutom na gutom na ako... may nakita akong rice pudding na inalay sa isang rebolto... i can eat that kung walang ibang nakatingin... pero kung andoon ang nag-alay ng rice pudding aba eh maiinsulto iyon so i need to abstain myself eating rice pudding sacrfice to idol...

Nelson de Leon · « **Reply #147 on:** Jul 29, 2015 at 12:24 AM »

Eto pala yun whole verse ng Mark 7

1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and

2 saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were "unclean," that is, unwashed.

3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders.

4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.)

5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?"

6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."

9 And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'

11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God),

12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother.

13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this.

15 Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' "

16

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.

18 "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?

19 For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

20 He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.'

dpogs · « **Reply #148 on:** Jul 29, 2015 at 12:50 AM »

Galatians 5:1 states that we Christian believes in Christ have a total liberty from the law. We are now in the age of grace.

Collosians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

since we are now in the age of grace let no man judge us according to what we eat or drink, or whether we observed the sabbath day...

and if that freedom of ours will cause others to stumble in theri faith then we have a choice to limit that freedom thus not eating some food particularly food offered/sacrificed to idol, blood, etc...

instruction in Acts 15 regarding "abstaining from specific foods" simply means that

"The church leaders were exhorting the new Gentile believers to make a clean break from their old lifestyles and not offend their Jewish brothers and sisters in the church.
The instructions were not intended to guarantee salvation but to promote peace within the early church. <quoted>"

barrister · « **Reply #149 on:** Jul 29, 2015 at 01:02 AM »

Quote from: Nelson de Leon on Jul 29, 2015 at 12:24 AM

Eto pala yun whole verse ng Mark 7

Tama yan.

Ang nangyari siguro sa iyo sir, binasa mo muna ang Matthew 15, wala yung Jesus declared all foods clean. nang binasa mo ang parallel verses sa Mark 7, nandoon na.

Jesus declared all food clean while He was on earth. Then He died, resurrected and ascended to heaven.
Then the apostles teach the new Christians to abstain from food offered to idols, strangled animals and blood.

It means food offered to idols, strangled animals and blood were not included in the cleansing of food prohibited in the Old Testament laws of Moses.

Otherwise, we would be accusing the apostles of contradicting Jesus' teaching.