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« Reply #30 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 09:50 AM »
yun nga boss e i join this forum coz my knowledge is limited in this field, alam mo yun exchanging ideas  pra mkakuha ka ng the best stuff na affordable nman.
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« Reply #31 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 09:56 AM »
boss AT ganyan ba tlaga dito? it seems that other member cannot accept that there are much better that their rig.

Sir, ang audio hobby kasi is very subjective, more on preference. what may be good to you won't be for another member here. as a courtesy we should try to refrain from insinuating "my gear is better than yours", sabi mo nga sir joining forums will help you improve your essay writing skills, part of honing your craft is reading/reviewing it before posing. join ka lang sa discussions if you feel like it & you will definitely learn a lot. enjoy dito  ;)

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« Reply #32 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:03 AM »
Sir, ang audio hobby kasi is very subjective, more on preference. what may be good to you won't be for another member here. as a courtesy we should try to refrain from insinuating "my gear is better than yours", sabi mo nga sir joining forums will help you improve your essay writing skills, part of honing your craft is reading/reviewing it before posing. join ka lang sa discussions if you feel like it & you will definitely learn a lot. enjoy dito  ;)

true, pra kcing ngalit na pinili ko yung isang item, sarap kc ng mga pagkain stin tsaka easy mag gudtym kya pti d2 sa forum may high blood. ;D
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« Reply #33 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM »
true, pra kcing ngalit na pinili ko yung isang item, sarap kc ng mga pagkain stin tsaka easy mag gudtym kya pti d2 sa forum may high blood. ;D

Iwasan din sir text speak.  ;)
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« Reply #34 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:14 AM »
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di naman sir, you need to be open minded and patient. ano lang naman yun parang debate its up to you kung accept mo or hindi we have different taste when it comes to music and audio hardware likes. minsan nagkakaroon ng mainit na debate pero pagkatapos nun e balik sa normal. kung san ka masaya thats good for you kung saan sila masaya well ok din naman yun. ;D ;D :D

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« Reply #35 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM »
i have tried taking off the DAC, so the means of connection from my source is thru earphone jack pero ang outcome is mahina yung left speaker its like your only using 1 speaker, so i put it back in.

I assume you are using a PC as a source then? Try using a cd player, or even a dvd player and play cdda and try to compare that to your PC+DAC source combo. That way it will be a dead set approach if it is really the amp/tube rolling or the source which you need to pay attention to.




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« Reply #36 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM »
jojo, i am sure you did experienced those...:D

 tube amps are unlike SS amps in terms of maintenance....
pwede kasi tanggal kabit ang tubes kasi naka socket, try doing that on an SS amp.... ;)
and that in terms of reliability they can have short lives as in pag naibagsak at nabasag....
one of the pitfall of tube rolling is when the tubes roll down from the table a into the floor,
thye make such a distint sound of braking glass......
no tube amps are bulletproof, even the branded ones suffer breakdowns just like any other
electronics...

I just wished I had more Chinese tubes to try, I heard good things about Genalex Gold Lion tubes and certainly not all of them are bad. One thing's for sure, there will be shortcuts and more often than not it's the stock tubes that suffer from their cost cuttings.

You are mentioning user induced tube destruction, though $hit happens and tubes are no match to a floor.


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« Reply #37 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:22 AM »
I assume you are using a PC as a source then? Try using a cd player, or even a dvd player and play cdda and try to compare that to your PC+DAC source combo. That way it will be a dead set approach if it is really the amp/tube rolling or the source which you need to pay attention to.

i'd love to boss kya lng wla ako mahiraman d2 na decent player ako lng kc d2 nagka gusto nito tsaka konti kc masyado pinoy d2 sa lugar nmin medyo isulated na kc, but im using flac file.
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« Reply #38 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM »
i'd love to boss kya lng wla ako mahiraman d2 na decent player ako lng kc d2 nagka gusto nito tsaka konti kc masyado pinoy d2 sa lugar nmin medyo isulated na kc, but im using flac file.

sir,  iwasan din po text speak... ;D

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« Reply #39 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM »
sir tinabal baka bago pa yang mga gears mo give it more time to sink in para lumabas tunay na sound.Ganyan din kasi nangyari sa akin dun sa dac ko kala ko hindi ka match medyo nanginginig kasi sa high notes nung magtagal e napapangiti na ko mag isa pag nakikinig. Patience sir bago mag decide he he!
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« Reply #40 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:37 AM »
boss AT ganyan ba tlaga dito? it seems that other member cannot accept that there are much better that their rig.

kaya nga ko nagpopost....maraming sulsol.....:D:D:D
pag madali kang ma-sway, talagang bibigay ka.....
we are trying to paint all sides of the bigger picture,
up to you to accept it or not,
basta kung saan ka masaya, dun ka... ;)

i just posted pics of my over 1000 tube stash here...https://www.facebook.com/tony.tecson/media_set?set=a.625867857434852.1073741842.100000349293477&type=1

teka, yung speaker mo na may sensitivity na 87db, talaga bang kaya ng tube amp mo?
kamusta ang highs?
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« Reply #41 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM »
boss AT ganyan ba tlaga dito? it seems that other member cannot accept that there are much better that their rig.

but i like this. this helps to improve my essay writing skills and english as well.  ;D ;D


I'm sorry, did I said something to hurt your feelings? Tagalog na lang. May nasabi po ba ako masama? Sa nalalaman ko inabi ko lang yun personal na experience ko. Pasensiya ka na kung naibahagi ko sa inyo.



i'd love to boss kya lng wla ako mahiraman d2 na decent player ako lng kc d2 nagka gusto nito tsaka konti kc masyado pinoy d2 sa lugar nmin medyo isulated na kc, but im using flac file.


Ganoon ba, sana makapag palit ka muna ng source mo para malaman mo lang kung hindi iyon ang problema. Mayroon din pagkakataon na bago pa ang iyong mga gamit at kailangan pang lumapat muna ang mga ito, subalit mayroon din mga tao na hindi naniniwala dito kaya nasa iyo na kung susubukan mo. Subalit yun naman ay payo lamang po, maari niyo naman palitan na yun mga tubo ng inyong amp kung sa tingin niyo ito ang may kakulangan.

Ako po ay tatahimik na muna at magtatrabaho po. Nawa'y suwertehin kayo na makakita ng mainam at mahusay na pamalit na mga tubo para sa iyong ampli.

Mabuhay po.



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Re: svetlana
« Reply #42 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM »
master tony pwede ka nang mag tayo ng tube depo he he daming tubes... grabe!
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« Reply #43 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:42 AM »
i'd love to boss kya lng wla ako mahiraman d2 na decent player ako lng kc d2 nagka gusto nito tsaka konti kc masyado pinoy d2 sa lugar nmin medyo isulated na kc, but im using flac file.

teka nasa abroad ka? eto pa ang isang source ng tubes...http://triodeelectronics.com/tubes.html at eto pa, http://www.tubesandmore.com/products/vacuum_tubes

if you are a newbie, i suggest that you stay away from buying second hand, maraming nadadali ng bentahan ng second hand, kasi nga newbie ka hindi mo alam kung ang tubes ay malapit ng matepok....
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« Reply #44 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM »
master tony pwede ka nang mag tayo ng tube depo he he daming tubes... grabe!

personal collection, pero marami pa ring kulang...they are not for sale....:D
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« Reply #45 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM »
i'd love to boss kya lng wla ako mahiraman d2 na decent player ako lng kc d2 nagka gusto nito tsaka konti kc masyado pinoy d2 sa lugar nmin medyo isulated na kc, but im using flac file.

sir try mo yung Anthony Gallo ikabit sa yaqin and see kung magustuhan mo ang SQ, you said before na ok sya sa HT,na check nyo naman po yung bias ng tube kung masyado mababa or mataas diba?i think meron naka print mismo sa ibabaw kung ano ang suggested bias para doon sa mga EL34 na tube at saan ang bias point/adjustment. check nyo din po sir yung mga glow ng tubes kung may napapansin kayong masyadong maliwanag or dim.

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« Reply #46 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM »
sir tinabal baka bago pa yang mga gears mo give it more time to sink in para lumabas tunay na sound.Ganyan din kasi nangyari sa akin dun sa dac ko kala ko hindi ka match medyo nanginginig kasi sa high notes nung magtagal e napapangiti na ko mag isa pag nakikinig. Patience sir bago mag decide he he!

good advice, newbies are eager beaver types....
meron ngang tumawag sa akin na bibile raw ng antique sound lab na 6L6 pp monoblocks,
aba, e wala pa sa kamay nila yung unit, modification agad ang iniisip...
sabi ko naman, kung ganyan ang attitude mo, bakit mo bibilin yan?
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« Reply #47 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM »
sir try mo yung Anthony Gallo ikabit sa yaqin and see kung magustuhan mo ang SQ, you said before na ok sya sa HT,na check nyo naman po yung bias ng tube kung masyado mababa or mataas diba?i think meron naka print mismo sa ibabaw kung ano ang suggested bias para doon sa mga EL34 na tube at saan ang bias point/adjustment. check nyo din po sir yung mga glow ng tubes kung may napapansin kayong masyadong maliwanag or dim.


d ko na try sir pero pangit yta kc npaka liit ng speaker ng gallo kung wla sub d mka handle ng lows. pero na try ko yung kef sa yamaha prang ordinary lng, d ka tlaga ma impress.
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« Reply #48 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM »
sir tinabal baka bago pa yang mga gears mo give it more time to sink in para lumabas tunay na sound.Ganyan din kasi nangyari sa akin dun sa dac ko kala ko hindi ka match medyo nanginginig kasi sa high notes nung magtagal e napapangiti na ko mag isa pag nakikinig. Patience sir bago mag decide he he!


mga 3 weeks ago yta sir speaker tsaka amp. bka rin beaking period pa lng kc nung first ko fire up tlagang npa kamot ako pero compare ngayon, tsaka nung unang araw compare ngayon malaki na deperensya.
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« Reply #49 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 10:55 AM »
I just wished I had more Chinese tubes to try, I heard good things about Genalex Gold Lion tubes and certainly not all of them are bad. One thing's for sure, there will be shortcuts and more often than not it's the stock tubes that suffer from their cost cuttings.

You are mentioning user induced tube destruction, though $hit happens and tubes are no match to a floor.



as for me, a tube in box is just metal and glass,
insert it in an amp and we go somewhere... ;)
i am also of the belief that a tube by itself has no sound,
you have to plug it in and listen..... :D
and the character of any amp is developed not by the tubes alone
but in tandem with its output transformer....
tubes are easy, just go and buy them and you are go...
but what about the output transformers?
if you have an amp with very good output transformers
then maybe you do not need to change tubes...
unless they are shot and needed replacing...
this is the challenge to designers...
so in this regard, i think Mang Rod Teope is tops....
he can used any tube to bend to his will....
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« Reply #50 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM »

d ko na try sir pero pangit yta kc npaka liit ng speaker ng gallo kung wla sub d mka handle ng lows. pero na try ko yung kef sa yamaha prang ordinary lng, d ka tlaga ma impress.

take note sir wag po kayo mag expect ng chest thumping bass sa EL34,base on my experience mas malalim pa ang bass nung gainclone(LM3875) ko compare sa EL34 ko noon at KT88 ko ngayon,pero pagdating sa mid and high ibang usapan na. :) :) :). brand new nyo po ba nabili yung MC10T? baka po kailangan pa ding i break-in lalo na yung mga tubes.

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« Reply #51 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM »
sir try mo yung Anthony Gallo ikabit sa yaqin and see kung magustuhan mo ang SQ, you said before na ok sya sa HT,na check nyo naman po yung bias ng tube kung masyado mababa or mataas diba?i think meron naka print mismo sa ibabaw kung ano ang suggested bias para doon sa mga EL34 na tube at saan ang bias point/adjustment. check nyo din po sir yung mga glow ng tubes kung may napapansin kayong masyadong maliwanag or dim.


yung bias ko nga pla sir try ko last week ng 375 mv as advised by other forum site, pero ngayon tinaas ko 390 mv. maitanong ko nga pla sir kung kailan ako pwede mag tube rolling?
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« Reply #52 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM »

d ko na try sir pero pangit yta kc npaka liit ng speaker ng gallo kung wla sub d mka handle ng lows. pero na try ko yung kef sa yamaha prang ordinary lng, d ka tlaga ma impress.
pwede ka din magkabit ng sub sa tube amp as what I did sir kulang din sa bass yung full range ko so i integrated a sub ayun swak!
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« Reply #53 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM »

teka, yung speaker mo na may sensitivity na 87db, talaga bang kaya ng tube amp mo?
kamusta ang highs?

d ko msabi sir kc d ko tlaga narinig to mkakabit sa tube, nung na auditioned ko kc to sa arcam nka kabit d ko lng alam ang model ng arcam. sa akin mas nagustuhan ko sya kay sa b&w 685 pero yung b&w nman sa denon nkakabit.
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« Reply #54 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:11 AM »

yung bias ko nga pla sir try ko last week ng 375 mv as advised by other forum site, pero ngayon tinaas ko 390 mv. maitanong ko nga pla sir kung kailan ako pwede mag tube rolling?


actually anytime pwede ka mag tube rolling kung may budget ka. pero ang advice kasi ng karamihan break-in mo muna yung gear kasi baka pag nagpalit ka then yung ipinalit mo pangit din pala sayang lang gastos. like on my experience sa speaker naman,nung bagong dating yung bookshelf ko parang ayaw ko gamitin kasi ang sakit sa tenga masyado bright,following the suggestion of the majority and the maker too break-in ko muna and after a couple of weeks balanse na yung tunog di na sya bright, on tube amp ganun din, nung bagong dating yung KT88 ko parang ordinary lang pero nung tumagal at na break-in gumanda na din yung tunog,even my friend who is also into this hobby told me na may improvement talaga sa SQ.

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« Reply #55 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM »

yung bias ko nga pla sir try ko last week ng 375 mv as advised by other forum site, pero ngayon tinaas ko 390 mv. maitanong ko nga pla sir kung kailan ako pwede mag tube rolling?


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« Reply #56 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM »
actually anytime pwede ka mag tube rolling kung may budget ka. pero ang advice kasi ng karamihan break-in mo muna yung gear kasi baka pag nagpalit ka then yung ipinalit mo pangit din pala sayang lang gastos. like on my experience sa speaker naman,nung bagong dating yung bookshelf ko parang ayaw ko gamitin kasi ang sakit sa tenga masyado bright,following the suggestion of the majority and the maker too break-in ko muna and after a couple of weeks balanse na yung tunog di na sya bright, on tube amp ganun din, nung bagong dating yung KT88 ko parang ordinary lang pero nung tumagal at na break-in gumanda na din yung tunog,even my friend who is also into this hobby told me na may improvement talaga sa SQ.


prang depende din yta sa recording sir kc pag celine dion (flac), il volo(flac),phil collins (mp3) and tsaka david foster concert (blueray) tlagang prang nsa harap ko lng cla kumanta.
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« Reply #57 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM »

prang depende din yta sa recording sir kc pag celine dion (flac), il volo(flac),phil collins (mp3) and tsaka david foster concert (blueray) tlagang prang nsa harap ko lng cla kumanta.

so malamang yung source ay isa din sa problema sir.

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« Reply #58 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:46 AM »
so malamang yung source ay isa din sa problema sir.


yun din tlaga suspetsa ko sir kya lng npakamahal kc nung oppo mahigit 1000 aud kya ipon na muna.
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« Reply #59 on: Sep 23, 2013 at 11:49 AM »

yun din tlaga suspetsa ko sir kya lng npakamahal kc nung oppo mahigit 1000 aud kya ipon na muna.


kung puros digital file ang source nyo(flac/mp3) at yung macbook ang gamit nyong player parang mas ok siguro mag-invest sa magandang DAC sir,yung musiland ok din na try ko na before yung Musiland 02 dragon edition yung meron volume control.