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Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« on: Dec 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM »
Hi, my cousin at our family reunion is mouthing off and telling everyone that you can just buy the higher quality pirated blu rays and 3D blu rays cheap (not the pirated DVDs labeled "blu ray" but are really burned on normal DVDs), so no need to pay a lot for the original. I am trying to tell him that not only is piracy illegal, but pirated copies are not the same quality anyway. But how do I explain this in technical terms? For example, is it right to say that these pirated copies might be up to 25 GB but the data for a true blu ray should be almost 50 GB per disc?

I tried to look for information but cannot find it, just old articles from 2008 and 2009. I think this is OK to discuss since I want to know how to tell someone not to support piracy.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #1 on: Jan 18, 2014 at 08:06 PM »
I am pretty sure that pirated blu-rays here in the Philippines(Or maybe in other countries) are only DVDs. Where does he play his pirated Blu-Rays? If he plays it on DVD, then it is just a regular bootlegged DVD. Even if they burn it on a Blu-Ray disc, it cannot be played on a DVD player just like 13 years ago that we cannot play DVDs on a CD player. I remember when i was a kid, we have this stereo with CD player with 5 disc trays, we tried playing DVD but it didn't read the disc. He is just wasting his money believing that pirated Blu-Rays are real bootlegged Blu-Rays. Usual Blu-Rays here in my location costs P80 and P150 for combo/multiple movies in one disc. Subukan mong ipakita sa kanya yung HDTV mo at saksak mo yung orig Blu-Ray mo sa BD-Player mo and saksak mo din yung pirated Blu-Ray nya para makita yung difference. Kase sinaksak ko yung pirated Blu-Ray ko sa PS3 ko, ang panget ng quality dahil 720p yung TV ko tapos 480p or 540p ang quality ng regular DVD/pirated Blu-Ray eh. So nung nag upscale, kita yung mga pixels. Lalo na siguro sa 1080p TV

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #2 on: Jan 19, 2014 at 12:46 AM »
Alam ko may pirated blu ray disc dito sa Pinas and I'm sure of it.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #3 on: Jan 19, 2014 at 07:44 AM »
Alam ko may pirated blu ray disc dito sa Pinas and I'm sure of it.

Yep.. Ako din, kaso sa most places yata yung mga pirated blu-ray is yung mga hindi blu-cases yung gamit. Yung iba yung parang slip cover tapos may bonus cover + poster at the back, yung slip cover eh yung parang makapal ng karton. Tapos yung iba naman bakal yung lalagyan tapos ganun din, may bonus slip cover + poster. Para mas sure na lang, wag na bumili kase na bootlegged hehe. Magle-legit na nga ako pag nakabili na ko ng TV eh, bibili na din ako standalone blu-ray. Di kase feel yung blu-ray pag 720p tapos 32" yung TV, cheap brand pa pero okay naman hehe!

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #4 on: Jan 19, 2014 at 08:06 AM »
Is this the same with the movies usually downloaded? They say "Bluray RE-rip/Remuxed 1080p or 720p", with the file ranging from 10g to 20gig? IMpressed na ako with this quality. Havent really tried getting those 50+gigs na movies. So, if transferred to a Bluray CD, does that mean the quality deteriorates?

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #5 on: Jan 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM »
Pag ISO ang file mo then that's the exact copy of the BD. Di ko lang alam kung kaya nang iduplicate ang BD to another BD and can be played on an "open" player.
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #6 on: Feb 11, 2014 at 04:45 PM »
For sure meron na pirated Bluray dito,...i got 1 with 25gig label. PQ is superb too. take note mine was 3D pa pero pirated Bluray.hehehe
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #7 on: Feb 11, 2014 at 04:50 PM »
Makati Cinema square sells these for 300-350. It uses a BDR. When you play it sa PS3 yun ang nakalagay and it wont play sa normal DVD. This is different from those na naka lata or Blu Ray copy na tig 60(tin can)
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2014 at 04:37 PM »

same with quiapo area,  it sells 3 items for 1K... it also can't play to a normal DVD but to a BD player..
 only.. here's the thing pang pirated lang talaga ang quality, the disk itself mas manipis sa orig, and madaling ma fill-off ung label.. and why would bothered to buy that..since meron naman sa MP na Original and legit that can be bought as low as 300 pesos.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2014 at 03:47 PM »
same with quiapo area,  it sells 3 items for 1K... it also can't play to a normal DVD but to a BD player..
 only.. here's the thing pang pirated lang talaga ang quality, the disk itself mas manipis sa orig, and madaling ma fill-off ung label.. and why would bothered to buy that..since meron naman sa MP na Original and legit that can be bought as low as 300 pesos.

mura pa rin daw kasi ang pirated. kahit new release meron na sila like yung The Legend of Hercules.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2014 at 03:50 PM »
i don't think this discussion is allowed here in the forum

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2014 at 11:00 AM »
I think the thread starter has a valid inquiry. Yung mga sumunod na post ang parang hindi allowed at hindi na din maman talaga sagot sa tanong ng TS, naging "where can i buy and how much" ang dating.
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2014 at 04:38 PM »
I tried to compare this two.
Original and Fake bluray movie (60php).
I'm not saying I'm an expert sa pag-review, Ito lang ung napansin ko.

In terms of Picture Quality
Original = I played The Dark knight. I would say superb! Pati kaibigan ko nakinuod, nganga sa ganda ng quality. I would rate this 10/10
Fake = I played The Avengers. So far with this fake bluray copy na nabili ko, okay na. I enjoyed watching it and I would say it depends on the movie na binili mo at ung pagkacopy ng movie sa original kasi may iba akong nabili hindi maganda ang quality ng picture but for this 9/10

In terms of Sound Quality
Original = Ultimo mga maliliit na bagay maririnig mo. Excellent. Timplado. 10/10
Fake = Okay na sana kaso hindi timplado ung SQ. ung bass dumadagundong at hindi balanse. sabog ika nga. 7/10

Try nyo subukan, magexperiment. tignan natin kung pareho review natin hehehe.
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2014 at 05:03 PM »
I tried to compare this two.
Original and Fake bluray movie (60php).
I'm not saying I'm an expert sa pag-review, Ito lang ung napansin ko.

In terms of Picture Quality
Original = I played The Dark knight. I would say superb! Pati kaibigan ko nakinuod, nganga sa ganda ng quality. I would rate this 10/10
Fake = I played The Avengers. So far with this fake bluray copy na nabili ko, okay na. I enjoyed watching it and I would say it depends on the movie na binili mo at ung pagkacopy ng movie sa original kasi may iba akong nabili hindi maganda ang quality ng picture but for this 9/10

In terms of Sound Quality
Original = Ultimo mga maliliit na bagay maririnig mo. Excellent. Timplado. 10/10
Fake = Okay na sana kaso hindi timplado ung SQ. ung bass dumadagundong at hindi balanse. sabog ika nga. 7/10

Try nyo subukan, magexperiment. tignan natin kung pareho review natin hehehe.

Sana if possible, same movie din ang comparison because there is a possibilty na The Avengers were recorded na dumadagungdong talaga.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2014 at 09:05 AM »
Sana if possible, same movie din ang comparison because there is a possibilty na The Avengers were recorded na dumadagungdong talaga.
also, he's comparing orig vs fake bluray ripped to dvd format. dapat orig bluray vs fake bluray.  ;D

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM »
I was duped into buying an HK bluray for How to Train Your Dragon on one of my transactions. Then I got the original when I was in the US. I was also curious on the difference so I tested them.
On picture quality not much difference with the original only leading by a hair but the sound is night and day with the original trouncing the fake. Most likely they had to compress some of the data when they burned the copy. And no bonus material in the fake BD.
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2014 at 11:47 AM »
I was duped into buying an HK bluray for How to Train Your Dragon on one of my transactions. Then I got the original when I was in the US. I was also curious on the difference so I tested them.
On picture quality not much difference with the original only leading by a hair but the sound is night and day with the original trouncing the fake. Most likely they had to compress some of the data when they burned the copy. And no bonus material in the fake BD.
i would like to think that pq and sound quality should be pretty much the same as it was copied. now for the bonus material since usually lesser capacity, eto yung mawawala.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM »
I was duped into buying an HK bluray for How to Train Your Dragon on one of my transactions. Then I got the original when I was in the US. I was also curious on the difference so I tested them.
On picture quality not much difference with the original only leading by a hair but the sound is night and day with the original trouncing the fake. Most likely they had to compress some of the data when they burned the copy. And no bonus material in the fake BD.

Bak din kasi hindi master audio ang pirated.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #18 on: Apr 01, 2015 at 12:10 PM »
Getting good quality bootleg blu rays is a gamble. If you can afford a blu ray player set up with respectably sized monitor, you should also invest in legit discs.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #19 on: Jun 16, 2015 at 04:01 PM »
I actually tried playing an Avengers bootleg bluray in an appliance store and the picture quality was superb. The sound quality was also excellent. I guess they use good equipment to copy the original bluray disc because if you're not familiar with legit bluray discs, you'd think you have the original disc.

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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #20 on: Jun 16, 2015 at 04:06 PM »
Bootleg Bluray have improved in quality. However branded Bluray players have also improved the technology to detect bootleg Bluray Discs through Cinnavia. With Cinnavia, after 15minutes the bootleg Bluray will have no audio.

I actually tried playing an Avengers bootleg bluray in an appliance store and the picture quality was superb. The sound quality was also excellent. I guess they use good equipment to copy the original bluray disc because if you're not familiar with legit bluray discs, you'd think you have the original disc.
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #21 on: Jun 16, 2015 at 04:28 PM »
I actually tried playing an Avengers bootleg bluray in an appliance store and the picture quality was superb. The sound quality was also excellent. I guess they use good equipment to copy the original bluray disc because if you're not familiar with legit bluray discs, you'd think you have the original disc.

If it is a direct copy, then no difference whatsoever...
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Re: Why pirated blu rays are not true blu rays
« Reply #23 on: Aug 25, 2015 at 08:40 PM »
Makati Cinema square sells these for 300-350. It uses a BDR. When you play it sa PS3 yun ang nakalagay and it wont play sa normal DVD. This is different from those na naka lata or Blu Ray copy na tig 60(tin can)

I think that was 2009-2010 when I saw these in tin cans in Quiapo. Ganun nga yung price around 300, so BD nga talaga siya? ...pero BD25 I assume.