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Re: putting 12ax7 in a 12at7 slot?
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2015 at 01:01 PM »
because the actual gain of a circuit depends heavily on the B+
and the resistors used, interchanging 12ax7 to 12at7 and vice versa
is not usually a problem really, just watch out for the
resulting gains change and flavor if any and see if you like it...YMMV.....;)

Q: why higher B+?
A: because at higher B+ cathode current increases,
    a higher cathode current increases transconductance, therefore voltage gain...

Sir Tony, I found this comment from audiocircle.com and I quote:

"Good question. A general comment. The 12AT7 family has approximately 3.5 times the transconductance of a 12AX7 family. Subbing a 12AX7 for a 12AT7 will mean only 1/3-1/4 the plate current, so idle plate voltage will be much higher than with a 12AT7. Two questions emerge.

1) In an amplifier, is there enough signal voltage swing capability to drive the output tube to full power before maximum plate voltage swing reaches B+, and "flat tops".

2) As the plate current drops closer to zero, the curves become more nonlinear. More distortion. 

So no matter what the circuit, conditions won't be optimal."

This is what you meant from your comment above di ba sir? I think I have to forego muna buying the Yamaha 12ax7. Baka magsisi lang sa huli. Will look instead for the real replacement for 12at7. Thanks.

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Re: putting 12ax7 in a 12at7 slot?
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2015 at 05:49 PM »
^^yes....tube mu is just a number, how it performs in a circuit
depends on the compotnents associated with it and the B+...

btw, you can also ask Gerry StaMaria, he has some 6201's, another 12at7 equivalent...
he supplies tubes for almost all tube diy'ers +639424822580....
12av7 is also a nice tube to try....
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Re: putting 12ax7 in a 12at7 slot?
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2015 at 07:18 AM »
Thanks sir Tony for your reference. I'll communicate with sir Gerry.

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Re: putting 12ax7 in a 12at7 slot?
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2015 at 07:52 AM »
yes, with today's signal sources, who needs the highish gains of the 12AX7....
phono stages and guitar amp are just about the right application for it...
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