Topic: Question on the Holy Trinity

[dpogs]

ano yan boss kape? 3 in 1. 

... oo nga noh! haha parang itlog din daw... or H20.. or triangle.. but that doesnt really explain the diving unity of God...e
they co-exist, co-powerful, co-eternal... God does not exist as three separate beings... they never separate from one another though each is distinct...

[saro]

co exist--jesus was created(colosians 1:15..so there is a time na hindi nag exist si jesus
co-powerful--ang ama ang bumuhay ng syay nasa lupa..araw at oras hindi alam ni jesus(mathew 24:36)
                 pati pag apoint sa langit hindi si jesus ang may rights(mathew 20:23)
co-eternal--si jesus may pasimula,pero ang ama wala..

[xbase]

dahil nga ang holy spirit ay galing sa diyos,ginagamit nya ito para gawin ang kanyang layunin.kaya tama lang ang nasabi ni pedro na si ananias ay nag sinungaling sa holy spirit,kasi itoy galing sa diyos..
you can't lie to a mere 'active force'---
walang pinagkaiba yan sa nagkasala sa "batas.".

if the Holy Spirit is not God for you. I will not be surprised to know that Jesus is also not God.

[saro]

im not againts that jesus was called god in the bible.maraming text sa bible to prove that...but never syang tinawag na 'god almighty'..only the father have that title

[saro]

as jesus stated in john 14:28..because the Father is greater than I am..
mas papaniwalaan ko ang salitang iyan ni jesus na nakasulat sa bible,kaysa sa turo or kinagisnang paniniwala na non biblical

[saro]

acts 7:55,56-But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand..
si esteban bago mamatay,binanggit niya dito ang dalawang persona..ang god at si jesus(meaning 2 individual persona)
pero bakit walang nabanggit  si esteban about sa holy spirit if they are equal..?

[xbase]

sir saro, salamat sa paliwanag mo, nauunawaan ko na ang paniniwala mo. sa ganyang bagay magkaiba tayo. pero hindi ibig sabihin ay nais kitang pilitin  sa paniniwala ko. at hindi ko rin nais pilitin ang sinumang nakakabasa ng topic na ito.

i hope that everyone who read this and have the same question or any question regarding Trinity or salvation will find the answer they are looking for.

peace everyone! and good day...

[saro]

john 4:24-God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.
tama sir,hindi naman po natin iginigiit sa iba ang mga belief natin..it just happen na napag uusapan..no problem sir..good day din..
sorry if ot po

[dodie]

as jesus stated in john 14:28..because the Father is greater than I am..
mas papaniwalaan ko ang salitang iyan ni jesus na nakasulat sa bible,kaysa sa turo or kinagisnang paniniwala na non biblical

panano sir yung sinabi ni jesus na "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).  basic analogy dictates that if one is inferior than the other then it cannot be considered "one". paano nyo po pinipili ang salita ni jesus na inyong paniniwalaan?

[dodie]

acts 7:55,56-But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand..
si esteban bago mamatay,binanggit niya dito ang dalawang persona..ang god at si jesus(meaning 2 individual persona)
pero bakit walang nabanggit  si esteban about sa holy spirit if they are equal..?

persona is defined as aspect of someone's character that is  perceived by others. it is synonymous with image, personality and the likes. you mistook it that it is soley for something that is physical, as someone that has a form. and besides it doesnt necessarily follows that if it aint there then its not!

[jerix]

Hats off to all of you! I wish ganito lahat ang threads dito sa pdvd -walang away basta presentation lang ng opinyon. We really can learn a lot if we do it this way.

Now, on the topic if Jesus is God himself because he came from the power of his father God and now Jesus is no longer on earth because he already returned to his creator, do you think he still exists in flesh, or he reverted back as a Word?

[dodie]

Hats off to all of you! I wish ganito lahat ang threads dito sa pdvd -walang away basta presentation lang ng opinyon. We really can learn a lot if we do it this way.

Now, on the topic if Jesus is God himself because he came from the power of his father God and now Jesus is no longer on earth because he already returned to his creator, do you think he still exists in flesh, or he reverted back as a Word?

sir nung umakyat si jesus sa langit kasama ang katawang tao nya.

[Quitacet]

during the fall of Adam and Eve... God show them the way to salvation...

who else here believe in the literal Adam and Eve story?

[dodie]

who else here believe in the literal Adam and Eve story?

I sir. boss can i ask humbly, what is your religious affiliation?

[Quitacet]

I sir. boss can i ask humbly, what is your religious affiliation?

It does not matter in this thread, I can be a catholic and not believe in the Trinity, or an Agnostic and believe in historical Jesus.

[dodie]

It does not matter in this thread, I can be a catholic and not believe in the Trinity, or an Agnostic and believe in historical Jesus.

im just asking sir. mas maganda sigurong magpaliwanag kung alam mo kung saan ang pinangalingan ng pinapagpaliwanagan mo. at hindi naman siguro kabawasan sa pagkatao ang magsabi kung anong relihiyon meron sya.

[Quitacet]

im just asking sir. mas maganda sigurong magpaliwanag kung alam mo kung saan ang pinangalingan ng pinapagpaliwanagan mo. at hindi naman siguro kabawasan sa pagkatao ang magsabi kung anong relihiyon meron sya.

the reason why this thread has become peaceful until now is because religion has got nothing to do with the discussion but the personal beliefs of the members. If the personal beliefs are the same as one's religious beliefs, it is still the personal beliefs that are being discussed.

pag pumasok kasi ang particula religion, chances are gugulo na yan

[majoe]

who else here believe in the literal Adam and Eve story?

me. literally.

[majoe]

Now, on the topic if Jesus is God himself because he came from the power of his father God and now Jesus is no longer on earth because he already returned to his creator, do you think he still exists in flesh, or he reverted back as a Word?

no longer in flesh but in his glorified body.

[SiCkBoY]

I am shocked that people actually believe the story of Adam and Eve.

[saro]

john 10:30-its true,jesus said that..but why did he said that?what was the scenario? nasabi nya iyon dahil ang mga judio noon ay ayaw maniwalang sya ang kristo,sa kabila ng lahat ng tanda ng pagiging kristo ay makikita sa gawa niya..nang babatuhin sya ng tao kasi nga namumusong sya dahil hindi matannggap ng mga judio,ano ang sinabi ni jesus? maliwanag sa verse 32 ang sabi nya "alin sa mga gawa nya ang dahilan kung bakit sya babatuhin? take note wala sa isip ni jesus na iisa sila ng ama sa pagka diyos o sya rin mismo ang ama,ang sinabi ni jesus ng pagiging isa nila ay sa layunin o sa gawa..sa verse 36 ang sabi nya "ako ang anak ng diyos"..hindi po "ang diyos"

[Tsnad]

nice thread mga Sir, very peaceful and informative ha... sarap magbasa.

[saro]

granting that in john 10:30,that jesus is also the father, and since we are talking about the trinity,bakit hindi isinama ni jesus ang holy spirit sa pagiging isa nila..

[barrister]

tama sir,hindi naman po natin iginigiit sa iba ang mga belief natin..it just happen na napag uusapan..no problem sir..good day din..

Ganyan ang magandang viewpoint para naiiwasan ang mga away.
 
Agree ako sa mga citations mo, sir saro. Your only problem is that you do not follow up your citations with a discussion of how they are relevant in proving your points.
 
 

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The biggest obstacle to a thorough understanding is a comprehension of ancient Hebrew and Greek. Remember that the bible was not originally written in English.
 
In the creation story of the Old Testament, "God" was referred to as "Elohim," which may either be plural or singular.
 
In the same manner, a "family" can be singular or plural. Singular when referring to one family collectively, and plural when referring to the individual members of a family.
 
For example, si Mr. Cruz, asawa si Mrs. Cruz, anak si Cruz, Jr. One Cruz family, but 3 family members. Si Mr. Cruz ba ay si Mrs. Cruz na rin? Hindi. Iba si Mr. Cruz, iba si Mrs. Cruz.
 
Kaya nga nag-uusap ang Ama at ang Anak. Sabi ng Anak, "Ama, bakit Mo ako pinabayan?" Ano yon, umaarte, kinakausap ang sarili Niya? Hindi. Magkaiba ang dalawang nag-uusap.
 
Kaya nga noong creation, ang sabi, "And God (Elohim) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."
 
Ang sabi, "let us" --- plural. So ang God doon ("Elohim") ay plural din. May nag-uusap --- may nagsasalita, at may kausap. Sino yung kausap? Hindi puwedeng angel, kasi ang kausap ay creator din.
 
Hindi creator ang angel. Ang sabi, "let us make," hindi "I will make and you will watch me". Therefore the Father was talking to a co-creator.
 
Sino ang co-creator na kausap? The answer is in Proverbs 8.
 

panano sir yung sinabi ni jesus na "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

Pag sinabi ba na "one" ay kung sino yung isa, siya na rin yung isa?
 
Parang isang tao na President and General Manager ng isang company. Kung ano ang alam ng President, alam din ng General Manager, kasi siya rin yon.
 
Kung ang Ama at ang Anak ay isa, e di dapat kung ano ang alam ng Ama, alam din ng Anak. In Mark 13:32, sabi ni Kristo, as for the day of the hour of the end, "no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Bakit may alam ang Ama na hindi alam ng Anak?
 
Kasi iba yung Ama at iba naman yung Anak.
 
Bakit ang sabi ni Kristo sa John 10:30, "I and the Father are one"? Alamin muna natin kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng "one" sa sitas.
 
Ang meaning ng "one" doon ay "unity." Just as the members of a musical band are united, they are one in agreement, but it does not mean na kung sino ang gitarista, siya na rin ang drummer.

Sa katunayan:

“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ⁷ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, ⁸ and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. ⁹ Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” (Mark 10:6-9)

Notice that husband and wife are also called "one."  They are no longer two, but one flesh.

Ibig sabihin kung sino yung lalaki yon na rin ang babae? Hindi. Iba pa rin yung lalaki, iba yung babae. Mas mataas ang posisyon ng lalaki sa kanyang asawa, at may alam yung lalaki na hindi alam ng babae.

Bakit "one" ang tawag? Kasi united sila in spirit, but they are still different persons.

[Quitacet]

I am shocked that people actually believe the story of Adam and Eve.

so comes my next question:


To those who believe the Adam and Eve story, do you believe in

1. literal six-day creation; and
2. the "Young Earth" theory which puts the Earth and all its creation at not more than 10,000 years ago?

[dodie]

ibig sabihin po, ng sinabi ni kristo na sya at ang ama ay iisa ay sa dahilan na ayaw maniwala ng mga hudyo sa kanya, tapos nung sya ay babatuhin na dahil sa sa tinuran nya, ay bigla nyang sinabi na sya ay anak ng diyos at hindi dyos?

with due respect, you have a different way of interpreting what the sriptures is saying. it may be true, it may be wrong. who knows? i will just leave it that way.

[dodie]

so comes my next question:


To those who believe the Adam and Eve story, do you believe in

1. literal six-day creation; and
2. the "Young Earth" theory which puts the Earth and all its creation at not more than 10,000 years ago?

sir by putting a series of question regarding adam and eve, this thread will deviate from what it started. its better to make another thread regarding creation.

[saro]

minsan po sir ang bible din mismo ang sumasagot sa mga tanong nya..it doesnt mean na kung ano na yung nasa verse na ito,eh yun na mismo..we all know that theres no contradicting in the bible..so if parang iba yung nasa verse na ito,dapat kaayon din siya ng ibang verse sa bible

[heisenbergman]

I am shocked that people actually believe the story of Adam and Eve.

+1

I can't believe that the genesis creation story is taken literally, and by a lot of people.

Is creationism still taught in schools here in the Philippines? Alam ko kasi sa US, there has been a move to remove the teaching of the creation story (as a thing that actually happened) from the curriculum. I was just hoping that the same could be done here.

[bumblebee]

minsan po sir ang bible din mismo ang sumasagot sa mga tanong nya..it doesnt mean na kung ano na yung nasa verse na ito,eh yun na mismo..we all know that theres no contradicting in the bible..so if parang iba yung nasa verse na ito,dapat kaayon din siya ng ibang verse sa bible

If one verse says one thing and another verse says another, who decides which is correct? Magulo naman ata yun