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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #420 on: Oct 12, 2015 at 07:36 PM »
OK yon sir.  Kanya-kanya tayo ng paniniwala.
 
Kung ang basis mo ay hindi bibliya kundi sariling paniniwala, walang problema doon, kasi wala tayong point of agreement sa batayan. 
 
Kaya nga si sir jerix, reincarnation ang paniniwala niya, pero hindi ko siya kinokontra.  Wala naman kasi siyang sinasabi na may tinuturong reincarnation ang bible, kaya wala akong problema doon.
 
Ganon din sa atin, sir.  Pag sinabi mong bible ang basis ng paniniwala mo, may pag-uusapan tayo.
 
Pero pag sinabi mong hindi bible ang basis mo, o kaya, na hindi lang bible ang batayan mo, kasi ang paniniwala mo ay hindi bibilya lang ang tanging batayan ng katotohanang espirituwal, ok sa akin yon.
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #421 on: Oct 12, 2015 at 07:47 PM »
OK yon sir.  Kanya-kanya tayo ng paniniwala.
 
Kung ang basis mo ay hindi bibliya kundi sariling paniniwala, walang problema doon, kasi wala tayong point of agreement. 
 
Kaya nga si sir jerix, reincarnation ang paniniwala niya, pero hindi ko siya kinokontra.  Wala naman kasi siyang sinasabi na may tinuturong reincarnation ang bible, kaya wala akong problema doon.
 
Ganon din sa iyo sir.  Pag sinabi mong bible ang basis ng paniniwala mo, may pag-uusapan tayo.
 
Pero pag sinabi mong hindi bible ang basis mo, o kaya, na hindi lang bible ang batayan mo, kasi ang paniniwala mo ay hindi bibilya lang ang tanging batayan ng katotohanang espirituwal, ok sa akin yon.

bible pa rin naman ang basis ko dyan sir ;)  although wala tayong mababasang literal na trinity sa bible, makikita naman dun ang concept ng trinity.

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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #422 on: Oct 12, 2015 at 08:24 PM »
Controversial ang issue na yon sir.

I assure you, hindi naman ako basta nag-isip lang nang sandali bago ako nakabuo ng aking viewpoint sa issue na yan.  Years din ang inabot.  Ang starting point ay ang meaning ng salitang Elohim sa Hebreo.

Pero controversial nga yan, kaya malabo talaga na magkasundo tayo.

Kami ni sir dpogs, parehong naniniwala sa bibliya, pero paminsan-minsan lang kaming magkasundo sa interpretation.  Ayos naman yon, naintindihan ko ang side niya, naintindihan niya ang side ko.  Pero hindi pa rin namin nabago ang isip ng isa't isa...  :D
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #423 on: Oct 13, 2015 at 03:41 AM »
New Age is itself eclectic.  It is not a fixed system.  It's a spirituality that is not confined by fixed dogmas.  It does not like rigid doctrines, but prefers an inclusive spirituality without borders, with acceptance of different personal perspectives as being equally valid.

With this definition of New Age, it got me interested.

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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #424 on: Oct 13, 2015 at 04:40 AM »
With this definition of New Age, it got me interested.

I like New Age music or mga likes ni Enya, Deep Forest, Enigma  :):):)
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #425 on: Oct 13, 2015 at 06:06 AM »
I believe in triune God even if the word Trinity is not in the bible. Just because the exact word is not there doesn't automatically means the concept is wrong. What matters is that the "principle" is there.

Consider Matthew 3:16-17 "16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[a] saw the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven , saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

This is where God the Father, The Son (Jesus) and The Holy Spirit are clearly present in one occasion.

And also Jesus commanded to baptize in their names, Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

There are distinctions(in nature and in functions) yet all three has an attribute of God. And the bible also says there is only one God.  How did this happen? we don't know as it was not directly revealed to us but I believe it by faith. But is this possible? Of course, nothing is impossible with God.

Did Jesus Christ remained as a spirit only? No, after His resurrection He is with a glorified body as well. Just as the believers will have glorified body in our resurrection. I personally believe our image and likeness are in accordance to Jesus Christ. That is why we are being transformed into His image, Romans 8:29 "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son ..."

Man is a triune being. Spirit(from God), Body(from earth), and Soul(out of the Spirit and Body). Genesis 2:7 says "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (BODY), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (SPIRIT); and man became a living being (SOUL). I believe our soul is triune as well having MIND, WILL and EMOTION.
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #426 on: Oct 13, 2015 at 06:09 AM »
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #427 on: Oct 13, 2015 at 09:23 AM »
Controversial ang issue na yon sir.

I assure you, hindi naman ako basta nag-isip lang nang sandali bago ako nakabuo ng aking viewpoint sa issue na yan.  Years din ang inabot.  Ang starting point ay ay meaning ng salitang Elohim sa Hebreo.

Pero controversial nga yan, kaya malabo talaga na magkasundo tayo.

Kami ni sir dpogs, parehong naniniwala sa bibliya, pero paminsan-minsan lang kaming magkasundo sa interpretation.  Ayos naman yon, naintindihan ko ang side niya, naintindihan niya ang side ko.  Pero hindi pa rin namin nabago ang isip ng isa't isa...  :D

GOD - Elohim - plural of Eloah

Gen1:1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1-1.htm

gods - Elohim

Exo 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/exodus/20-3.htm

Both God and gods mean elohim.

Strong's Concordance

elohim: God, god
Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohim
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Short Definition: God

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
pl. of eloah
Definition
God, god

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm



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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #428 on: Oct 13, 2015 at 09:26 AM »
I like New Age music or mga likes ni Enya, Deep Forest, Enigma  :) :) :)

Enya lang ang alam ko doon. Google nga ako ng Deep Forest and Enigma.

My favorite is Behind the Waterfall by David Lanz.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avAa5TA5joc

http://www.amazon.com/Behind-The-Waterfall/dp/B000TE5WUU       
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #429 on: Oct 15, 2015 at 12:23 AM »

I like New Age music or mga likes ni Enya, Deep Forest, Enigma  :):):)

Ako din! Pero di ko pa napapakinggan ang Deep Forest. :)
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #430 on: Oct 15, 2015 at 01:26 AM »
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #431 on: Oct 15, 2015 at 01:57 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm9t5VdS_Q0

Nice to dpogs! thanks, hahanap ako ng album nila.

Sorry guys sa OT namin. hehehehe!

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« Reply #432 on: Oct 15, 2015 at 02:06 AM »
Nice to dpogs! thanks, hahanap ako ng album nila.

Sorry guys sa OT namin. hehehehe!

di naman medyo on topic pa naman ng kunti... its about New Age thingy :):)

my faith grows in a very conservative Christian living... this kind of music is a big no no according to church conviction :):) we need to hear godly music only not contemporary music since it will defile our body as a temple of the Holy Spirit... :):)

but for me its all about music appreciation :):):) not for meditation LOL...

of course, wala pa ring tatalo sa mga praise & worship conservative gospel/hymnal songs and musics in uplifting our spirits.
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Re: Question on the Holy Trinity
« Reply #433 on: Oct 15, 2015 at 05:25 AM »
my faith grows in a very conservative Christian living... this kind of music is a big no no according to church conviction :):) we need to hear godly music only not contemporary music since it will defile our body as a temple of the Holy Spirit... :):)
but for me its all about music appreciation :):):) not for meditation LOL...
of course, wala pa ring tatalo sa mga praise & worship conservative gospel/hymnal songs and musics in uplifting our spirits.

We have that freedom naman.  I used to listen to all sorts of music as well esp those audiophile materials.  Medyo naging sobrang busy lang recently and it is the praise and worship songs that soothes and relieves me.

Sabi naman sa 1 Corinthians 10:23 "“Everything is permissible,” but not everything is helpful. “Everything is permissible,” but not everything builds up."

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« Reply #434 on: Oct 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM »
We have that freedom naman.  I used to listen to all sorts of music as well esp those audiophile materials.  Medyo naging sobrang busy lang recently and it is the praise and worship songs that soothes and relieves me.

Sabi naman sa 1 Corinthians 10:23 "“Everything is permissible,” but not everything is helpful. “Everything is permissible,” but not everything builds up."


Yes... and ditto papasok ang verse na

"The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak."

Merong mga bagay ditto sa lupa na magdudulot ng kapighatian sa Banal na Espiritu na nananahan sa ating katawan. So anumang bagay na makamundo at ipinapasok natin palagi sa sistema ng ating utak at katawan ay nakakasama at sa katagalan ay mawawalan ng lakas ang Banal na Espiritu upang magbigay gabay sa ating buhay Kristiyano.

Eto ang sinasabi ni Apostle Paul na, merong paglalaban sa loob ng ating katawan, sa pagitan ng ating katawan at espiritu... at kung ano ang lagi nating pinapakain ang siyang lagging mananaig.
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