Author Topic: Plasma vs LCD ? (Read 269656 times)

barrister · « **Reply #1500 on:** Jul 27, 2012 at 04:39 PM »

Quote from: dandang on Jul 27, 2012 at 02:51 PM

So that means 50X50 is now a no no for you?

That's right.

I'll have to wait for the Panny 50UT50 plasma. As of now, the Samsung 50E550 looks OK to me.

Stagea · « **Reply #1501 on:** Jul 28, 2012 at 02:35 AM »

Quote from: dandang on Jul 27, 2012 at 03:23 PM

I hope so, coz i am very much satisfied with my 42X20, i just want a bigger one.

If you don't get annoyed by the pixel structure when you sit closer to your 42" tv, you may not be bothered by the same structure in the 50" model. It's best to see the actual TV for yourself, of course. The screendoor effect and jagged edges bother some more than others.

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1502 on:** Jul 28, 2012 at 08:41 AM »

To those who have the LG LK430 or LK450 TVs with an S-IPS panel... Is this normal?
I get some whitish trails and ghosting when panning around, and it's most noticeable in 60FPS games.
Here's the video I took:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH_HXqF4ORA

barrister · « **Reply #1503 on:** Jul 28, 2012 at 08:57 AM »

That's motion blur, caused by poor response time. If you're a gamer, response time and input lag specs are important.

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Response_Time_ShootOut.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_lag

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Reviewers are saying that Samsung plasmas have improved significantly:

Samsung PS60E6500 Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 26 July 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1500

... Samsung’s plasma televisions have been improving year-on-year to the extent that they’re now a cheaper alternative to Panasonic’s (which present outstanding value for money anyway).

... Previously some way behind Panasonic in the plasma stakes, Samsung is now scoring first in some categories, having produced an incredibly compelling PDP television.

... Although some buyers will (quite justifiably) be seduced by Panasonic’s outstandingly deep black levels, the Samsung PS60E6500 is not far behind at all, and also has lots of other strengths of its own which we think ultimately leaves it on equal footing with the Japanese manufacturer’s efforts.

... with displays like the Samsung PS60E6500 complementing Panasonic’s excellent 2012 range as the best HDTVs on the market, we’re inclined to say that plasma fans are a lucky crowd, with imperfect but very high quality flat-screen televisions available for less money than ever before. That’s not bad going for a technology that’s been declared “dead” more times than a stray cat.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm

Two points are noteworthy:

1. Samsung plasmas and Panasonic plasmas are now on equal footing, since Panny plasmas may be the best in some categories, but Sammy plasmas are also the best in other categories.

2. Those writers who said plasma was dead --- will we ever get a retraction or an apology?

Stagea · « **Reply #1504 on:** Jul 29, 2012 at 05:01 AM »

Quote from: DonMiguel85 on Jul 28, 2012 at 08:41 AM

To those who have the LG LK430 or LK450 TVs with an S-IPS panel... Is this normal?
I get some whitish trails and ghosting when panning around, and it's most noticeable in 60FPS games.
Here's the video I took:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH_HXqF4ORA

If you're using an AMD graphics adapter, adjust LCD Overdrive properly. It helps quite a bit.

Carlo777 · « **Reply #1505 on:** Jul 30, 2012 at 01:00 PM »

We had the pleasure to test drive the LG42PA4500(Plasma), though I haven't finished the full review it looks good so far ! I'm surprised!

kane · « **Reply #1506 on:** Jul 30, 2012 at 02:11 PM »

Quote from: Carlo777 on Jul 30, 2012 at 01:00 PM

We had the pleasure to test drive the LG42PA4500(Plasma), though I haven't finished the full review it looks good so far ! I'm surprised!

Thats great sir. How does it perform on a well lit room, or with ambient lighting?

barrister · « **Reply #1507 on:** Aug 04, 2012 at 11:52 PM »

$6,000 Sharp LED vs $1,700 Panny plasma:

Panasonic ST50 vs Sharp Elite Pro: How much would you pay?
The Sharp Elite Pro was the best, and most expensive,
TV of 2011, but it's facing a serious challenge from the
Panasonic ST50 budget plasma. We put them head-to-head.
by Ty Pendlebury |May 7, 2012 2:55 PM PDT

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57426194-221/panasonic-st50-vs-sharp-elite-pro-how-much-would-you-pay/

espionage · « **Reply #1508 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 08:37 AM »

We had the pleasure to test drive the LG42PA4500(Plasma), though I haven't finished the full review it looks good so far ! I'm surprised!

Tnx Sir Carlo777, waiting for this. I'm eyeing for 50"

DTNS · « **Reply #1509 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 09:01 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Jul 28, 2012 at 08:57 AM

Reviewers are saying that Samsung plasmas have improved significantly:

Samsung PS60E6500 Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 26 July 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1500

... Samsung’s plasma televisions have been improving year-on-year to the extent that they’re now a cheaper alternative to Panasonic’s (which present outstanding value for money anyway).

... Previously some way behind Panasonic in the plasma stakes, Samsung is now scoring first in some categories, having produced an incredibly compelling PDP television.

... Although some buyers will (quite justifiably) be seduced by Panasonic’s outstandingly deep black levels, the Samsung PS60E6500 is not far behind at all, and also has lots of other strengths of its own which we think ultimately leaves it on equal footing with the Japanese manufacturer’s efforts.

... with displays like the Samsung PS60E6500 complementing Panasonic’s excellent 2012 range as the best HDTVs on the market, we’re inclined to say that plasma fans are a lucky crowd, with imperfect but very high quality flat-screen televisions available for less money than ever before. That’s not bad going for a technology that’s been declared “dead” more times than a stray cat.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm

I think this is the 59" Samsung plasma tv I saw on display at SnS.

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1510 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 09:05 AM »

The LG42PA4500 is only 1024x768 right?

barrister · « **Reply #1511 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 09:53 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Jul 28, 2012 at 08:57 AM

Samsung PS60E6500 Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 26 July 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1500

Quote from: DTNS on Aug 05, 2012 at 09:01 AM

I think this is the 59" Samsung plasma tv I saw on display at SnS.

No, it can't be the same. Maybe you saw the equivalent model from last year.

The PS60E6500 is a 60 incher, so it can't be the 59" Samsung plasma. The number "60" in "PS60E6500" means it's a 60-inch screen; "E" means its the series for the year 2012.

Maybe the one you saw was a Samsung 59D6500. "59" means it's a 59-inch screen; "D" means it's the series for the year 2011.

Samsung does not have 59 inch plasmas for 2012.

Aside from the 1 inch difference, there's another major difference between the 2 models: The 59D6500 has the brightness pops problem of the 2011 D series; the 60E6500 does not have brightness pops, since the problem was fixed on the 2012 E series.

espionage · « **Reply #1512 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 05:52 PM »

@ DonMiguel85
The LG42PA4500 is only 1024x768 right?

Yup, also with the LG50PA4500.

Wildfire™ · « **Reply #1513 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 08:07 PM »

available na ba locally ung Panasonic ST50?

DTNS · « **Reply #1514 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 08:15 PM »

Quote from: Wildfire™ on Aug 05, 2012 at 08:07 PM

available na ba locally ung Panasonic ST50?

ditto! I'm holding out upgrading to plasma. I have a feeling the ST50 series will reach our shores later this year.

Wildfire™ · « **Reply #1515 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 08:19 PM »

Quote from: DTNS on Aug 05, 2012 at 08:15 PM

ditto! I'm holding out upgrading to plasma. I have a feeling the ST50 series will reach our shores later this year.

i heard before na august e hopefully dumating na

igiwtf · « **Reply #1516 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 08:25 PM »

kung pang bedroom which is better? plasma or led?

Samsung 40eh5000
samsung 42e450

lg 42ls3400
lg 42pa4500

barrister · « **Reply #1517 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 08:43 PM »

Quote from: Wildfire™ on Aug 05, 2012 at 08:07 PM

available na ba locally ung Panasonic ST50?

Ang meron lang yung 65 inch (65ST50S). Walang 42" and 50". In short, yung ayaw natin na size ay available; yung gusto natin na size, wala.

Where are the gray units when you need them?

Wildfire™ · « **Reply #1518 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 09:54 PM »

Ang laki naman ng available

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1519 on:** Aug 05, 2012 at 11:35 PM »

Quote from: igiwtf on Aug 05, 2012 at 08:25 PM

kung pang bedroom which is better? plasma or led?

Samsung 40eh5000
samsung 42e450

lg 42ls3400
lg 42pa4500

It depends on your environment, but usually mas susceptible to glare and bright lighting ang plasma.

DTNS · « **Reply #1520 on:** Aug 06, 2012 at 08:23 AM »

Quote from: barrister on Aug 05, 2012 at 08:43 PM

Ang meron lang yung 65 inch (65ST50S). Walang 42" and 50". In short, yung ayaw natin na size ay available; yung gusto natin na size, wala.

Where are the gray units when you need them?

pacensya ang kailangan natin. hahaha!

the PH market is often late in receiving the latest models. (heck, pang 2011 ang mga Panasonic na plasmas sa market natin!) kung ganun, 2013 pa dating ng 2012 models sa atin. $:-\$

barrister · « **Reply #1521 on:** Aug 11, 2012 at 10:21 AM »

Rumor has it that Sharp is in big trouble.

Sharp to strip name from flagship LCD factory as Foxconn parent moves in
Sharp's Sakai facilities in central Japan are its technical pride and joy,
but deep losses forced it to seek investors
Jay Alabaster (IDG News Service)— 12 July, 2012 11:14.

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/430391/sharp_strip_name_from_flagship_lcd_factory_foxconn_parent_moves/

We can assume that we won't be seeing new ultra-large size LCDs for a long time. The Sharp Sakai factory fell victim to oversupply, and other TV companies are taking note of the hard lesson learned.

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1522 on:** Aug 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM »

Poor Sharp. Did their larger panels also go into competitor's products?

barrister · « **Reply #1523 on:** Aug 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM »

There's no word on that. I assume that the existing large panels will continue to go to the TVs of pre-existing panel clients and to Sharp TVs.

Very sad for Sharp, since the Sakai factory is its flagship facility.

Now that the Sakai factory is about to be owned by the Taiwanese Hon Hai, and Apple is one of the clients of Hon Hai --- magkaroon na kaya ng Apple TV (the media player/receiver) built into a 65" Apple LED TV?

Here Are All The Apple TV Rumors You Need To Know
Seth Fiegerman | May 16, 2012, 11:05 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-apple-tv-rumors-2012-5?op=1#ixzz23Cz7BvYg

Only the Sony-Panasonic OLED can beat the Koreans now.

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1524 on:** Aug 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM »

I think Sharp also manufactures the screens for the Nintendo 3DS, so smaller devices will really be their bread and butter now.

barrister · « **Reply #1525 on:** Aug 11, 2012 at 04:45 PM »

Consumers Telling Apple: 'I Want My iTV'
By PATRICK SEITZPATRICK SEITZ
Posted 08/08/2012 03:32 PM ET

http://news.investors.com/article/621440/201208081532/survey-shows-consumers-want-apple-television.htm

Carlo777 · « **Reply #1526 on:** Aug 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM »

Looks like every major Japanese panel maker is loosing money. Better start really liking them Korean brands - To their credit they've come a long way.

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1527 on:** Aug 12, 2012 at 11:33 AM »

Anecdotally the quality control of the Korean brands seems to be getting bad though, since it's basically just Samsung and LG now.
Also who makes the panels in all the weirdo brands like Skyworth, Devant, Ganzklar, etc?

barrister · « **Reply #1528 on:** Aug 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM »

The unknown brands are not so bad. They use mostly China and Taiwan panels.

Samsung itself uses AUO and Chimei panels on its lower-end TVs and PC monitors to keep up with demand, even if Samsung already has its own LCD panel factory.

Whether you buy an unknown brand or lower-end Samsung branded TV, you could still end up with the same Chimei panel.

DonMiguel85 · « **Reply #1529 on:** Aug 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM »

By the way, I got a new LG 32LK430 to replace the faulty previous unit which had flickering and backlight bleeding issues.
Now the old one had a "Y" in its model number and chevron-shaped pixels, so I guess it was S-IPS.
The newer one has a "D" and it actually has better response time/less ghosting than the S-IPS unit. Could it be an H-IPS panel? Here's a macro pic I took: