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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1530 on: Aug 12, 2012 at 04:53 PM »
Anecdotally the quality control of the Korean brands seems to be getting bad though, since it's basically just Samsung and LG now.
Also who makes the panels in all the weirdo brands like Skyworth, Devant, Ganzklar, etc?

I heard Skyworth and Devant use the same panels.  ::)
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1531 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM »
OLED TV 10 Times More Expensive to Make than LCD TV?
By Rachel Cericola
2012-08-09 - 09:39:03

Excited for those big, beautiful OLED TVs to start selling? You may want to start saving up.

According to new numbers from NPD DisplaySearch, OLED TVs may cost 10 times as much to make over standard LCD TVs being produced today.


http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/OLED-TV-10-Times-More-Expensive-to-Make-than-LCD-TV.shtml
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1532 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM »
OLED TV 10 Times More Expensive to Make than LCD TV?
By Rachel Cericola
2012-08-09 - 09:39:03

Excited for those big, beautiful OLED TVs to start selling? You may want to start saving up.

According to new numbers from NPD DisplaySearch, OLED TVs may cost 10 times as much to make over standard LCD TVs being produced today.


http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/OLED-TV-10-Times-More-Expensive-to-Make-than-LCD-TV.shtml

LG's 55EM9600 is pegged at 9M KRW with VAT (or about 7.9k USD). LG's current flagship 55" LCD has an SRP of 3.8k USD (this is the model that should have a pretty similar feature set), so that's a doubling of price.

I think entry level and mid level TVs would remain LCD-based until OLED panels go down significantly in price.

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1533 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 01:24 PM »
$7,900 daw ang LG OLED 55, but I don't think it's even available for purchase.

It was introduced at the Jan. 2012 CES in Vegas.  In March, 2012, press releases said it will be available in May 2012 at $7,900.  

AFAIK, malapit nang mag September 2012, wala pa rin.  

Press releases said the LG factory can make 48,000 55" OLEDs a month, so I'm wondering why it's not out yet.  Kasi maraming serious issues ang unit?  ;)
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1534 on: Aug 21, 2012 at 02:32 AM »
$7,900 daw ang LG OLED 55, but I don't think it's even available for purchase.

It was introduced at the Jan. 2012 CES in Vegas.  In March, 2012, press releases said it will be available in May 2012 at $7,900.  

AFAIK, malapit nang mag September 2012, wala pa rin.  

Press releases said the LG factory can make 48,000 55" OLEDs a month, so I'm wondering why it's not out yet.  Kasi maraming serious issues ang unit?  ;)

Tingin ko mababa ang panel yields sa manufacturing. Hindi pa siguro narerefine ang process, since they're new to mass producing large panel OLEDs.

Samsung claims na 10M KRW yung 55ES9500 pagrelease. So slightly more than the 55EM9600. Either may problem sila sa yields (kaya mahihirapan sila mameet ang target market price or sales volume), or dinedelay pa nila to milk the current flagship LCD models before mapalitan sa product heirarchy.
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1535 on: Sep 02, 2012 at 08:42 PM »
Hi mga gurus,..

Ask ko lang ano mas okay in terms of movies and gaming........ Plasma 3D or 3D LED? planning to acquire a tv for my living room. Thanks

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« Reply #1536 on: Sep 02, 2012 at 09:25 PM »
Hi mga gurus,..

Ask ko lang ano mas okay in terms of movies and gaming........ Plasma 3D or 3D LED? planning to acquire a tv for my living room. Thanks

Pareho lang sir.  May advantages and disadvantages whichever way you go.

3D LED - may advantage ng choice of passive glasses that are cheaper, lighter, flicker-free; disadvantage of inferior black levels, screen uniformity & viewing angles, and glasses that have less "3D pop" and more crosstalk.

3D plasma - may advantage ng better black levels, screen uniformity & viewing angles, and active glasses that have better "3d pop" and less crosstalk; disadvantage of active-only glasses that are much more expensive, bulkier, heavier, and flicker for some users.  

Problema ang number of 3D glasses on hand if the whole family wants to watch at the same time, or when you're entertaining a lot of guests.  I suggest LED 3D with passive glasses so you can buy as many glasses as you need without having to spend too much.



Tingin ko mababa ang panel yields sa manufacturing. Hindi pa siguro narerefine ang process, since they're new to mass producing large panel OLEDs.

Samsung claims na 10M KRW yung 55ES9500 pagrelease. So slightly more than the 55EM9600. Either may problem sila sa yields (kaya mahihirapan sila mameet ang target market price or sales volume), or dinedelay pa nila to milk the current flagship LCD models before mapalitan sa product heirarchy.

For the manufacturers, waiting longer before releasing a new tech is a dangerous move.  Kodak took too long to develop and release OLED to market, inabutan ng flat panel price drops.  Now, there are thousands of OLED-related patents owned by several corporations such as Eastman Kodak, DuPont, General Electric, and Philips.  There's a scramble to license those patents immediately because most of them are about to expire.

It's unlikely that LG and Samsung are intentionally delaying release, since I'm sure they're worried about competition from the Sony-Panasonic OLED partnership, which is about to release their own OLED TV, maybe next year.

What I notice about my old Samsung Wave AMOLED phone, there's a blue color shift when viewing the screen at an angle.  On my Samsung Advance AMOLED phone, there's a green shift when viewing the screen at an angle.  Based on those observations, I have a feeling that the OLED TVs from LG and Sammy have loads of issues now in prototype, and will still have loads of issues when released.

 
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1537 on: Sep 02, 2012 at 10:30 PM »
w/c one shuld i choose?

40EH5000/5300 1080p
VS
PS51E450 720p

more size but 720p or small screen w/ 1080p resolution? will be used more on cable and 20% movie and streaming online at my bedroom. NOTE that i have ACER5360 720p as my main HT. viewing distance will be from 5-10ft. budget ay nasa 40k lang.

more questions,
1. will i be able to feel the heat of PLASMA when i sit at 5ft away (where my pc is situated)?
2. durable ba ang SAMSUNG PLASMA especially E-series?
3. is SMART TV feature a waste of money if i have a pc just a few feets away?


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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1538 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 03:07 AM »
w/c one shuld i choose?

40EH5000/5300 1080p
VS
PS51E450 720p

more size but 720p or small screen w/ 1080p resolution?

ano ba source mo? 720p or remux?
720p source are best played with 720 panel.same with 1080p
if your 1080 are true 1080 get the 1080p panel.please note some movie encode said 1080 but if you dig dip you get 900, 800 only
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1539 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 03:49 AM »
more questions,
1. will i be able to feel the heat of PLASMA when i sit at 5ft away (where my pc is situated)?
2. durable ba ang SAMSUNG PLASMA especially E-series?
3. is SMART TV feature a waste of money if i have a pc just a few feets away?
1. That depends largely on how you set it, and how cool your room is. If the panel intensity is high, you might feel it. If you watch with a lower panel intensity (like those power saving modes), you should barely notice it.
2. The E series is new, so wala pang long-term reliability info.
3. If the PC is connected to the TV, then the PC could perform the "smart" features.

At 5 feet away, you'd definitely be able to see the pixel structure of a 1024x768 51" Plasma (given that you can still read fine prints on paper). Whether this bothers you or not, will be upto you. 

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1540 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 09:56 AM »
w/c one shuld i choose?

40EH5000/5300 1080p
VS
PS51E450 720p

more size but 720p or small screen w/ 1080p resolution?



1080p dapat sir.  Tama si sir Stagea.  Halata ang pixel structure ng 51E450 from 5 feet away.

Yung mga lumang 50" plasma, kahit 720p lang, OK from 5 feet or more.  Yung mga bagong 50" plasma, kita ang pixel structure pag 720p; 10 feet away ka na, halata pa rin.

My advice: get the 40" LED 1080p.

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1541 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 07:26 PM »
Sony KDL-46BX450 1080p lcdtv vs Samsung PS51E450
i havent tried 46" myself but looking at the calculations here, is the 8% difference in size obvious?  (cant believe im considering an LCDTV ;D )
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« Reply #1542 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 08:45 PM »
Pareho lang sir.  May advantages and disadvantages whichever way you go.

3D LED - may advantage ng choice of passive glasses that are cheaper, lighter, flicker-free; disadvantage of inferior black levels, screen uniformity & viewing angles, and glasses that have less "3D pop" and more crosstalk.

3D plasma - may advantage ng better black levels, screen uniformity & viewing angles, and active glasses that have better "3d pop" and less crosstalk; disadvantage of active-only glasses that are much more expensive, bulkier, heavier, and flicker for some users.  

Problema ang number of 3D glasses on hand if the whole family wants to watch at the same time, or when you're entertaining a lot of guests.  I suggest LED 3D with passive glasses so you can buy as many glasses as you need without having to spend too much.

 

Sir..ano ibig sabihin ng screen uniformity at viewing angles sa LED 3D? And ano ang mas sharper tingnan sa image na 3D, passive or active glasses?
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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1543 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 09:06 PM »

3. is SMART TV feature a waste of money if i have a pc just a few feets away?


As far as I see it, you can only maximize the use of this feature kung nasa US ka,..
I have a Netflix Account kaya nasusulit ko ang feature na ito, pero palagay ko kung nasa Pinas ka,
baka hindi mo rin maaccess ang ilan sa feature nya, maliban sa magiging web browser lang ito,...

Good luck and happy hunting,...

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1544 on: Sep 03, 2012 at 10:55 PM »
Sir..ano ibig sabihin ng screen uniformity at viewing angles sa LED 3D? And ano ang mas sharper tingnan sa image na 3D, passive or active glasses?


Yung evenness ng backlight tapos color accuracy at extreme viewing angles.
I think with active glasses the 3D effect "pops" more, but it can have flickering.

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« Reply #1545 on: Sep 04, 2012 at 03:39 PM »
Sir..ano ibig sabihin ng screen uniformity at viewing angles sa LED 3D? And ano ang mas sharper tingnan sa image na 3D, passive or active glasses?

1. Screen Uniformity - Kung gaano kapantay ang liwanag sa buong screen.  


Sony Bravia Edge LED



2. Viewing Angle - Pag nasa harap ka ng TV, OK ang picture; pag nasa gilid ka ng TV, maputla/madilim ang picture.





3. Sharpness: active vs. passive - Pareho lang kung sharpness per se.  But other factors will affect sharpness.  Crosstalk on active or passive glasses will reduce perceived sharpness; flicker on active glasses will also reduce perceived sharpness. 


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« Reply #1546 on: Sep 11, 2012 at 11:41 PM »
Im planning to buy panasonic plasma 50vt30 and i think this is new model of panasonic.suggestion lng kung ok po ba to sa PQ,and all in all.thanks

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« Reply #1547 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 02:07 AM »
Im planning to buy panasonic plasma 50vt30 and i think this is new model of panasonic.suggestion lng kung ok po ba to sa PQ,and all in all.thanks
50vt30 is 2011 model, vt50 for 2012   ;)
btw there's no 50vt50 for asia, 55" is smallest available in asian market. :)
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« Reply #1548 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 03:13 AM »
Sony KDL-46BX450 1080p lcdtv vs Samsung PS51E450
i havent tried 46" myself but looking at the calculations here, is the 8% difference in size obvious?  (cant believe im considering an LCDTV ;D )

Look at it this way...smaller size=sharper image.  ;D

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« Reply #1549 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 03:17 AM »
Look at it this way...smaller size=sharper image.  ;D
sabi ko nga bro pwede ko lagyan ng arm yung wallmount palapit sa bed para mukhang 50" parin sya  :D
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« Reply #1550 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 03:29 AM »
Sony KDL-46BX450 1080p lcdtv vs Samsung PS51E450
i havent tried 46" myself but looking at the calculations here, is the 8% difference in size obvious?  (cant believe im considering an LCDTV ;D )
Imho: It's not very obvious without anything to compare it to, but you can tell from memory. :)

sabi ko nga bro pwede ko lagyan ng arm yung wallmount palapit sa bed para mukhang 50" parin sya  :D
That's very true. We have TVs in 46", 50", 52" and 54" sizes. How close you are to the screen makes more of a difference than comparing between these sizes.
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« Reply #1551 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 04:07 AM »
Imho: It's not very obvious without anything to compare it to, but you can tell from memory. :)
That's very true. We have TVs in 46", 50", 52" and 54" sizes. How close you are to the screen makes more of a difference than comparing between these sizes.
funny thing about my post is, the wallmount with arms that can do over 42" size tvs is about 8k din :D
konting konti nalang vt30 50" na, plasma pa  ;D
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« Reply #1552 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 04:48 AM »
funny thing about my post is, the wallmount with arms that can do over 42" size tvs is about 8k din :D
konting konti nalang vt30 50" na, plasma pa  ;D

Ayun pala eh. Basta buy lang kung san ka happy. :)

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« Reply #1553 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 04:53 AM »
Ayun pala eh. Basta buy lang kung san ka happy. :)
will do bro, kahit na umabot ng 1 month mag intay para may pandagdag lang, unless paambunan mo ako ng mga ani nyo sa hacienda  ;D
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« Reply #1554 on: Sep 12, 2012 at 06:33 AM »
will do bro, kahit na umabot ng 1 month mag intay para may pandagdag lang, unless paambunan mo ako ng mga ani nyo sa hacienda  ;D

Loko, kayo ang may hacienda sa south. :) Kami lupa lang sa paso, di pa namumunga nakatanim.

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« Reply #1555 on: Sep 25, 2012 at 09:49 PM »
for more natural color display its definitely plasma...you can also watch for longer hours with plasma display comapred with lcds, before you feel eye-fatigue. also plasma has more theater like, and warmer display than lcds

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Re: Plasma vs LCD ?
« Reply #1556 on: Oct 07, 2012 at 09:41 PM »


Best cheap plasma TVs
We've reviewed most of the 2012 bargain and midrange plasma TVs available today. Here are our favorites.
by Ty Pendlebury |September 27, 2012 2:49 PM PDT

Best cheap 720p plasma: Samsung E450 series
Best cheap 1080p plasma: Panasonic U50 series
Best cheap 1080p plasma with 3D, Smart TV: Samsung E550 series
Best overall value: Panasonic UT50 series

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57521401-221/best-cheap-plasma-tvs/

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« Reply #1557 on: Oct 08, 2012 at 09:28 AM »
whats the difference with these two models of panny plasma? TH-P42ST30S and TH-P42UT30S? any known issues for those two? planning to get any of these two models coz their price is almost the same, just need to know the difference between them. and can any them be good for xbox360 gaming, cable tv, movies and occasionally hooking up to my PC as a secondary monitor? tnx for the inputs.

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« Reply #1558 on: Oct 08, 2012 at 09:51 AM »
ST30 (Top) vs UT30 (bottom)



-both set to dafault modes

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« Reply #1559 on: Nov 03, 2012 at 02:08 AM »
OLED TV --- wala na naman...  :P 
 
 
 
Samsung and LG's OLED TV revolution delayed until 2013
By Jon Mundy
19 October 2012
 
There will be no OLED television sets in 2012, according to a recent report. Manufacturing issues are hampering both Samsung and LG’s efforts to get the next generation display technology into its sets.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-and-lg-s-oled-tv-revolution-delayed-until-2013
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