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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #540 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 10:54 AM »
Wala pa pupuntahan ko pa lang sa suking tindahan natin.
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Yan nasa pic yun may USB, ayaw ko niyan. Mas importante sa atin yun DFX brader, yun dapat ang 100% na meron sa model na kukunin mo.

Good luck, happy hunting.


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #541 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:03 AM »

Mere mortal lang not a guru here.... Mixer alone = no. Pero mixer + gate/compressor = yes. Yan matagal ko na gustong gawin pero wala eh, buti pa project ng iba tao nagagawa ko. ;D ;D ;D

Ikakabit mo lang gate/compressor dun sa line signal coming from videoke player, the mics are better uncompressed. Yan eh kung marunong ang kumakanta, yun tipong nilalayo ang mic sa mouth during loud passages. Meron kasi kumakanta halos isubo yun mic. If that is the case, gating/compressing the whole can provide an insurance for your amp/speakers. Pwede mo na gamitin send/return or proc out ng mixer if ever ganyan connection.


Thanks sir Jojo for the reply. 

So now what is the main benefit of adding a mixer in a karaoke system? I understand purpose of mixer is to control / manage multiple sound sources (eg musical instruments, mics).  Tama po ba?

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #542 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:14 AM »
Thanks sir Jojo for the reply. 

So now what is the main benefit of adding a mixer in a karaoke system? I understand purpose of mixer is to control / manage multiple sound sources (eg musical instruments, mics).  Tama po ba?


IMHO, some of the advantages I experienced were:

1. I can use more than two mics.
2. I can vary/control the tonal quality of each mic independently.
3. Obviously, I can use whatever brand of mic I have laying around. Branded or unbranded.
4. The onboard echo effects of videoke players are, well, just that. Echo echo echo echo....
5. I can vary the amount of dfx per mic too.
6. I can vary the levels of each mic independently as well as the minus one from the player.
7. As I mentioned on my other reply, a gate/compressor can be used for the music and limiters for the mics via send/return connection.
8. Pan. A versatile feature wherein you can play the music on one channel and the voices on another. I've tried this and it's fun but there needs to be a monitor speaker directly in front of the singer so that the singer can hear the minus one directly.

And many many more. Sakit na daliri ko mag type.


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #543 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:15 AM »
I understand purpose of mixer is to control / manage multiple sound sources (eg musical instruments, mics).  Tama po ba?


I forgot to answer this. Yes tama naman din po ito sir.


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #544 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:27 AM »

3. Obviously, I can use whatever brand of mic I have laying around. Branded or unbranded.

Dito ko lang nalaman as posted din earlier na namimili pala ng mic ang mga players.


Sakit na daliri ko mag type. Nyeahaha! Type pa more!


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #545 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:28 AM »
Many thanks sir Jojo.  Very informative :)

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #546 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:50 AM »
Funny thing about mics... I don't know if I'll be amazed or nervous when my unica hija watch DVD concerts and utter comments like...

"Look Daddy oh Behringer mic gamit ni Josh Groban!" or sometimes naman... "That must be a Shure cardioid microphone!"

Ninenerbiyos ako baka biglang magpabili. ;D

There are times family discussion be like:

"Daddy ano kaya klaseng plate reverb ginamit sa boses ni Phil Collins and Steve Perry? They sound synthesized no?"

Proud naman ako at least because of this videoke entertainment my kids and I have a common ground. Diyan pa lang sulit na. Hindi kasi ako maka-relate sa mga K-Pop topics nila eh.  :o

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #547 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 11:52 AM »
Many thanks sir Jojo.  Very informative :)

You're welcome sir.

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #548 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 01:02 PM »

Yan nasa pic yun may USB, ayaw ko niyan. Mas importante sa atin yun DFX brader, yun dapat ang 100% na meron sa model na kukunin mo.

Good luck, happy hunting.
May DFX brader

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #549 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 01:11 PM »
Funny thing about mics... I don't know if I'll be amazed or nervous when my unica hija watch DVD concerts and utter comments like...

"Look Daddy oh Behringer mic gamit ni Josh Groban!" or sometimes naman... "That must be a Shure cardioid microphone!"

Ninenerbiyos ako baka biglang magpabili. ;D

There are times family discussion be like:

"Daddy ano kaya klaseng plate reverb ginamit sa boses ni Phil Collins and Steve Perry? They sound synthesized no?"

Proud naman ako at least because of this videoke entertainment my kids and I have a common ground. Diyan pa lang sulit na. Hindi kasi ako maka-relate sa mga K-Pop topics nila eh.  :o

Like Father, Like Daughter!!!

Sa amin:  "Papa ang ingay naman ng music mo"
Basta hinde mga hip hop na tugtog eh maingay na agad.

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #550 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 01:31 PM »
Wala pa ring nakagamit sa inyo nito?
May built in compressor na. http://www.phonic.com/mixers/celeus-200/


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #551 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 01:42 PM »
Like Father, Like Daughter!!!

Sa amin:  "Papa ang ingay naman ng music mo"
Basta hinde mga hip hop na tugtog eh maingay na agad.


Pati sa pagkain kung ano gusto ko siya din gusto nila LOL

Lately ako na nagtatanong sa kanila ng mga new song titles, hindi ko na nasusundan mga bago songs today. 


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #552 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 03:38 PM »
Wala pa ring nakagamit sa inyo nito?
May built in compressor na. http://www.phonic.com/mixers/celeus-200/


CELEUS 400 un dati kong tinarget... di natuloy hehe

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #553 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 05:47 PM »
CELEUS 400 un dati kong tinarget... di natuloy hehe

Tuluyan mo na hehehe...

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #554 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 05:48 PM »
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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #555 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 05:52 PM »
Tuluyan mo na hehehe...

Nakaka-lula ang controls e parang complicated lolz

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #556 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 05:57 PM »
ako eto yung tinatarget ko sa mixer qx1204

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51cdBEVjnOL.jpg

Ay type! ;D


Nakaka-lula ang controls e parang complicated lolz

Oo nga sir tama tuluyan mo na. ;D

Wag ka malula sa mga controls na yan. Parang babae lang yan sir. Kung ang lalaki isa lang ang switch ang mga babae sandamukal ang knobs and switches, pero once napaamo mo na, hayahay ka na for life. ;)  >:D

Wag ka matakot andito naman kami.

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #557 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 06:12 PM »
Ay type! ;D


Oo nga sir tama tuluyan mo na. ;D

Wag ka malula sa mga controls na yan. Parang babae lang yan sir. Kung ang lalaki isa lang ang switch ang mga babae sandamukal ang knobs and switches, pero once napaamo mo na, hayahay ka na for life. ;)  >:D HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Putukan na!!!  O0

Wag ka matakot andito naman kami.

Tama, andito si master J to help. Once isa isa mo na maishoot solve na. Kahit sa dilim 3 points o dunk, sisiw. Di mo kailangang ilabas-pasok ang mga plugs, once naipasok mo na pirmi na yun dun at yung mga pinipihit naman, have a list o take some pics para di ka mawindang hehe...

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #558 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 06:33 PM »
I take back what I said about tj media 304p and platinum kapitan 2 having almost the same SQ. Malayong mas maganda ang sq ng tj. Pansin ito pag sa player isaksak ang mic.

Pero pag may mixer medyobmaging non-factor.

Sir JojoD, what does DFX do? 

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #559 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 06:42 PM »
have a list o take some pics para di ka mawindang hehe...

Since I made my own mic cables (may mahaba kahit hanggang cr namin abot at may maiksi din para hindi hassle sa pagligpit) I used colored connectors like these.





Very useful yan pag nagtitimpla ka, once you knowt the color of the mic being used alam mo agad kung nasaan column ka ng mixer mo gagalaw.

Kung tipid mode naman at ayaw magpalit ng connectors, or kung buo pa naman yun stock mic cables mo, punta ka lang sa mga old auto supply store, nakakabili ng different colored reflector stickers yun madalas ginagamit sa mga jeepney. Lagyan mo lang yun mic and yun corresponding TS plug ng mic hindi ka na maliligaw pa.



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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #560 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 06:46 PM »
^para sa mga echo, reverb etc. kaya mas ok yung mixer na may DSP. para hindi mo na kailngan magkabit ng separate effects controller e.g. lexicon mx200/300

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #561 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 06:48 PM »
I take back what I said about tj media 304p and platinum kapitan 2 having almost the same SQ. Malayong mas maganda ang sq ng tj. Pansin ito pag sa player isaksak ang mic.

Pero pag may mixer medyobmaging non-factor.

Sir JojoD, what does DFX do? 

Sir, for the usual intents and purposes, ok na yun built in mic preamp and echo effects ng mga players. Magkakaproblema ka lang pag dalawang mic na ginamit mo lalu na pag magkaiba ng brand (branded or brandless it doesn't matter). Iisa lang kasi ang level control since naka summing amp lang yun dalawang mic preamps.

DFX = digital effects. Usually a microprocessor for simulating digital delay echo/reverb processing. Yun mga built-in, echo lang yan, hindi reverb. Pwede na din, pero pag nakasubok ka ng naka dfx processor para ka nasa bar or mini concert kumakanta. Sadly, you need a mixer to do that sir.


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #562 on: Dec 29, 2017 at 06:50 PM »
Yan echo parang EQ nun araw, inaabuso. Yun mga for rent na videoke halos itodo ang delay at level ng echo. Yun tipong pag nagsabi ka ng "thank you" habang nakatayo, eh nakaupo ka na sa upuan mo hindi pa tapos yun echo. ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #563 on: Dec 30, 2017 at 02:58 PM »
ako eto yung tinatarget ko sa mixer qx1204

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51cdBEVjnOL.jpg

how much ito bro? parang di entry level :D
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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #564 on: Dec 30, 2017 at 03:45 PM »
Sir...so ano yung EFX dun sa mixer, ano ang kaibahan pa nya sa DFX...Which one is better ung EFX or ung DFX equipped mixer?

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #565 on: Dec 30, 2017 at 08:03 PM »
Sir...so ano yung EFX dun sa mixer, ano ang kaibahan pa nya sa DFX...

Actually iisa lang yan sir. Although DFX is the proper term since it's via digital processing. Nakasanayan na lang yun EFX since noon pa EFX na kasi ang tawag. Parang Send/Return, same lang sa Line In/Out except that you can vary the amount of signal you "send". The varying naman is coined as Wet/Dry Mix.

Dami dami lang kakaibang terms pero nothing new naman sir.

Yun naman types of effects, usual na yun 100 choices (00-99), iba iba,,, meron reverb, plate reverb, echo, hall, auditorium, etc etc etc. Wag mo na sir itanong sa akin kung ano ang kaibahan masakit na daliri ko mag type.  ;D ;D ;D

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Which one is better ung EFX or ung DFX equipped mixer?

A separate DFX processor will always be better, pero nowadays nakikita ko sa mga nag se-setup sa mga bars puro built-in na sa mixer ang effects processor.

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #566 on: Dec 30, 2017 at 09:41 PM »
kakadeliver lang ni lbc ng platinum vol 79 sd card for piano :) ordered via website, ready na sa kantahan tom.

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #567 on: Dec 30, 2017 at 09:47 PM »
how much ito bro? parang di entry level :D
maganda kasi yung effects niya, nasa 14k+ cguro yan. hehe!

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #568 on: Dec 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM »
Yooowwnn thanks Sir Jojo.....Happy singing na lang tom...HAPPY NEW YEAR👍😊

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Re: Another videoke question
« Reply #569 on: Dec 31, 2017 at 02:11 AM »
kakadeliver lang ni lbc ng platinum vol 79 sd card for piano :) ordered via website, ready na sa kantahan tom.
how much? 899 sa Game Extreme di ako kumuha eh namamahalan ako?

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