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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #270 on: Sep 08, 2015 at 06:04 PM »
Marami ang hindi tanggap noon, na tanggap na ngayon. Like mothers working while fathers run the household. Hindi yun tanggap 50 years ago pero ngayon medyo okay na. Even the CONCEPT of women's rights hindi tanggap 100 years ago, pero ngayon okay na.

Hell, even your beloved Christianity, hindi tanggap noong Roman times.

Is that the lesson you wish to share to your children? Don't do anything na "hindi tanggap" ng nakararami because you don't wish for them to be different, stand out or rock the boat for fear of them being ostracized? Even if that thing na "hindi tanggap" isn't inherently wrong?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #271 on: Sep 08, 2015 at 07:56 PM »
The Bible say it is wrong kaya iyon ang ituturo namin... Ang moral sin na homosexuality noon, ay moral sin pa rin hanggang ngayon.

Kahit anong baliktad gawin mo, hindi maganda sa bata na lumaki sa parehong father ang pagiisip at galaw o parehong mother ang pagiisip at galaw.

There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #272 on: Sep 08, 2015 at 09:05 PM »
Marami ang hindi tanggap noon, na tanggap na ngayon. Like mothers working while fathers run the household. Hindi yun tanggap 50 years ago pero ngayon medyo okay na. Even the CONCEPT of women's rights hindi tanggap 100 years ago, pero ngayon okay na.

Hell, even your beloved Christianity, hindi tanggap noong Roman times.

Is that the lesson you wish to share to your children? Don't do anything na "hindi tanggap" ng nakararami because you don't wish for them to be different, stand out or rock the boat for fear of them being ostracized? Even if that thing na "hindi tanggap" isn't inherently wrong?


Kahit anong baliktad mo sa sinasabi ko ang mundo parang gulong iyan. Babalik at babalik rin iyan sa tama. Kung sa tingin mo umikot iyung gulong at medyo lumihis patungo sa mga nais mo hindi rin tatagal iyun.

Makinig ka sa tama. Huwag mong ipinaiiral ang mga nais mong wala naman sa lugar.

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #273 on: Sep 08, 2015 at 10:15 PM »
Kahit anong baliktad mo sa sinasabi ko ang mundo parang gulong iyan. Babalik at babalik rin iyan sa tama. Kung sa tingin mo umikot iyung gulong at medyo lumihis patungo sa mga nais mo hindi rin tatagal iyun.

Makinig ka sa tama. Huwag mong ipinaiiral ang mga nais mong wala naman sa lugar.

This kind of attitude is PRECISELY the reason it took more than 300 years for us to kick out Spain.

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #274 on: Sep 09, 2015 at 02:39 AM »
This kind of attitude is PRECISELY the reason it took more than 300 years for us to kick out Spain.

Before spaniards came in the Philippines, mother and father are the normal norm of family.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #275 on: Sep 09, 2015 at 04:07 AM »
This kind of attitude is PRECISELY the reason it took more than 300 years for us to kick out Spain.

Lumihis na ang usapan at hindi mo na nasagot ang mga katanungan ko sa simpleng bagay na pagpapalaki ng anak ng magulang na parehas ang kasarian. Ang naging sagot mo lang ay kaya o kakayanin tutal may mga kamag anak naman. Meron pa ... magaling naman iyung ibang magulang kasi fashion designer sila ... ang "galing" mo naman sumagot at umiwas.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #276 on: Sep 09, 2015 at 04:14 AM »
Before spaniards came in the Philippines, mother and father are the normal norm of family.

@Klaus, ano nga ba ang umiiral noon bago dumating itong mga dayuhan? Sasagot na ako kasi iiwas ka rin lang naman eh ... "wala pa ako sa panahon na iyun ... magbasa ka na lang patungkol sa kasaysayan ng Pilipinas" ...
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #277 on: Sep 09, 2015 at 09:07 AM »
Lumihis na ang usapan at hindi mo na nasagot ang mga katanungan ko sa simpleng bagay na pagpapalaki ng anak ng magulang na parehas ang kasarian. Ang naging sagot mo lang ay kaya o kakayanin tutal may mga kamag anak naman. Meron pa ... magaling naman iyung ibang magulang kasi fashion designer sila ... ang "galing" mo naman sumagot at umiwas.

Hindi ako umiiwas. I'm just not answering what you want to hear. Na-post ko na ang mga studies na ang mga batang lumaki sa same sex parents do just as well as those of opposite sex parents, on the average. It shows that the biological gender of the parents matters very little if you raise the child with love and care. Ayaw ka naman maniwala.

You are still stuck in the gender-box mentality (men = breadwinners; women = nurturers). You also seem to have a low opinion on adoption, that someone could not possibly love a child not biologically their own or at least not as much.

You seem to also place a value on conformity to the majority and blind obedience to the authority (which is what I meant when I said that's why it took the Philippines centuries to kick out Spain, na-brainwash na tayo ng mga prayle which lives to this day, unfortunately).

You don't seem to place a value on individuality. You seem to champion to fit in as much as possible and not rock the boat as much as possible. A child from a same sex family comes from a family that's not in the majority, true. And he may get flak for it. But so will the child that comes from a single parent family, a child that comes from a family of a different religion, or a child coming from a different culture, etc. Lahat tayo iba-iba. May kanila-kanilang ka-weirdohan. Being raised by a same-sex couple is NO DIFFERENT from those.

You seem to be of the mindset that if your child gets bullied, it must be the fault of your child. Your child is doing something way too weird to be a target of bullies. If your son likes to wear pink, and he gets bullied for it, you probably think it's your son's fault and not the bullies' fault. Personally, there's nothing wrong with a boy wearing pink. If a boy wants to wear pink, he should have the freedom to do so. Gusto niya yan, eh. Wala naman siya sinasaktan. Ano pakialam ng iba kung ano ang gusto niya?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #278 on: Sep 09, 2015 at 12:37 PM »
I'm nearly 100% sure it's one of three things:

teacher: "Pedro, 1 + 1 is ?"
student: "ma'am, 100% sigurado po ako na isa diyan ang tamang sagot sa tanong. kung hindi A ay B. kung hindi A o B ay C"
teacher: "umupo ka na Pedro"

 :o ;D


1. An outright lie.

2. A deliberate misquote/exaggeration.

3. They found the most extreme liberal feminist lesbian they could find who's not at all representative of 99% of all LGBT's and LGBT activists.


based on ?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #280 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 12:58 AM »

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #281 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 02:57 AM »
There is none righteous, no not one.

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #282 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:42 AM »
if the union of two male partners or for that matter two female partners can produce a natural born child, i am for it, otherwise they are an abomination...

now a union between a bakla and a tomboy and procreating is a wonderful thing...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #283 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 08:19 AM »
now a union between a bakla and a tomboy and procreating is a wonderful thing...

Well, I guess there is nothing wrong here Biblically. :):)
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #284 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 11:58 AM »
aand there are some avowed bakla marrying the opposite sex,
Ogie Alcasid, and Jun Encarnacion for example, i sure there are many others....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #285 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 01:22 PM »
^Ogie Diaz yata, not Alcasid.

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« Reply #286 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 01:40 PM »
^Ogie Diaz yata, not Alcasid.

hehehehe, oo nga ano, sorry po, senor lang....:D
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #287 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 02:35 PM »
hehehehe, oo nga ano, sorry po, senor lang....:D

Ka Tony, ano ba ibig sabihin ng marraige?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #288 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:36 PM »
if the union of two male partners or for that matter two female partners can produce a natural born child, i am for it, otherwise they are an abomination...

So the union of a sterile couple and an older couple (past the age of procreation) is also an abomination?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #289 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 07:39 PM »
So the union of a sterile couple and an older couple (past the age of procreation) is also an abomination?

how can it be? your logic is something else......
God designed that man will take a woman, the woman will be his wife
and together they will become as one....

nothing comes out of the union between a man and another man...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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« Reply #290 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 10:12 PM »
how can it be? your logic is something else......
God designed that man will take a woman, the woman will be his wife
and together they will become as one....

nothing comes out of the union between a man and another man...

I'm just using your logic. You say a homosexual relationship cannot produce a natural born child that's why it's an abomination. Well, sterile couples and older couples cannot produce natural born children either. So therefore, they are abominations na rin.

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #291 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 10:26 PM »
The Bible says homosexuality are abomination (period).

Walang sinasabi sa Bible na sex between sterile couple is abomination.
Wala ring sinasabi na sex between older couple is abomination.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #292 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 11:28 PM »
Eating shrimp is also described in the Bible as an abomination.

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #293 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 11:42 PM »
Eating shrimp is also described in the Bible as an abomination.

Can you kindly cite the verses in the bible where eating shrimp is an abomination?

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #294 on: Oct 08, 2015 at 11:48 PM »
Eating shrimp is also described in the Bible as an abomination.

Going circle again, Klaus?

Is eating shrimp a moral law or ceremonial law (eg garments, menstruation etc)? Moral law such as homosexuality still applicable today but ceremonial law exclusively for the nation of Israel back then is not applicable today, the same will apply to all civic law intended for Israel back then.

Murder, adultery, homosexuality, so on and so forth are all considered moral sin and still applicable today. Please study first the all type/kind of law in the Bible before you post.
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #295 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 12:08 AM »
Eating shrimp is also described in the Bible as an abomination.

You can eat shrimp....
Mark 7:19
19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)


On homosexuality....
1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #296 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 06:58 AM »
if the union of two male partners or for that matter two female partners can produce a natural born child, i am for it, otherwise they are an abomination...

now a union between a bakla and a tomboy and procreating is a wonderful thing...
sa office namin meron ganito; gwaping na tomboy at magandang bakla.  di rin nagtagal, nambabae si tomboy (kahit nabilhan ng auto ni bakla)  >:D
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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #297 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 07:11 AM »
sa office namin meron ganito; gwaping na tomboy at magandang bakla.  di rin nagtagal, nambabae si tomboy (kahit nabilhan ng auto ni bakla)  >:D

aawww...

spiritually speaking - mahina talaga ang puso at laman ng isang tao
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« Reply #298 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 07:25 AM »
I'm just using your logic. You say a homosexual relationship cannot produce a natural born child that's why it's an abomination. Well, sterile couples and older couples cannot produce natural born children either. So therefore, they are abominations na rin.

how can?

how can it be? your logic is something else......
God designed that man will take a woman, the woman will be his wife
and together they will become as one....

nothing comes out of the union between a man and another man...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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Re: LGBT Issues - Religious Version
« Reply #299 on: Oct 09, 2015 at 07:27 AM »
sa office namin meron ganito; gwaping na tomboy at magandang bakla.  di rin nagtagal, nambabae si tomboy (kahit nabilhan ng auto ni bakla)  >:D

malinaw naman ang motivation.......pera pera lang....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....