Topic: LGBT Issues - Religious Version

[Nicadraus]

So you're saying they should just keep quiet and give up? If minorities did that, the blacks in the U.S. wouldn't have civil rights, women wouldn't have the right to vote. Hell, we'd still be a colony of Spain. Pero ganyan talaga ang Pinoy. Napaka-subservient sa mga may kapangyarihan at ng majority. Kahit na mali na sila, mas mabuti mag-tahimik na lang kayo imbis na guluhin pa ang status quo. Naku, masyadong nose bleed ang usapan na yan. Buti, wag na lang pag-usapan. Ayoko mag-isip o mag-question ng aking mga paniniwala.

Kaya hindi umuunlad ang Pinas. Not only about LGBT rights, mind you, but about listening to new, strange and weird ideas. We shut down anyone who dares think differently, who dares question what we're used to, etc. If we foster that kind of conformist, defeatist, anti-intellectual and frankly, BIGOTED attitude, we won't progress as a nation.

In the first place, are you (the LGBT) are being oppressed? What nose bleed are you referring to? You think we don't understand sh!t about your pointless concerns? Who are you calling conformist, defeatist, anti-intellectual and a bigoted attitude? Me, us who don't agree with your idiotic non-sense?

The right(s) you're trying to point to us is(are) useless and is very much different from what you compared again. Such a stupid comparison. Comparing this issue with the rights of the blacks, women, etc. to LGBT. Why the hell would we stand up for what we think isn't right for us that YOU, are trying to force us to accept it.

You Klaus, is a big joke. Stop fooling yourself and trolling us here. Now, I'm going to stop feeding you.

[dpogs]

Blacks and women are person/people... Homosexuality is not a person its a lifestyle/practice. Ang layo ng comparison. :-D:-D

Palibhasa sa mga komedyante naniniwala di na madifferentiate kaibahan between person and lifestyles. Tsk. "movie pa more"...

[Nicadraus]

Klaus started an LGBT thread in the Big talk section. Then when people told him not to include religion in the issue, he then created a new one in the Religion section which has nothing to do with the LGBT. But he insists that religion is part of the LGBT and that religion condones homosexuality.

Masyadong kulang sa pansin itong tao na ito. Obviously, ayaw nga ng mga tao isali ang religion sa issue na ito pero may problema sa pag iisip si Klaus at gumawa pa ng isa para tirahin at i-disrespect ang karamihan dito.

By the way, the LGBT thread doesn't even deserve to be in the Big Talk section. As if the entire pdvd community needs to discuss about it.

Hello Klaus??? Nakakaintindi ka ba?

[dpogs]

lgbt religion version thread tapos may black, women, civil rights, etc na nasama na naman... LOL di mapakali sa isang bagay eh...

[jhelenz]

pinapatulan pa kasi,next time mag post wag na kayo mag reply.kasi pag nag reply kayo at wala syang maisagot gagawa na naman sya ng ibang istorya.tingin ko minsan wala lang talaga sya magawa kaya ine entertain nya sarili nya by starting some sort of argument.tuwang tuwa naman sya pag may naaasar syang tao.yung iba affected na talaga e,samanatalang sya parang katuwaan lang lahat ng ito.i dont know why some people take him seriously e sya naman nagsabi na di sya bading.so ang purpose lang talaga nya e mang inis

[dpogs]

pinapatulan pa kasi,next time mag post wag na kayo mag reply.kasi pag nag reply kayo at wala syang maisagot gagawa na naman sya ng ibang istorya.tingin ko minsan wala lang talaga sya magawa kaya ine entertain nya sarili nya by starting some sort of argument.tuwang tuwa naman sya pag may naaasar syang tao.yung iba affected na talaga e,samanatalang sya parang katuwaan lang lahat ng ito.i dont know why some people take him seriously e sya naman nagsabi na di sya bading.so ang purpose lang talaga nya e mang inis

once na umamin kasi... wala na agad ang theory niya na homosexuality is not a choice

[bumblebee]

I think you are all missing the point of this thread, which is to discuss if religion has anything to do with LGBT discrimination. Apparently, based on the responses here, there is. Instead looking at it from the outside, you all chose to defend your beliefs from the inside. It would also be great if you won't just defend, ala Mayweather. Why not be on the offensive for once, state your religion's view on homosexuality and then discuss?

The name calling isn't helping your cause, whatever that might be. I also think the "Eli Soriano"-esque style of debate is really getting annoying.

And yes, the analogy on blacks, women and slavery works for me.

[tony]

So you're saying they should just keep quiet and give up? If minorities did that, the blacks in the U.S. wouldn't have civil rights, women wouldn't have the right to vote. Hell, we'd still be a colony of Spain. Pero ganyan talaga ang Pinoy. Napaka-subservient sa mga may kapangyarihan at ng majority. Kahit na mali na sila, mas mabuti mag-tahimik na lang kayo imbis na guluhin pa ang status quo. Naku, masyadong nose bleed ang usapan na yan. Buti, wag na lang pag-usapan. Ayoko mag-isip o mag-question ng aking mga paniniwala.

Kaya hindi umuunlad ang Pinas. Not only about LGBT rights, mind you, but about listening to new, strange and weird ideas. We shut down anyone who dares think differently, who dares question what we're used to, etc. If we foster that kind of conformist, defeatist, anti-intellectual and frankly, BIGOTED attitude, we won't progress as a nation.

but, but, this is hardly the place....
go elect your LGBT solons, LGBT president, town mayors, governors, IOW, politicians...
and then you will get somewhere....
over here you are merely trolling....
BTW, i nominate Vice Ganda for president....
she speaks more sense than most politicians i know...')

[Nelson de Leon]

I just watched a video from Russia where the gays there are openly mocked, ridiculed and physically abused by a certain gang. Reporting the incidents to their authorities proved futile. Tsk tsk tsk. I also remembered that in Russia, during the early 1900s, Christianity and other religions were being targeted by authorities. The government I think, during those times, does not want any religion to dominate their country.

[barrister]

I also think the "Eli Soriano"-esque style of debate is really getting annoying.

That's understandable.
 
Kung ako yung hindi makasagot ng simpleng tanong, mayayamot din ako... 
 

[dpogs]

That's understandable.
 
Kung ako yung hindi makasagot ng simpleng tanong, mayayamot din ako... 
 

or magpost na lang ng qoutes ng mga comedian

[bumblebee]

or magpost na lang ng qoutes ng mga comedian

So what's your religion's take?

[dpogs]

So what's your religion's take?

Post/Reply #1

[rascal101]

@bumblebee,

There is no point at all to this thread at all except to add more posts for the threadstarter .... and trolling.

And, you ... are you by chance a supporter of trolls?

[rascal101]

Anong punto magsimula ng isang talakayan pero kapag tinanong mo nililihis ang sagot.

[bumblebee]

Post/Reply #1

So for you, it is a choice. Did you choose to be male? Can you choose to be gay, meaning you can be pleasured by men?

[DVD_Freak]

So for you, it is a choice. Did you choose to be male? Can you choose to be gay, meaning you can be pleasured by men?

Countless times na nasagot ni dpogs yan. 

[bumblebee]

Countless times na nasagot ni dpogs yan. 

Hindi ko na maalalala e. Ano raw?

[DVD_Freak]

Hindi ko na maalalala e. Ano raw?

Some of his replies from about at least a dozen of it...

so homosexuality (i mean an act of it) is always a choice.

naman... ever since galit naman talga ako sa homosexuality (not gays - but the act of it)

[bumblebee]

Thanks, but I'd like him to answer the questions directly to the point.

[Klaus Weasley]

Blacks and women are person/people... Homosexuality is not a person its a lifestyle/practice. Ang layo ng comparison. :-D:-D

If homosexuality is a lifestyle/practice, you know what else is a lifestyle/practice? RELIGION. Ibig sabihin ba nun okay lang sa iyo ang i-discriminate kita dahil sa relihiyon mo? Okay lang sa iyo ang pagtawanan kita, i-bully kita, ipapabugbog kita, pagbawalan kita magpakasal sa minamahal mo dahil iba ang relihiyon mo sa akin? Sinful ka sa religion ko, bakit kita irerespeto?

Kung ayaw mo ng tinetrato ka ng ganito, ba't hindi ka na lang mag-agree sa religion ko? DI BA LIFESTYLE CHOICE DIN ANG RELIGION?!? I would argue it's far more of a lifestyle choice than homosexuality. Your sexual orientation is innate and not a choice. You can switch religions without killing yourself. Wala among narinig na kaso na nagpakamatay dahil pinilit niyang maging Kristyano pero hindi niya kaya.

[Klaus Weasley]

Bigotymology: What It Really Means to Be a Bigot.

A bigot is credulous: he believes things strongly, even superstition, to the point of self-deception because he takes things on faith.

A bigot is certain: he believes with such sureness the infallibility of his chosen authority to the point of dogmatism and fanaticism.

A bigot is obstinate: he believes even in the face of contradictory facts because he is married to his opinion and bound by his creed.

To a bigot, it’s not the opinion itself that has power; it’s the authority figure from whom the bigot received the opinion. Whether you believe by authority — especially religious ones — is ultimately what determines whether a believer is a bigot.

[rascal101]

If homosexuality is a lifestyle/practice, you know what else is a lifestyle/practice? RELIGION. Ibig sabihin ba nun okay lang sa iyo ang i-discriminate kita dahil sa relihiyon mo? Okay lang sa iyo ang pagtawanan kita, i-bully kita, ipapabugbog kita, pagbawalan kita magpakasal sa minamahal mo dahil iba ang relihiyon mo sa akin? Sinful ka sa religion ko, bakit kita irerespeto?

Kung ayaw mo ng tinetrato ka ng ganito, ba't hindi ka na lang mag-agree sa religion ko? DI BA LIFESTYLE CHOICE DIN ANG RELIGION?!? I would argue it's far more of a lifestyle choice than homosexuality. Your sexual orientation is innate and not a choice. You can switch religions without killing yourself. Wala among narinig na kaso na nagpakamatay dahil pinilit niyang maging Kristyano pero hindi niya kaya.

Fashionista ka pala ... lifestyle na pala ang relihiyon ... akala ko ba eh nag-aral ka sa Katolikong eskwelahan ... hindi gawa ng tao ang pinaiiral kung hindi ang gusto ng panginoon na ganapin natin. Daming masama sa mundo hindi lang Katoliko. Gawin mo rin halimbawa ibang mga tao. Mismo iyung sarili nilang paniniwala binabalewala at pinagpapalit palit para lang "in" sila.

[dpogs]

Thanks, but I'd like him to answer the questions directly to the point.

please back read in this thread and on the other thread


There is nothing wrong being heterosexual or being homosexual.
The Bible says we need to love one another but it doesn't says that we need to have sex with one another because the Bible condemns same sex intercourse (homosexuality) and adultery.
The Bible gives hopes to all hetero or homosexual but condemns sins and same sex intercourse (homosexuality).

we dont have a choice if male or female tayo ipinanganak... but we have a choice to practice sex or to have a relationship.



matagal na naming hinahantay na patunayan ng mga radical lgbt supporter ang ni-claim nila na sang-ayon ang Bible sa idea ng homosexuality or same sex intercourse... so far wala pang matinong paliwanag o kasagutan... qoute lang ng comedian nabasa namin, civil rights at saka definition ng bigot

[bumblebee]

...
we dont have a choice if male or female tayo ipinanganak... but we have a choice to practice sex or to have a relationship.

Tama. But you are confusing homosexual acts with being homosexual. Ang itinatanong ko ay mapipili mo ba yung pagiging homosexual? Kaya mo bang piliing magkagusto o ma-attract sa kapwa mo lalaki?

matagal na naming hinahantay na patunayan ng mga radical lgbt supporter ang ni-claim nila na sang-ayon ang Bible sa idea ng homosexuality or same sex intercourse... so far wala pang matinong paliwanag o kasagutan... qoute lang ng comedian nabasa namin, civil rights at saka definition ng bigot

Klaus is using quotes from the Bible to counter your arguments. He's trying to show you how the Bible can be subject to interpretation, as if the sheer number of Christian religion is not enough to prove that. And so far rin, all you do is tell him he's wrong by dissecting his arguments, but you stop there. Why don't you point him to verses he can read to support your belief? Baka magpasalamat pa sa'yo yan.

[dpogs]

Tama. But you are confusing homosexual acts with being homosexual. Ang itinatanong ko ay mapipili mo ba yung pagiging homosexual? Kaya mo bang piliing magkagusto o ma-attract sa kapwa mo lalaki?

attraction to opposite sex, same sex, minor, inanimate object, AI, animals... we all have a desire... now whether those desire are choice or not... lets talk about that sa kabialgn thread...

im not confuse kaya ko nga nasabi na ang homosexuality is a choice because it is an act... kung nagbabasa ka sana ng mga post ko whehter being homosexual a choice or not... just read my post sa other thread kung ang pagiging homosexual ba ay choice or not... but under this thread all i can say is homosexuality is a choice... having sex with opposite or same gender is always a choice... having a relationship with oppoiste or same gender is always a choice...

Klaus is using quotes from the Bible to counter your arguments. He's trying to show you how the Bible can be subject to interpretation, as if the sheer number of Christian religion is not enough to prove that. And so far rin, all you do is tell him he's wrong by dissecting his arguments, but you stop there. Why don't you point him to verses he can read to support your belief? Baka magpasalamat pa sa'yo yan.

and barrister shows how ridicoluis is Klaus' interpreation of those verses... and we're waiting on his reply pero qoute nga lang ng comedian ang nabasa namin saka definition ng bigot


same sex intercourse is prohibited in the Bible:

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Lev. 18:22)

26 For this reason wGod gave them up to xdishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Rom. 1:26-27)

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (I Cor. 6:9)\


now... how about you.... what's your religion (if meron man) says about homosexuality?

[Klaus Weasley]

same sex intercourse is prohibited in the Bible:

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Lev. 18:22)

26 For this reason wGod gave them up to xdishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Rom. 1:26-27)

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (I Cor. 6:9)\


now... how about you.... what's your religion (if meron man) says about homosexuality?

"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control." - 1 Timothy 2:11-15

Bawal pala maging boss ng lalake ang babae. Nasa impyerno na ata si Cory.

"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior." - Titus 2:9-10

Okay lang pala magkaroon ng slaves.

"“When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. ..." - Leviticus 15:19-30

Naku. Kapag may nakita kang babaeng bumibili ng sanitary napkin, mga unclean ang mga yan!

[barrister]

Bakit tayo napunta sa hetero marriage, slavery and menstruation?

Iniiwasan mo ang homosexuality verses para hindi mahalatang hindi mo kayang sagutin? 

[Ice Storm]

I think it is easier to switch over to a religion that accepts you for how God made you.

[barrister]

Why would you even need a religion?  Just be an atheist and get it over with.

My problem is about people who think they can prove that the bible is ok with gay sex acts.

Now if they just say they don't believe in the bible, then that's fine with me.