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Re: Iglesia ni Cristo - Issues, Politics, etc
« Reply #30 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 07:16 PM »
Correct! But without the bible, how will you know His will so that you can become a flock?

by faith....everything naman is by faith....Jesus can tell as He can look into your heart,
kung ang pakikipagdebate mo ay para lang magpa-impress, makalikap ng maraming member
at makuhanan mo ng marming ikapu.....Kita ng Diyos yan.....walang nalilihim sa kanya....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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« Reply #31 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 08:25 PM »
Sir,
the bible as we know it was compiled back in 600AD +- at the behest of a king, when he called for a meeting of religious leaders at the time, to discuss issues relating to Jesus, Christianity etc.,

if I remember my studies correctly, the council was created so that there would be a single/common/united narrative where Christianity was concerned,
and this is the reason why so many books/gospels were excluded, such as the gospel of Mary, Judas,
gnostics etc. etc.

our bible was compiled by 300 ++ people and a lot of the books were written long after Jesus' death
so I would agree with Sir Tony- should Jesus ever come back, He probably won't recognize the bible that we are using

Hindi ata kasama ang old testament?

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« Reply #32 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 08:26 PM »
kung ang pakikipagdebate mo ay para lang magpa-impress, makalikap ng maraming member
at makuhanan mo ng marming ikapu.....Kita ng Diyos yan.....walang nalilihim sa kanya....

Yun lang. Hehe!

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« Reply #33 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 08:58 PM »
Hindi ata kasama ang old testament?

Sir,
the Old Testament was compiled way before that, and features books written over a thousand year period, if I'm not  mistaken

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 09:21 PM »
Sa dami ng galamay para na silang HYDRA... hail hydra...

Sa tingin ko may problema dito yung bago nilang lider na uto uto...

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 09:27 PM »
Sir,
the Old Testament was compiled way before that, and features books written over a thousand year period, if I'm not  mistaken

Yes sir! Which Jesus even quoted.

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« Reply #36 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 10:06 PM »
Kung ang isang organized religion o church ay mayroong central office, ganito ang kadalasang mangyayari. :-(
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« Reply #37 on: Jan 25, 2016 at 10:13 PM »
by faith....everything naman is by faith....Jesus can tell as He can look into your heart,
kung ang pakikipagdebate mo ay para lang magpa-impress, makalikap ng maraming member
at makuhanan mo ng marming ikapu.....Kita ng Diyos yan.....walang nalilihim sa kanya....

Lahat ng tao my kanya kanyang faith..but sino at ano ang magsasabi na ang faith o pananampalataya mo patungkol sa Dios ay tama?

Kaya pinasulat ng Dios ang Bibliya to know exactly his will for us human.

Ang mahirap sa tao nakasulat na ayaw pang sumunod at ang dahilan ay meron syang sariling faith.

At meron din mga tao at lider ng mga relihiyon na ginagamit ang bibliya para magnegosyo kinakalakal nila ang salita ng Dios na nakasulat sa Bibliya at binabaluktot pa ito sa madalas na sitwasyon.

Tandaan po natin na may kalaban ang Dios at yan ay ang Demonyo

Gagawin nya lahat ng kasamaan para mailigaw ang tao. Gusto ng demonyo huwag natin maintindihan ang bibliya para hindi natin malaman ang katotohan patungkol sa Dios upang tayo ay magkagulo at magkawatak watak.

Pero hindi papayagan ng Dios mangyari ang balak ng Demonyo.Available na lahat ng paraan para malaman natin ang nilalaman ng bibliya in our modern time.

"Sapagka't ang anomang mga bagay na isinulat nang una ay nangasulat dahil sa ikatututo natin, upang sa pamamagitan ng pagtitiis at pagaliw ng mga kasulatan ay mangagkaroon tayo ng pagasa."
Roma 15:4 (Ang Dating Biblia)
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Re: Iglesia ni Cristo - Issues, Politics, etc
« Reply #38 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 07:52 AM »
^pag nagbalik ba si Jesus, tatanungin ka ba tungkol sa bible?
aalamin ba nya ang laman ng utak mo kung ilang bersikulo at capitulo ang kaya mong irecite?

sa palagay ko, hindi ang laman ng utak mo at ng bulsa mo ang mahalaga kay Jesus,
bagkus ang laman ng puso mo, at hindi mo yan maikukubli sa kanya...
mabobola mo ang demonyo pero hindi ang Dyos....
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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« Reply #39 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 08:29 AM »
^pag nagbalik ba si Jesus, tatanungin ka ba tungkol sa bible?
aalamin ba nya ang laman ng utak mo kung ilang bersikulo at capitulo ang kaya mong irecite?

sa palagay ko, hindi ang laman ng utak mo at ng bulsa mo ang mahalaga kay Jesus,
bagkus ang laman ng puso mo, at hindi mo yan maikukubli sa kanya...
mabobola mo ang demonyo pero hindi ang Dyos....

but it is necessary for son of God to read the Bible day and night. for without it the care of this world will devour him/her.

ang isang taong hindi nagbabasa ng Bibliya ay "questionable" o nakakaduda ang kanyang pananampalataya.

kung ikaw ay isang taong nagsasabing may pananampalataya kay Jesus ngunit sinasabi mong hindi mahalaga ang pagbabasa at pag-aaral ng Bibliya, may isang malaking katanungan sa iyong pananampalataya - yan ba ay tunay o isang pagpapanggap lamang.

 

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« Reply #40 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 08:43 AM »
With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads.  ;)
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« Reply #41 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 08:45 AM »
^pag nagbalik ba si Jesus, tatanungin ka ba tungkol sa bible?
aalamin ba nya ang laman ng utak mo kung ilang bersikulo at capitulo ang kaya mong irecite?

sa palagay ko, hindi ang laman ng utak mo at ng bulsa mo ang mahalaga kay Jesus,
bagkus ang laman ng puso mo, at hindi mo yan maikukubli sa kanya...
mabobola mo ang demonyo pero hindi ang Dyos....


Sino ba dito nagsasabi na yun ang tatanungin ng Diyos? Hehe!

Paano mo malalaman na ang laman ng puso mo ay sang-ayon sa gusto Niya?

Nun ikaw ba ay nanligaw sapat na ba na katwiran yun mahal mo ang nililigawan mo para sagutin ka niya? Hindi mo ba inaalam ang paborito niyang pagkain, lugar pasyalan, paboritong damit etc.?

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« Reply #42 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 09:34 AM »
With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads.  ;)
Agreed. I think this kind of discussion/debate should be in the other inc or religious thread.

What makes inc so powerful anyway? Why do they hold such a huge influence over almost everything? Sila ba maituturing natin na local version ng scientology?

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« Reply #43 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 09:36 AM »
With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads.  ;)

Agreed sir! My apologies. hehe! master Tony! Lipat tayo sa kabilang thread!

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« Reply #44 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 09:39 AM »

Sino ba dito nagsasabi na yun ang tatanungin ng Diyos? Hehe!

Paano mo malalaman na ang laman ng puso mo ay sang-ayon sa gusto Niya?

Nun ikaw ba ay nanligaw sapat na ba na katwiran yun mahal mo ang nililigawan mo para sagutin ka niya? Hindi mo ba inaalam ang paborito niyang pagkain, lugar pasyalan, paboritong damit etc.?

not for us mere mortals to judge, but nothing can be hidden from God...
how do we defend our freedom? by the truth when it is assaulted by Marcos lies....

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« Reply #45 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 09:41 AM »
With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads.  ;)

i beg to disagree, this has everything to do with the issue at hand...
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« Reply #46 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 09:50 AM »
Agreed. I think this kind of discussion/debate should be in the other inc or religious thread.

What makes inc so powerful anyway? Why do they hold such a huge influence over almost everything? Sila ba maituturing natin na local version ng scientology?

Maraming naluklok sa posisyon (PNP, NBI, etc) dahil sa endorsement ng INC... :):):)
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« Reply #47 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 09:53 AM »
Maraming naluklok sa posisyon (PNP, NBI, etc) dahil sa endorsement ng INC... :):):)
And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?

Hindi ko lang naimagine na ganun pala ka-pervasive sila sa high positions in government. Kaya pala ang lalaki ng balls nila. ;D

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« Reply #48 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 10:19 AM »
And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?

Hindi ko lang naimagine na ganun pala ka-pervasive sila sa high positions in government.

Mafia. They always make offers all others can't refuse, one way or the other.

And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?

Kaya pala ang lalaki ng balls nila. ;D

This is a sad, sad, realization. Hope this thread produces something constructive like to have an inside look on how the regular INC Members view these debacles and have their chance to be a saving grace for their faith, emphasis on the INC faith as Faith = faithful or ordinary lay people / Religion = leaders.
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« Reply #49 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 12:49 PM »
And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?

Hindi ko lang naimagine na ganun pala ka-pervasive sila sa high positions in government. Kaya pala ang lalaki ng balls nila. ;D

this is the scary part, what if magising na lang tayo isang umaga na hawak na nila ang gobyerno?
yung rally nila sa EDSA, maliwanag na power grab yon......buti na lang walang kumampi sa kanila doon...
public opinion was not at their side...
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« Reply #50 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 02:29 PM »
this is the scary part, what if magising na lang tayo isang umaga na hawak na nila ang gobyerno?
yung rally nila sa EDSA, maliwanag na power grab yon......buti na lang walang kumampi sa kanila doon...
public opinion was not at their side...

actually, malaki yung religious influences sa government not only INC

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« Reply #52 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 03:09 PM »
actually, malaki yung religious influences sa government not only INC

pero me nabalitaan ka na ba na sang obispo ng katoliko, ipina-pahuli sa nbi ang lider ng ibang religion?
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« Reply #54 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 04:01 PM »
tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...

mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...

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« Reply #55 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 04:05 PM »
sa kabilang thread bro ang usaping ganito tungkol sa relihiyon. ;)
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« Reply #56 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 05:52 PM »
With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads.  ;)

yes precisely this is about salvation of whom? sa mga taong niloloko ng mga lider na nag claim na sa Dios daw sila pero hindi according sa teaching ng ating Panginoong Hesus ang turo nila not biblical and most of all none sensical.

Dyan naman nagugat lahat ng kaguluhan pinaniwala nila ang miembro nila sila lang ang maliligtas! at marami pang maling doctrina na wala sa wisyo.

Its about time to submit this liders of religion to public scrutiny of their doctrine and teaching..I for one believe hindi lahat ng nagsasabi o nagclaim sa Dios sila ay totoo and this recent incident of Menorca case and others  proves it.

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« Reply #57 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 06:00 PM »
tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...

mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...

Based on the movie Felix Manalo, he said that Jesus is human, not a diety.

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« Reply #58 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 06:07 PM »
tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...

mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...

John 20:28-29
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

Jesus or Lord is confirming Thomas belief..

I would love to hear the side of our INC. bro. and sis.

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« Reply #59 on: Jan 26, 2016 at 06:09 PM »
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/64529-inc-lobbies-key-government-positions

Thanks for sharing this ---- and I quote,

Shifting loyalties

To be sure, the INC has built a formidable image that it can make or break the political career of those aspiring for public office. Its solid vote is a prized catch for anyone, and could possibly attract the undecided voters to go for the potential winners.

INC spokesman Edwil Zabala said bloc-voting is based on Biblical teachings. “One of the Bible teachings is unity. Unity in serving the Lord God. Unity in faith. Unity in rendering judgment. That's in the Bible. So when members of the Iglesia ni Cristo, for example, here in the Philippines, are asked to vote, we are being asked to render a judgment. So we have to put God, obedience to God first, before obedience to any man-made law. If God requires unity, if God requires that the body of Christ, the Church of Christ be one, we will uphold it no matter how others may react to it.”

Essentially, it seems to be a reverse of the adage, “The voice of the people is the voice of God.”