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Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« on: Oct 23, 2016 at 01:17 PM »
Just got this unit today. Was supposedly choosing between the Sony X8000D and Samsung KU6300 but just fell in love with the picture quality of this Quantum Dot display from Samsung.

From P80,000, nasa P52,000 na lang siya.

Anyone else have this? If you do, kindly share your picture settings for this unit.




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Re: Sony x8000d vs Samsung Ku6300
« Reply #1 on: Oct 23, 2016 at 01:26 PM »
Sony if u can still afford. Kung bitin sa budget samsung bec its likewise excellent. Either of the two is correct. But i prefer sony bec of build quality.

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Re: Sony x8000d vs Samsung Ku6300
« Reply #2 on: Oct 23, 2016 at 01:36 PM »
But picture quality and color (hdr performance) which is better? I actually already have the Sony x8000c which is still not HDR. This is the primary reason why I want to upgrade.

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Re: Sony x8000d vs Samsung Ku6300
« Reply #3 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 05:26 PM »
didn't choose any of the two. decided to get the Samsung 49KS7000 instead. converting this thread to a Samsung KS7000 thread since there's none for this model.

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Re: Sony x8000d vs Samsung Ku6300
« Reply #4 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 05:32 PM »
no offense, but I find Sony X8000D better than Sammy KS7000.  did you see it otherwise, sir?

congrats on your KS7000!

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #5 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 08:10 PM »
no offense, but I find Sony X8000D better than Sammy KS7000.  did you see it otherwise, sir?

congrats on your KS7000!

that's what i was supposed to buy but I found out that it's not yet UHD Premium certified. hindi abot ng 1000 nits ang brightness which would mean the HDR would be lacking. Same price sila so I decided to go with the KS7000. Review sites also has this model as a recommended Ultra HD Premium TV. Quantum Dot na rin 'to which the X8000D isn't. Pero it all boils down to picture quality and naimpress talaga ako sa KS7000.
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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #6 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 08:35 PM »
Sir leomarley, last week I was looking at KS7500 in 55". What's the difference between these two models? The KS model I think has the Quantum Dot Display. 

By the way, Nice display sir Leomarley! ;)

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #7 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 08:47 PM »
Sir leomarley, last week I was looking at KS7500 in 55". What's the difference between these two models? The KS model I think has the Quantum Dot Display. 

By the way, Nice display sir Leomarley! ;)

afaik, the KS7500 is the curved one while the KS7000 is the flat version. Other than that, i think it doesn't have any difference.

thanks hehe.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #8 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 09:18 PM »
that's what i was supposed to buy but I found out that it's not yet UHD Premium certified. hindi abot ng 1000 nits ang brightness which would mean the HDR would be lacking. Same price sila so I decided to go with the KS7000. Review sites also has this model as a recommended Ultra HD Premium TV. Quantum Dot na rin 'to which the X8000D isn't. Pero it all boils down to picture quality and naimpress talaga ako sa KS7000.

I agree with your purchase from an image quality standpoint. Aside from the brighter QD lighting, most Sony models use IPS panels which I'm not a fan of (lackluster static contrast).
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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #9 on: Oct 24, 2016 at 11:25 PM »
afaik, the KS7500 is the curved one while the KS7000 is the flat version. Other than that, i think it doesn't have any difference.

thanks hehe.
Oh! Didn't noticed that the other has a curved display! Haha. Thanks sir leo!

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #10 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 04:18 AM »
This is why I stay away from IPS TVs...

Average IPS Panel


Top-notch IPS Panel


Average VA Panel


Top-notch VA Panel


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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #11 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 07:28 AM »
Wow! I haven't noticed that with IPS.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #12 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 07:44 AM »
Wow! I haven't noticed that with IPS.

They intentionally omit such images on showroom demo material. Makikita mo yan sa IPS TVs sa showroom (mostly LG and Sony) wala masyadong extreme contrast images na pinepresent para hindi lumitaw yung flaw. Pero pag OLED yung TV na nakadisplay, high contrast ang demo material para lumitaw yung advantage niya.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #13 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 07:55 AM »
Example of VA vs IPS at the same level:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d

VA shows a significant advantage in static contrast and color gamut, while IPS' main advantage is a wide viewing angle.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #14 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 10:09 AM »
Does it mean that most 1000-nit hdr tvs use VA panels? Which may also be the reason why Sony doesn't use the Ultra HD Premium certification even on their high end UHD TVs even though Sony is a member of the UHD Alliance.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #15 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 01:21 PM »
Wow! I haven't noticed that with IPS.

Unless you have a pure black image to play with, most people will not notice these black levels.

Normal movies rarely have all black sequences except for the End Credits which most people skip.
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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #16 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 01:24 PM »
Saka pansin lang talaga pag side by side though mas OK sa akin pag VA since I don't need wide viewing angles.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #17 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 01:52 PM »
Does it mean that most 1000-nit hdr tvs use VA panels? Which may also be the reason why Sony doesn't use the Ultra HD Premium certification even on their high end UHD TVs even though Sony is a member of the UHD Alliance.

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too technical thingies, sir, right?  not sure as well why Sony did this:
 - 43X8000D == VA panel
 - 49X8000D == IPS panel
 - --X8500D == IPS panel

you mentioned Sony isn't certified by UHD Alliance?  they have an answer with this, saying, they will not carry the UHD Premium badge but only use the logo "4K UHD".  I'll try to find back that article.  I think it's on UHD Alliance site or Sony's.

this is all gimmickry.  anyway, you're also right.  as it always boils down with the consumer's judgement on PQ.  we don't have all the same image interpretations =))

basta importante happy tayo sa untis na nabili natin =))  otherwise, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade... LOLz!

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #18 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 01:58 PM »
Does it mean that most 1000-nit hdr tvs use VA panels? Which may also be the reason why Sony doesn't use the Ultra HD Premium certification even on their high end UHD TVs even though Sony is a member of the UHD Alliance.

No. IPS panels offer enough transmissivity to reach 1000 nits with the right light source. It's just that they can't block the light well enough to offer good blacks. Increasing the light source intensity emphasizes this even more (and local dimming will often cause cloudy splotches).

Sony's high end TVs use VA panels (X930D, X940D and Z-series) and offer good contrast. I don't think they can compete with LG's OLED or Samsung's VA TVs if they stick with IPS for their entire lineup.

I think Sony purposely omitted UHD Premium labeling, because it'd make most of their TVs look bad (only the X930D, X940D and Z-series lines meet the UHD Premium spec).

A TV can meet the UHD Premium spec even with just a 540 nit maximum intensity, as long as the blacks are deep enough. A lot of Sony and LG TVs exceed this intensity limit, but only the high end VA Sony models and OLED LG models offer blacks deep enough to meet the spec.

Unless you have a pure black image to play with, most people will not notice these black levels.

Normal movies rarely have all black sequences except for the End Credits which most people skip.

Unless you crush the intensity extremes, you'd still notice less contrast on lower contrast scenes. You get a "flatter-looking" image without such an enhancement. Most TVs with lower contrast panels tend to do this to hide the shortcoming (which becomes very evident during calibration).

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #19 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 02:01 PM »
Yup kung saan talaga pasok ang taste ng consumer. X8000d has good pq as well. Ganda pa din details even on darker scenes. Nagbase lang din ako finally sa reviews ng Ks7000 na best bang for the buck according sa review sites and sa discount na binigay.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #20 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 02:08 PM »
too technical thingies, sir, right?  not sure as well why Sony did this:
 - 43X8000D == VA panel
 - 49X8000D == IPS panel
 - --X8500D == IPS panel

You'd also notice that the 43X8000D will take an HDR input, but the 49X8000D will not. The 43X8000D uses a QD light source, while the 49X8000D does not.

They can't always select comparable specs at each size for every model line as they're dependent on supply availability and costing. They go with different panel suppliers and different panel types depending on what makes sense from a cost and/or a performance perspective.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #21 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 02:29 PM »
Parang lugi ata 49" ng x8000d. From what I understand, QD has better and more accurate whites compared to non-QD. Also read before na QD is also the reason why Sony and Samsung is not pushing for OLED screens since it's a cheaper alternative.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #22 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 02:38 PM »
thanks for your post, sir!  i'm in the right direction on the Sony 43incher.  my room is quite small about 18sqm with viewing distance around 7ft max.  baka masira mga mata ng anak ko kaya maliit lang muna.

and while i'm on test mode about things like 4K, X265, video streaming and Android TV (including Kodi and free games, in-one same TV unit), seems I've been liking them all.  I also bought a Dualshock 4 controller with it.

upgrade nlang ako kpag mainstream na OLED, hence, its price has stabled. =)

I also observed the 49incher is 16K higher with a mere 6.5" difference with the 43incher. and 49 is IPS.  so I still chose the smaller end =))

share us more on your KS7000 and congratz again, sir!

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #23 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 02:59 PM »
Parang lugi ata 49" ng x8000d. From what I understand, QD has better and more accurate whites compared to non-QD. Also read before na QD is also the reason why Sony and Samsung is not pushing for OLED screens since it's a cheaper alternative.

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QD lighting can help panels deliver a wider color gamut (the technology allows for a very high CRI light source). It also allows for brighter highlights (from increased light source intensity) and lower power consumption (due to higher typical efficiency).

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #24 on: Oct 25, 2016 at 03:13 PM »
thanks for your post, sir!  i'm in the right direction on the Sony 43incher.  my room is quite small about 18sqm with viewing distance around 7ft max.  baka masira mga mata ng anak ko kaya maliit lang muna.

and while i'm on test mode about things like 4K, X265, video streaming and Android TV (including Kodi and free games, in-one same TV unit), seems I've been liking them all.  I also bought a Dualshock 4 controller with it.

upgrade nlang ako kpag mainstream na OLED, hence, its price has stabled. =)

I also observed the 49incher is 16K higher with a mere 6.5" difference with the 43incher. and 49 is IPS.  so I still chose the smaller end =))

share us more on your KS7000 and congratz again, sir!
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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #25 on: Oct 26, 2016 at 10:02 PM »
I am also eyeing this KS7000 model but nung nakita ko yung series 9 parang yun na gusto ko. Will wait for further price drop hehe.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #26 on: Oct 27, 2016 at 03:18 AM »
I am also eyeing this KS7000 model but nung nakita ko yung series 9 parang yun na gusto ko. Will wait for further price drop hehe.

Maganda talaga yung Series 9, medyo pricey lang talaga. The KS9800 is the reference screen for Warner Brothers and 20th Century Fox, afaik.

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #27 on: Oct 27, 2016 at 07:54 AM »
QD lighting can help panels deliver a wider color gamut (the technology allows for a very high CRI light source). It also allows for brighter highlights (from increased light source intensity) and lower power consumption (due to higher typical efficiency).
Master, ang panel is still LCD pa din dba? Backlight lang ang QD or may additional QD panel sandwiched to control the backlight?

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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #28 on: Oct 27, 2016 at 11:58 AM »
Master, ang panel is still LCD pa din dba? Backlight lang ang QD or may additional QD panel sandwiched to control the backlight?

It is still an LCD panel, correct. There are two QD implementations used on TVs. One is using a QD layer on the panel sandwich (pioneered by Samsung and LG), and the other is using QD tubes in front of the LED arrays (pioneered by Sony). I believe Sony had switched over to the Samsung/LG style implementation for their newer TVs.


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Re: Samsung KS7000 Thread (49"/55"/65")
« Reply #29 on: Oct 27, 2016 at 12:02 PM »
Maganda talaga yung Series 9, medyo pricey lang talaga. The KS9800 is the reference screen for Warner Brothers and 20th Century Fox, afaik.
Ks7000 and KS8000 are basically the same. Difference lang is yung ultra dimming function ng KS8000.

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