Topic: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs

[JeromeA]

chill chill nalang ang lakers ngayon after the failed AD trade. alam nilang nextyear talaga yung hahabulin nila. kaya di rin naghahanpit si lebron.

[VenoM_Unleashed]

May katotohanan naman na mas madaling maka-score ng points ngayong NBA season. It is because of the rule changes. Masyadong nabigyan ng emphasis ang offense. As I mentioned before during the first few games pa lang ng season, almost all teams are scoring 100+ pts on a daily basis. Check the daily NBA scores na lang.

Here are articles I found about Doncic's comment and why NBA scores are higher compare to the previous seasons:

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/luka-doncic-nba-europe-scoring/483967
https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/2/10/18219262/mavericks-luka-doncic-nba-rookie-easier-to-score
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jan/04/nba-50-point-game-record-basketball
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/24/nba-scoring-across-league

 

I said wala pa ako nakita video na sinabi ni Luka na mas madali umiskor sa NBA, pero meron na ako nabasa na articles na sinabi nya yun. Pero ayon sa tweet nya parang hindi ganun ang sinabi nya, na twist na ng media 'yung sinabi nya.

Kung mas madali umiskor sa NBA ngayon, bakit kaya wala pa din nakakabura ng 100pts ni Wilt at 81pts ni Kobe?

Kung mabura ni Luka yung 81pts ni Kobe, sige maniniwala na ako na mas madali umiskor sa NBA 

[JeromeA]

I said wala pa ako nakita video na sinabi ni Luka na mas madali umiskor sa NBA, pero meron na ako nabasa na articles na sinabi nya yun. Pero ayon sa tweet nya parang hindi ganun ang sinabi nya, na twist na ng media 'yung sinabi nya.

Kung mas madali umiskor sa NBA ngayon, bakit kaya wala pa din nakakabura ng 100pts ni Wilt at 81pts ni Kobe?

Kung mabura ni Luka yung 81pts ni Kobe, sige maniniwala na ako na mas madali umiskor sa NBA 

pero mas madali nga naman umiskor ngayon compare before dahil sa physical ng laro. partida pa yan ang luwag na ng depensahan ngayon di parin nila naaabot yung 81pts.imagine mo kung yung prime kobe ang sa panahon ngayon.

[DVD_Freak]

Kaya naman hindi nahahabol na yun 81 ni Kobe because coaches sit their players already to avoid injuries.  If not Kaya naman today.  I remember Klay Thompson scored 60pts ba yun in 29 minutes hindi pa tapos 3td quarter then umupo na buong 4th.  Kung tutuusin kaya habulin 81 or even eclipse it if naglaro pa nga buong 4th.

Lalo na ngayon where the NBA implemented a rule where an offensive player has the right of way when executing his move and the defensive player cannot block or interfere with that path.  So the defensive player has to follow side by side and not block his path or a foul will be called.  As of the moment I can't remember the term the commentators used.

[newwaveboy]

^ Exactly. Load / playing time management is now standard among most teams ........... Klay and more a few others can likely breach 81 points, if not for load management.

Blame the SPURS, HEAT for starting and spreading this trend. Wins and health are far more important than breaking records, nowadays.

Medyo obvious naman, it's been easier to score in the NBA nowadays, compared to years ago ...........  madami nang developments, na lalong naging offensive-friendly ang game nowadays e.g. fast-pace offense, abolition of the hand-check rule, etc.

[VenoM_Unleashed]

Ganun ba yun? Bakit si Harden na mukhang makakakuha ng scoring title ngayong season kahit tambak na kalaban nakababad pa din eh hindi mabura yung 81pts?

[DVD_Freak]

Ganun ba yun? Bakit si Harden na mukhang makakakuha ng scoring title ngayong season kahit tambak na kalaban nakababad pa din eh hindi mabura yung 81pts?

Is Harden even targeting 81 points?  Look at his current streak... Last I read 31 straight games of at least 30 points.  The only person above him... The era of Wilt Chamberlain.

[Moks007]

The easier to score now is baloney to me. Yes maybe a little but not to the extreme. Try to dig up some averages of top 20 players from previous seasons before they implemented these majority rulings that help the offensive players nowadays and compare it to the recent players. The player averages are not very far off. If true, you should probably have 5 players in the league averaging over 30 points a game. Eh yun 30 avg a game mahirap na abutin. Usually they just avg 25 to 28 a game.

The massive uptick in scoring now is because of the 3 point shot. Imagine you have bigs like embiid shooting threes instead of posting up. Yun mga previous players, meron mga ego mga yan. They think their era is the best. They will say i can score this much if i was in todays game. Kalokohan yan. Si tmac, puro yabang lang yan. For me, You just really cannot compare different eras.

True professionals like bill russell, hakeem, and some others are just quiet. Yun ang meron mga respecto to the game.

[VenoM_Unleashed]

Is Harden even targeting 81 points?  Look at his current streak... Last I read 31 straight games of at least 30 points.  The only person above him... The era of Wilt Chamberlain.

I think so, baka mas mataas pa dun target nya, kaso yung 60, 61pts parang todo na eh. Lahat naman siguro ng scorers target mabura yung 81pts, ang tanong ganun ba kadali para mabura yun?

[Moks007]

Is Harden even targeting 81 points?  Look at his current streak... Last I read 31 straight games of at least 30 points.  The only person above him... The era of Wilt Chamberlain.

Its not about targeting the 81 points. It is just hard to do. Those are maybe once in a lifetime thing.

If it is so easy to score now dapat nga daming players getting 40 or 50 points. Even mga no names will score 40 all the time. Its about the averages. Its not like the coach take one out after a guy scores this much. That only applies to gsw because they just have so many weapons that the coach can afford to do that. You take klay out meron ka pa kd and curry. I know some are doing stat padding. Thats why im saying if it is really easy to score, example lang natin si lillard, or some other pure scorers should be averaging more than 30 points a game. I use 30 as a baseline because if you look at those previous scorers like jordan, kobe etc. Puro mga 30 to 32 points avg lang sila per season. Hirap na yan.

[newwaveboy]

Indeed it's not about targeting 81 points ........... no head-coach will ever draw out his pre-game plans by instructing his star player/s to target X number of record points ........... it depends on the circumstances, Kobe's 81 points came about when the LAKERS were trailing big at the 2nd half - he got hot, til the game was done.

Simply put, it's about how offenses today are so fast-paced that scoring comes easier than ever before. What Mike D' Antoni started then with the SUN has turned into what we're watching nowadays.

Scoring in NBA currently surpassing historic levels
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/24/nba-scoring-across-league

45 serious and silly NBA records that were broken this season (2017-2018)
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/4/12/17227054/nba-records-statistics-2017-18-season

** Most individual players with 50-point games
** Highest effective field goal percentage: 52.1 percent
** Lowest offensive rebounding rate: 22.3 percent

[DVD_Freak]

Its not about targeting the 81 points. It is just hard to do. Those are maybe once in a lifetime thing.

If it is so easy to score now dapat nga daming players getting 40 or 50 points. Even mga no names will score 40 all the time. Its about the averages. Its not like the coach take one out after a guy scores this much. That only applies to gsw because they just have so many weapons that the coach can afford to do that. You take klay out meron ka pa kd and curry. I know some are doing stat padding. Thats why im saying if it is really easy to score, example lang natin si lillard, or some other pure scorers should be averaging more than 30 points a game. I use 30 as a baseline because if you look at those previous scorers like jordan, kobe etc. Puro mga 30 to 32 points avg lang sila per season. Hirap na yan.

50pt games
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2018-2019 Season  (as of Feb) - 13 times
2017-2018 Season (full season) - 13 times

At least 40pt games
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2018-2019 Season  (as of Feb) - 92 times
2017-2018 Season (full season) -  50+times

[JeromeA]

ang even kobe's 4 straight game with 50points pataas na break na ba?

[JeromeA]

kung maraming crazy scoring records ngayon mas matitindi achievements noon with intense D pa.

[DVD_Freak]

I think so, baka mas mataas pa dun target nya, kaso yung 60, 61pts parang todo na eh. Lahat naman siguro ng scorers target mabura yung 81pts, ang tanong ganun ba kadali para mabura yun?

I would disagree.  There was one game na meron streak si Harden of at least 50 points.  He finished with I think 47.  Hindi na niya pinilit mag attempt para umabot 50 kasi won ball game na if I recall correctly.

[Moks007]

50pt games
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2018-2019 Season  (as of Feb) - 13 times
2017-2018 Season (full season) - 10 times

At least 40pt games
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2018-2019 Season  (as of Feb) - 92 times
2017-2018 Season (full season) -  50+times

What is the breakdown of your data? More than 10 of those are probably from harden. How many different players in that list? Again you should use players point per game avg. Not milestones. Most in the list probably have a lot of 3 pointers and fg attempts. I would understand if more than 20 or 40 players sa list na yan

For me, Its because nga of the 3 point shots.

2002 to 2003 season, 3 point attempts of top 20 players versus recent ongoing season. Just for data, lets just add avg. 3pa of top 20 players and divide by 20 players para mas madali.

Ongoing season avg 6.625 attemped 3s
2017 to 2018 avg. 5.27 attempted 3s.
2002 to 2003 avg. 3.345 attempted 3s.

During 2002 to 2003 season you have tmac and kobe avg 30 plus points a game sa season. Look at the top 20? Malayo ba sa mga recent player averages? If the game is so easy now for offensive players, dapat nga marami players averaging more than 30 points a game. Even 28 points per game dapat ang dami yan diba?

[DVD_Freak]

What is the breakdown of your data? More than 10 of those are probably from harden. How many different players in that list? Again you should use players point per game avg. Not milestones. Most in the list probably have a lot of 3 pointers and fg attempts. I would understand if more than 20 or 40 players sa list na yan

For me, Its because nga of the 3 point shots.

2002 to 2003 season, 3 point attempts of top 20 players versus recent ongoing season. Just for data, lets just add avg. 3pa of top 20 players and divide by 20 players para mas madali.

Ongoing season avg 6.625 attemped 3s
2017 to 2018 avg. 5.27 attempted 3s.
2002 to 2003 avg. 3.345 attempted 3s.

During 2002 to 2003 season you have tmac and kobe avg 30 plus points a game sa season. Look at the top 20? Malayo ba sa mga recent player averages? If the game is so easy now for offensive players, dapat nga marami players averaging more than 30 points a game. Even 28 points per game dapat ang dami yan diba?

Would it matter if how many players did it?  Let's say your assumption is true that more than 10 times of those is from Harden.  You take into account the frequency right?  The total number of incidents one scores 40 or 50 or more regardless of player.

And as of Feb, the incidents of scoring 40 or more have almost doubled and we are only about more than halfway through the season.

[bumblebee]

Pano maraming makakascore ng 30+ ppg e nagsama sama sa isang team magagaling na players

Maglaro rin kayo kahit papano so you'll understand where players are coming from.

[JeromeA]

Pano maraming makakascore ng 30+ ppg e nagsama sama sa isang team magagaling na players

Maglaro rin kayo kahit papano so you'll understand where players are coming from.

oo nga!

[Moks007]

Indeed it's not about targeting 81 points ........... no head-coach will ever draw out his pre-game plans by instructing his star player/s to target X number of record points ........... it depends on the circumstances, Kobe's 81 points came about when the LAKERS were trailing big at the 2nd half - he got hot, til the game was done.

Simply put, it's about how offenses today are so fast-paced that scoring comes easier than ever before. What Mike D' Antoni started then with the SUN has turned into what we're watching nowadays.

Scoring in NBA currently surpassing historic levels
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/24/nba-scoring-across-league

45 serious and silly NBA records that were broken this season (2017-2018)
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/4/12/17227054/nba-records-statistics-2017-18-season

** Most individual players with 50-point games
** Highest effective field goal percentage: 52.1 percent
** Lowest offensive rebounding rate: 22.3 percent

I agree its the offense. It is not like the nba made some rules and players start scoring 50 a game easily and avg 35 to 40 points a game. That is just silly to me. Yun ang point ko. If ever meron lang konting effect sa mga bagong rules. The real effect is it has become like a 3 point shootout already. If you look at the centers and forwards ngayon hindi like the generation of hakeem, ewing, mourning, shaq, sampson, moses, karl malone, barkley, mchale, wilkins etc. Talaga inside game. The game has turned to outside.

[Moks007]

Would it matter if how many players did it?  Let's say your assumption is true that more than 10 times of those is from Harden.  You take into account the frequency right?  The total number of incidents one scores 40 or 50 or more regardless of player.

And as of Feb, the incidents of scoring 40 or more have almost doubled and we are only about more than halfway through the season.

It is more nga because people take and make more 3s. Are you saying the nba rules have to do with this? Sabi ko nga. The frequency is more because some players take more shots and more 3s.

When klay scored 60 in 29 mins. How many threes did he make? He made record fourteen 3s man. Thats 14!!!

[Onkyo606]

sana mabasa ng NBA ang thread na ito para mapalitan na yung mga walang kwenta nilang mga commentators at makakuha sila ng mahuhusay na analyst.

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[newwaveboy]

I agree its the offense. It is not like the nba made some rules and players start scoring 50 a game easily and avg 35 to 40 points a game. That is just silly to me. Yun ang point ko. If ever meron lang konting effect sa mga bagong rules. The real effect is it has become like a 3 point shootout already. If you look at the centers and forwards ngayon hindi like the generation of hakeem, ewing, mourning, shaq, sampson, moses, karl malone, barkley, mchale, wilkins etc. Talaga inside game. The game has turned to outside.

But that's the thing bro ............ it shouldn't matter much if it were a 2-pointer or 3-pointer driving the scores up. Points are points.

Analytics show the effectivity of a fast-paced long-ball game ............. look no further than the KINGS this season - the previous head coach of the GRIZZLIES slowdown grinding offense, suddenly went D' Antoni's style & the KINGS are reaping the benefits.

Like I said, it's a combination of offenses being much faster, players being more talented as before, rules being relaxed, etc - it's no coincidence that when handcheck was totally removed by 2004, it was concurrent to the rise of the Mike D' Antoni's SUNS.

[DVD_Freak]

It is more nga because people take and make more 3s. Are you saying the nba rules have to do with this? Sabi ko nga. The frequency is more because some players take more shots and more 3s.

When klay scored 60 in 29 mins. How many threes did he make? He made record fourteen 3s man. Thats 14!!!

The 2 rules being implemented now and not last year were ...
1.  The 14 second shot clock after an offensive rebound.
2.  The right of way for offensive players where you cannot impede their path but go along his movement

The result is increased scoring than the previous season.  Take James Harden again.  His total scoring in the 2017-2018 season was 2,191 points.  For the 2018-2019 season, he has scored 1,976 after just 54 games.

Edit: I think I remember na the term the commentators coined that you cannot impede the path of an offensive player..... "FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT".

You cannot impede the freedom of movement of an offensive player.

[oweidah]

https://fastbreakdaily.com/2019/02/13/luke-walton-coaching-decision/


cbak ?

[Moks007]

The 2 rules being implemented now and not last year were ...
1.  The 14 second shot clock after an offensive rebound.
2.  The right of way for offensive players where you cannot impede their path but go along his movement

The result is increased scoring than the previous season.  Take James Harden again.  His total scoring in the 2017-2018 season was 2,191 points.  For the 2018-2019 season, he has scored 1,976 after just 54 games.

Edit: I think I remember na the term the commentators coined that you cannot impede the path of an offensive player..... "FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT".

You cannot impede the freedom of movement of an offensive player.

It looks like you are only sampling harden. How about the others? Again im asking you, are you saying because of the new rules this year, records and scoring are shooting thru the roof? Nba has made it easier for the offensive player? If yes nga, bakit si harden lang? The others should also be scoring like crazy and taking advantage of this. An offensive player scoring one or 2 40 point games is nothing. They should do it consistently to make me say the nba made things easier.

 Yes, there are records being broken, more people scoring 40 plus points, but its not purely the nba rules. Lillard, kemba, durant, curry, george just scorers on top of my head should have at least 1700 to 1800 points at this point of the season. The closest second is george with 1577 at 55 games. Other pure scorers should be averaging at least 30 plus points.

I agree some rules make a small difference, but the nba did not make this game purely easy. It is mainly the combo of player and offensive system (3s)
 Secondary na yun new rules. Imagine at 50 plus games, harden is still scoring like crazy. I dont have to play the game to say, hey that is an tough thing to do.. Lets give credit where credit is due.

Now whether it will work in playoffs, that is another question

[DVD_Freak]

It looks like you are only sampling harden. How about the others? Again im asking you, are you saying because of the new rules this year, records and scoring are shooting thru the roof? Nba has made it easier for the offensive player? If yes nga, bakit si harden lang? The others should also be scoring like crazy and taking advantage of this. An offensive player scoring one or 2 40 point games is nothing. They should do it consistently to make me say the nba made things easier.

 Yes, there are records being broken, more people scoring 40 plus points, but its not purely the nba rules. Lillard, kemba, durant, curry, george just scorers on top of my head should have at least 1700 to 1800 points at this point of the season. The closest second is george with 1577 at 55 games. Other pure scorers should be averaging at least 30 plus points.

I agree some rules make a small difference, but the nba did not make this game purely easy. It is mainly the combo of player and offensive system.
 Secondary na yun new rules. Imagine at 50 plus games, harden is still scoring like crazy. I dont have to play the game to say, hey that is an tough thing to do.. Lets give credit where credit is due.

Now whether it will work in playoffs, that is another question

I am just using Harden since your team is the Rockets.  From your list....

                               2018 Pts (GP)         2019 Pts (GP)
1.   Lillard     -     1,962 (73) points / 1,474 (56) points
2.   kemba    -     1,770 (80) points / 1,412 (56) points
3.   durant    -     1,792 (68) points / 1,573 (57) points
4    curry       -     1,346 (51) points / 1,316 (46) points
5.  george     -     1,734 (79) points / 1,577 (55) points

So generally yes your list of players'scoring pace are up even if you include Harden.  Although Lillard's scoring pace is just about the same, his FGA is slightly down but he's shooting a better percentage.

[Moks007]

I am just using Harden since your team is the Rockets.  From your list....

                               2018 Pts (GP)         2019 Pts (GP)
1.   Lillard     -     1,962 (73) points / 1,474 (56) points
2.   kemba    -     1,770 (80) points / 1,412 (56) points
3.   durant    -     1,792 (68) points / 1,573 (57) points
4    curry       -     1,346 (51) points / 1,316 (46) points
5.  george     -     1,734 (79) points / 1,577 (55) points

So generally yes your list of players'scoring pace are up even if you include Harden.  Although Lillard's scoring pace is just about the same, his FGA is slightly down but he's shooting a better percentage.

The biggest uptick is george, which is having an mvp season. But the others are almost the same sa ppg. Yes a little uptick, but imo it should be more if the game is easier because of the rules. They will reach a ceiling. As you play more games, the point averages go diwn. It's not like the scorers are scoring left and right and add 5 to 8 points to their average.

Check the data. They are making and attempting more 3s. Kaya nga tumataas.

[raptor]

players from different eras have extraordinary scorers as an exception, but the rule changes nowadays would really help those extraordinary players plus the team in general to score more ... I think it was already pointed out in one of the earlier posts that officiating nowadays favors the offense more than the defense, naturally if there's less defense there will be more scores ... but one of the biggest factor contributing to higher scores is the change in shot clock from 24 to 14 seconds when there is a foul or offensive rebound ... shortened shot clock increases the pace and number of possessions, hence higher team scoring

another thing not mentioned is the difference on playing conditions ... back in the days, player conditioning is not much of a concern - I remember local PBA players going on drinking sprees, smoking cigarettes, etc. ... Nowadays they have recovery treatments after games, team trainers, healthy living ... I also read an article from the San Antonio Spurs that each player are regularly provided concoction of drinks (tailored for each player) for faster recovery and hydration ... med facilities are readily available, so an injury is readily diagnosed after the games - I can imagine players from the earlier eras playing hurt because they do not have the modern science, and playing probably out of necessity as they were not paid that much ... also check the gears - I wonder if the present stars game will be the same playing with those canvass Converse sneakers that are much heavier and uncomfortable

[DVD_Freak]

The biggest uptick is george, which is having an mvp season. But the others are almost the same sa ppg. Yes a little uptick, but imo it should be more if the game is easier because of the rules. They will reach a ceiling. As you play more games, the point averages go diwn. It's not like the scorers are scoring left and right and add 5 to 8 points to their average.

Check the data. They are making and attempting more 3s. Kaya nga tumataas.

But data did prove an increase in scoring right?  And that's even on the average.  But if you take into account total points say Kemba Walker.... After 56 games, he is scoring 1,412 points (2019) compared to 1,239 points (2018) after also 56 games.

A difference of 173 total points. That's significant.  That is why I look at total points than average.  Pag average kasi around 3ppg lang ang difference.  Maliit nga.  But total points ma!aki difference at 173 points.