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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2970 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 08:37 AM »
^they should do it already and save the rest of the season.



Somebody mentioned here maybe because its the playoff.

Ok pag ganun lagay yan dapat sa rulebook, landing spot will not be called during the playoffs, esp against the warriors lol

Yup, that is how stupid it is.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2971 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 08:44 AM »
NBA Playoffs 2019: Basketball gods use referees to exact revenge on James Harden, Rockets in Game 1 loss

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-playoffs-2019-basketball-gods-use-referees-to-exact-revenge-on-james-harden-rockets-in-game-1-loss/

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2972 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 08:50 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/dkurtenbach/status/1122624539735683072

harden almost always kicks then falls down after a constested three. refs always fall for this. unfortunately this time they didn't. but he will probably get the call some other time.

Yun nga. Because green did not give him space harden had to do that. Tell me how will he land straight down? What if he twist his ankle? Id rather him do that and land on his ass, than tweek the ankle.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2973 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 09:30 AM »
tambak ang bucks sa celtics
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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2974 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 09:32 AM »
Yun nga. Because green did not give him space harden had to do that. Tell me how will he land straight down? What if he twist his ankle? Id rather him do that and land on his ass, than tweek the ankle.

look at where harden jumps and where he tries to fall in. if he didn't fish for a foul he should have landed straight down. it's part of his game and he is actually good at it.



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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2975 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 09:45 AM »
ito lang na-obserbahan ko din. MOST nung tres ni harden, siya yun pumupunta sa landing space ng nakabantay sa kanya (to fish a foul). yun kay kawhi-pachulia dati, diretso talon at landing ni kwahi, paa ni pachulia yun pumunta sa landing spot ni kawhi.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2976 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 09:49 AM »
^I think its normal to have a push on the legs or a kick as you say, you're taking taking 3's not midrange jump shots and for that reason you should  give the shooter a place/area..to land safely, even Curry does that ...fishing a foul or otherwise

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2977 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 09:51 AM »
Ayos! Panalo Celtics and GSW game 1. Let's see game 2 kung kuha na momentum.
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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2978 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glrXsfl78b8

These 3 should be called as fouls .............. commentators, Steve Javie.

Again, bad calls all around, for and against both sides. It's the age of the long-ball and the NBA/referees should adjust accordingly, since fouls and non-falls should be consistent.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2979 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 10:28 AM »
And he will probably get his 2nd mvp by flopping and fishing for fouls. These styles of today is what makes the nba hatd to watch. Dimo madapian foul, naka strecth lang kamay ng defender hahawiin kunwari titira foul, daming maling tawag at maraming dapat tinawag. I just miss 90's basketball.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2980 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 10:32 AM »
^I think its normal to have a push on the legs or a kick as you say, you're taking taking 3's not midrange jump shots and for that reason you should  give the shooter a place/area..to land safely, even Curry does that ...fishing a foul or otherwise

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si curry naman throws his body against the defender and instead of going straight up, they fish for a foul kaya sometimes ackward yung tira.

not sure how much space is allowed, but i think it's up to the refs. hindi rin naman kasi pwede payagan na the player can jump forward 3ft tapos yun yung landing spot niya.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2981 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 10:40 AM »
look at where harden jumps and where he tries to fall in. if he didn't fish for a foul he should have landed straight down. it's part of his game and he is actually good at it.




In Gametime discussions, Joe Borgia representing I think the referee committee supported the no call on James Harden on this specific play.  He said it was James Harden who initiated the contact.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2982 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 11:28 AM »
Eto yung sabi ni Borgia
https://www.facebook.com/8245623462/posts/10157476473913463/

Yung kay Klay foul daw talaga dapat, yung kay Green hindi.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2983 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 01:03 PM »
May tres din si CP3. Yung katawan nag bend para maka-fish ng foul. Walang na-fish. Nahuli na yata lahat ni Harden ;D

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1122615467334483968
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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2984 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 03:06 PM »
Nayare na naman Rockets sa Golden Refs  :D

Game 1 pa lang ng Clippers vs Dubs, nirereklamo na din sila ni Doc Rivers. Delikado mapilayan shooters ng Rockets. Ayaw tawagan ng refs eh. 


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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2985 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 05:22 PM »
Kung gusto manalo ng isang team vs GSW dapat tambakan nyo ng at least 10points para siguradong walang magagawa ang mga refs. If not, talagang matatalo kahit sinong team sa gsw.

I watched the games, and I see na talo talaga yung Clippers, walang binatbat. Yung Rockets talo talaga. Now let's watch the succeding games.

Let's stop blaming the refs. Tanggapin natin kung talo team natin. Kahit sa boxing nangyayari yan. Bottom line is kung ano final score yun na yun!
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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2986 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 05:50 PM »
Namihasa kasi tong si balbas sa kakabingwit ng foul. Suki nung reg season ngayong playoffs biglang tinabla.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2987 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 06:26 PM »
Mahirap pala talaga manalo sa GSW, kung hindi matatambakan ng kalaban. Kung single digit lang ang lamang wala na palang pagasa.

Pano kasi matatambakan, pag meron ng momentum kalaban ng gsw, to the rescue na refs para patayin yung momentum.

Sabi nga ni Steve Javie, there's no such thing daw as regular calls and playoff calls, so kung ano yung tinatawag ng refs nung regular season, dapat same pa din ang tawagan nila ngayon playoffs.

Let's see next game kung ganun pa din.


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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2988 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:10 PM »
Nayare na naman Rockets sa Golden Refs  :D

Game 1 pa lang ng Clippers vs Dubs, nirereklamo na din sila ni Doc Rivers. Delikado mapilayan shooters ng Rockets. Ayaw tawagan ng refs eh. 



Yup Golden refs. And the golden bees coming out of their golden hives if houston loses lol..

Well here is a great read from Sam Amick, the athletic


Sources: Rockets’ Game 1 ref rage rooted in extensive Warriors research



OAKLAND — This Houston Rockets rage was not about one game.

This wasn’t about Game One of the Western Conference Semifinals, where they fell 104-100 to the Golden State Warriors and left Oracle Arena utterly convinced yet again that the defending champions are getting the benefit of the whistle to a devastating degree.

This wasn’t about emotion — though there was plenty of that. Mike D’Antoni getting his technical in the third quarter, when he chewed on official Zach Zarba’s left ear like it was a rib-eye and nearly got tossed.

Chris Paul losing his cool in the late third quarter, and again near the end regulation when was ejected after the latest no-call left him incensed. James Harden, whose poor shooting night (9-of-28) had everything to do with all those times he believed he should’ve been sent to the line, wanting to rip his Beard out at all those points in between and saying afterward that he just wanted “a fair chance.”

Rockets general manager in Daryl Morey, whose reputation as a leader of the analytics movement is rooted in his ability to let the evidence guide one’s process, sharing his emotional reaction to it all via Twitter when he retweeted Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban after the game.

No, this was about the NBA’s most analytically-minded organization deciding long ago that all the data in this heavy-hitter matchup proves their point: The Warriors, as they see it, are getting the kind of officiating edge that simply must be stopped. And Game One – which was refereed by Zarba, Josh Tiven, and Courtney Kirkland – confirmed their fears that this playoff battle with the Warriors might be just as painful as the last when it comes to the officiating.

By the Rockets’ internal count from their video crew, there were eight attempted three-pointers that should have been fouls in Game One – good for 24 free throw attempts that would’ve certainly decided the game. There was insult added to injury on that front as well, with D’Antoni and Harden both saying that officials told them at halftime that they had missed foul calls on four Rockets three-point attempts.

But make no mistake, this is much bigger than one game.

According to sources with knowledge of the situation, the Rockets have been making a data-driven case with the NBA for quite some time that these Super Team Warriors are getting a major officiating advantage in these heavy-hitter matchups. And of all the specific examples that have been discussed with league officials, none has left them more suspect of the system than the 2018 Western Conference Finals. This series opener, more than anything, was salt being poured directly into that Rockets wound.

When that series ended nearly a year ago, the Rockets’ research had just begun. They secured the play-by-play officiating reports from each game from the NBA – a service that is afforded to individual teams (teams aren’t given reports for other teams, which makes it hard to compare). These reports document the league’s verdict on correct calls and missed calls in the same way as the Last Two Minute reports that are shared publicly, with the obvious difference being that it accounts for all 48 minutes of action.

And after the Rockets went through every line, tallying all the missed calls for each team and adding up the potential points that were lost along the way, it wasn’t pretty: The Rockets, according to the sources, had a double-digit point deficit in six of the seven games (and a small edge in Game 2). In all, sources say, they were harmed to the tune of 93 points. Game Seven was the worst, the research showed, with the league-issued report indicating that they should have had 18 more points. More specifically, two of the 27 consecutive missed three-pointers that did them in were ruled to have been missed foul calls.

What’s more, the same ‘landing space’ play that had the Rockets furious after Game One was a major point of frustration during that series – especially after their Game 7 loss, and with D’Antoni as upset as anyone over the matter. As detailed in this “NBA Video Rulebook” breakdown, defenders are required to allow shooters to “safely return to the floor.”

The vertical jumpshots are the easiest to officiate, but the rule also applies to plays in which the shooter’s momentum carries him to a spot that’s different form where the jump originated. This historical backdrop of this debate wasn’t lost on Rockets officials, either: In Sept. 2017, the NBA instituted a rule that allowed officials to call a flagrant or technical if the defender “recklessly positioned his foot in an unnatural way” under the shooter; the rule was inspired by then-Golden State center Zaza Pachulia’s placement of his foot under Kawhi Leonard during the 2017 Western Conference Finals, when the then-San Antonio star had his season ended by that ankle injury.

“Call the game how it’s supposed to be called and that’s it,” Harden said. “And I’ll live with the results. …We all know what happened a few years back with Kawhi. That can change the entire series. Just call the game the way it’s supposed to be called and we’ll live with the results. It’s plain and simple.”

To that end, the Rockets also believe that another one of their allegations was confirmed yet again in Game One: The notion that the league’s more experienced officials are far less willing to call this play in accordance with the rules, as compared to younger officials. Sources say the Rockets raised this research-inspired complaint with the NBA months ago, and it didn’t help matters in their eyes on that front that this game fell right in line with that theory (Zarba is in his 16th season, Tiven is in his ninth, and Kirkland is in his 19th).

When Morey sent that tweet which will likely lead to his latest fine, the “2006” mention sparked an obvious flashback: Cuban’s Mavericks lost to Miami in the 2006 Finals that remain among the most controversial in the league’s history when it comes to the officiating. But there was another key event that year as well, as Morey left the Boston Celtics to join the Rockets as an assistant general manager in April of 2006 en route to building this team wants so badly to end this Warriors run and win the franchise’s first title since 1995.

If they don’t get the calls they believe they deserve this time around, though, this debate will likely rage on into yet another disappointing finish.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2989 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:14 PM »
Didn't Houston win 3 straight against GSW during the regular season and only lost the last one by 2 points for a 3-1 advantage for the Rockets?

Suddenly Houston lost game 1 because of the refs?

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2990 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:20 PM »
Kung gusto manalo ng isang team vs GSW dapat tambakan nyo ng at least 10points para siguradong walang magagawa ang mga refs. If not, talagang matatalo kahit sinong team sa gsw.

I watched the games, and I see na talo talaga yung Clippers, walang binatbat. Yung Rockets talo talaga. Now let's watch the succeding games.

Let's stop blaming the refs. Tanggapin natin kung talo team natin. Kahit sa boxing nangyayari yan. Bottom line is kung ano final score yun na yun!

So that means when playing the warriors you always have to blow them out? That is such an impossibility. Sabagay, you have the ps4 gamers mentality, where you want an 8 time straight champion or whatever. Thats like setting your game in rookie mode and put you bars all at 100, beating teams left and right going 82-0. Life is not like that. Meron competition.

I dont whole heartedly blame the refs. But masyado na obvious. It didnt happen to your team kaya madali lang sabihin yan.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2991 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:21 PM »
Didn't Houston win 3 straight against GSW during the regular season and only lost the last one by 2 points for a 3-1 advantage for the Rockets?

Suddenly Houston lost game 1 because of the refs?

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2992 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:25 PM »
Dvdfreak, if you dont get it, this is the playoffs and every game count. You can be eliminated.

Btw, on one of the regular season game, hindi tinawagan si superman flyby out of bounds ni durant, eh buti nga harden made the three, thats why they won. Dapat nga meron pa foul yan, hindi tinawag na.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2993 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:32 PM »
Dvdfreak, if you dont get it, this is the playoffs and every game count. You can be eliminated.

Btw, on one of the regular season game, hindi tinawagan si superman flyby out of bounds ni durant, eh buti nga harden made the three, thats why they won. Dapat nga meron pa foul yan, hindi tinawag na.

Boston played the Warriors twice during the regular season.  I didn't see any biased officiating in those two games.  Are you saying during the regular season despite biased officiating, the Rockets won 3-1?

Also is the biased officiating isolated with the Rockets?  Since like I mentioned I didn't see it in both games against the Warriors.

So by winning 3-1 despite biased officiating Houston proved they can win.  Maybe Houston should play the same way versus GSW in this round.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2994 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:36 PM »
Boston played the Warriors twice during the regular season.  I didn't see any biased officiating in those two games.  Are you saying during the regular season despite biased officiating, the Rockets won 3-1?

Also is the biased officiating isolated with the Rockets?  Since like I mentioned I didn't see it in both games against the Warriors.

So by winning 3-1 despite biased officiating Houston proved they can win.  Maybe Houston should play the same way versus GSW in this round.

You keep talking about the regular season.

Whether the biased officiating is isolated with the rockets, i dont know.

Did you read the amick article i posted? What do you think? Ano opinion mo dian?
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« Reply #2995 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:43 PM »
Whether the biased officiating is isolated with the rockets, i dont know.

Did you read the amick article i posted? What do you think? Ano opinion mo dian?

So the article points to biased officiating.  Let's just assume there is.  With biased officiating, the Rockets played well enough to win 75% of their games versus the Warriors.  Meaning they didn't let the refs dictate the game and played well enough to offset the biased officiating.

In connection with what thebat was emphasizing, wiith game 1.... Didn't the Rockets then not play well enough to again not succumb to biased officiating which during the regular season they have proven they can?

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2996 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 07:59 PM »
So the article points to biased officiating.  Let's just assume there is.  With biased officiating, the Rockets played well enough to win 75% of their games versus the Warriors.  Meaning they didn't let the refs dictate the game and played well enough to offset the biased officiating.

In connection with what thebat was emphasizing, wiith game 1.... Didn't the Rockets then not play well enough to again not succumb to biased officiating which during the regular season they have proven they can?

You keep saying the regular season. Im talking about playoff series. Game 7 last year, 18 points nawala sa rockets diba?

I know the rockets have to play better. But you guys are not being realistic saying that all games should be perfect, blow them out para walang  ka duda duda. Im just calling for fair game sa refs.

Steve javie said it best. Call should be no different between regular season versus playoffs.


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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2997 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 08:03 PM »
Kung hindi pa ma gets mga tao dito na refs admitedly said to dantoni na they blew 4 3 pointers, where that is 12 points, eh mahina na sa math. Kung hindi mahina, they wear the goldenbee shades. Remove the shades, you will see better.

Anyway one game lang ito. Move on na.

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2998 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 08:09 PM »
Kung natawagan yung unang tres, hindi naman ibig sabihin, ganun pa rin mangyayari. Syempre, maalter yung future. Di ba kayo nanood ng endgame? Hehe

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Re: 2018-2019 NBA Season - Draft Day to Playoffs
« Reply #2999 on: Apr 29, 2019 at 08:11 PM »
Kung natawagan yung unang tres, hindi naman ibig sabihin, ganun pa rin mangyayari. Syempre, maalter yung future. Di ba kayo nanood ng endgame? Hehe

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