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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #60 on: Sep 01, 2004 at 06:27 PM »
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #61 on: Sep 01, 2004 at 06:32 PM »
Speaker Placement Suggestions

Common Sense and Livability
No matter what we say here regarding room treatment and speaker positioning, keep in mind that a home theater system is supposed to enhance your life, not take it over. If any of our advice conflicts with common sense, or your sense of aesthetics (or would interfere with the normal function of the room) just ignore us. What difference does it make if your system sounds 5% better when you're always bumping into an ill-placed speaker? Do what makes sense.


General Home Theater
If possible, place the five mid/high (non-subwoofer) speakers on the circumference of an imaginary circle whose center point is the main (your) listening position (figure below). At very least, left, right and center speakers should be the same distance from your main listening position. Find the placement that makes the main speakers sound best, then relocate the other components (seating position, center speaker/TV, and surround speakers) to fit the equal distance rule.



If you can make this work, fine. But if practical or aesthetic considerations get in the way, don't worry, the "time delay" or "speaker distance" function of your surround processor or receiver will compensate.

Stereo (main) Speakers
Since the left and right front channels are responsible for bringing music as well as movies to life, the "stereo pair" requires the most careful setup. For best performance, the speakers should be placed at least two feet from room boundaries, such as large pieces of furniture, walls and especially corners (see figure below). Placing a speaker closer to room boundaries increases bass, but may result in a "boomy" or bass-heavy sound and degradation of stereo imaging. Try varying the speakers' distance from the rear walls, side walls, and corners until the best balance between low frequency extension and clarity is achieved. If your system has a subwoofer, chose a main speaker placement that provides the best imaging and most natural midrange balance, usually far from room boundaries. If you cannot get the speakers at least two feet from the room boundary, treat the adjacent room boundaries with absorbing or diffusing material.

Place the main speakers at least a few inches in front of the front of your TV. Unless a large projection screen monopolizes your wall, don't place the speakers too close to the sides of your television, as such placement constricts the width of the stereo soundstage.
Palm-sized satellite/subwoofer speakers are designed to provide good sound when placed on a wall and often come with wall mounting brackets. But, as with other types of speakers, you should avoid placing the satellites within two feet of side walls. Since wall mounting satellites precludes placing them in front of the TV screen, place wall mounted satellites higher than the top of the TV.


Further placement "tweaking" - To minimize the effects of standing waves, use as a guideline the "Rule of Odds." Measure the width of the "front" wall (the wall the front speakers are on) and the length of your room and divide any odd number (3,5,7,9 etc.).
For example, let's say your room is 144 inches wide by 192 inches long. Divide the room width by three and get 48". Now divide the room length by 3 and get 64". These calculations suggest placing the speakers 64 inches or 5'4", from the "front" wall, 48" from the side walls and 48" apart. For most people 5.4" is too far into the room and 48" is too close together to support a wide stereo image. Keep dividing your room dimensions by ever larger odd numbers until you come up with a placement that makes sense for you.
To continue our example, divide the length by 5 and you get 38.4", a more workable distance. Divide the width by 5 and get 28.8". So in this example a practical speaker placement that will yield good a result is 28.8" from each side wall and 38.4" from the "front" wall.
Always use the center of the woofer as your reference point. If you calculate that your speaker should be 3 feet from the side wall, measure 3 feet from the wall to the center of the woofer cone.
Avoid symmetrical placement. A speakers' distance from the front wall should not be within 33% of he distance from the side walls. If the speakers are 24" from the side walls, place them at least 32" from the front wall. In our example, we did not divide room length by 7 as that would have placed the speakers 27.5" from the front wall, too close to the 28.8" side-wall distance.

Speaker Height - With floor-standing speakers, assume that the designers have mounted all drivers at the proper distance above the ground. Bookshelf and satellite systems, on the other hand, must be elevated to bring the tweeter to "seated ear level"; that is, the tweeters should occupy the same height as the listeners' ears when those listeners are sitting. This can be accomplished either by placing the speakers on dedicated stands, or mounting them on a shelf or wall bracket. If the shelf is well above seated ear level, use a door stop wedge under the back edge of the speaker cabinet to point the speaker slightly downward (be careful not to make the angle so severe as to make the speaker unstable). On-wall speakers often have brackets (supplied or optional) that allow aiming of the speakers.

Aiming - Once the speakers have been properly positioned, they should be adjusted to provide the sharpest possible image. This is accomplished by a process known as "toe-in." Your goal is to obtain the sharpest possible image by aiming the speakers at the listener, as if you were focusing binoculars on a distant object. Start with the speakers pointing straight ahead, while listening to a CD of a solo vocalist. Rotate each speaker a couple of degrees inward, toward the listening position, until the voice seems to come from a point directly between the speakers, rather than from the speakers themselves. But beware: too much toe-in will compromise the natural width of the soundstage. Try to find the best balance between image focus and soundstage width.


Listening Position - Your listening position will also influence the sound of your system. The best spot is at two-thirds of the length of the room. If that isn't practical, continue to divide by odd numbers as you did to determine speaker placement. In many rooms, the main listening position is on a couch up against the back wall. This position will yield very loud, and possibly boomy bass. In this case, be sure to place your main speakers and subwoofer as far away from wall surfaces as is practical.

Center Channel - Since the main purpose of a center channel loudspeaker is to fix all sounds associated with on-screen action to the screen, this speaker needs to be as close as possible to your television, either directly above or below it. Just like the stereo pair, the center channel sounds best when its tweeter is mounted at seated ear level; unfortunately, this position is normally occupied by the television itself. No problem: you can achieve proper treble balance by tilting the speaker up (if it's below the screen) or down (if it's above) to aim the tweeter directly at the audience. Using rubber feet of different thickness, raise or lower the front of the speaker until you hear the most extended and detailed high frequencies.

Surround Speakers - Unlike the front three speakers, that must produce sharply focused images, the job of surround channels is to envelop the audience in diffused sound known as "ambience." To excel at this job, rear speakers should not (with the exception of localized 5.1 channel effects) call attention to themselves as sources of sound.
For these reasons, surround speakers work best when elevated at least two feet above the seated listeners' heads (a height of six to seven feet above the ground is considered normal), and mounted on the side walls in line with or slightly behind the audience. If you are using front-firing speakers, they should face each other so that the sound is projected over the listeners' heads.


If your seating area adjoins the rear wall, or if you cannot place speakers on the side wall, you'll have to position the speakers on the rear wall. In this case, bi-directional (bi- or di-pole) speakers are recommended, since they will produce the most diffuse effect. If you use front-firing speakers, do not aim them at the audience as one would a front speaker, but point them straight forward so the sound projects past the audience. Another option is to mount in-wall speakers in the ceiling, aiming them downward at the listening area.
 

Subwoofer - Low frequencies (below about 80 Hz) are non-directional, which means that, in theory, a subwoofer should sound the same whether it is located at the front, rear or sides of the audience. In reality, however, bass quantity and quality are influenced by subwoofer placement. As with the stereo pair, moving the speaker closer to room boundaries increases bass, while moving it into the room reduces output. For the greatest amount of bass output, place the sub in or near a corner of the room.
If you have a standing wave problem and the bass is very uneven throughout the room (especially at your listening position), try this old trick. Place the subwoofer at your main listening position (move the chair). Play a movie or CD with deep, sustained bass. Walk around the front half of the room until you find the spot with the best bass. Place the subwoofer there. Now you can have your chair back.
To some extent, you can compensate for room acoustics by adjusting the subwoofer's level control, but it's still advisable to experiment with various placements. Play CDs and movie soundtracks with extensive bass content, and fine tune the volume until you achieve a seamless blend with the main channels. If your sub is equipped with an adjustable crossover and your stereo speakers have sufficient low bass capability, try lowering the frequency to the 70-80 Hz region. Use the lowest frequency setting that combines powerful bass with the best stereo image and a smooth transition to the main speakers. Finally, use the phase control to maximize bass output: if your subwoofer is placed along the same wall as your front channels, set the phase to 0 degrees, if it is behind the listening position, try 180 degrees. It helps to hear phase differences if you sit in your listening position while a friend switches back and forth. As always, experiment until you find the setting that delivers the clearest and deepest response.

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #62 on: Jan 31, 2005 at 03:04 PM »
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #63 on: Mar 21, 2005 at 03:55 PM »

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #64 on: Mar 21, 2005 at 04:04 PM »
Subwoofer Placement Suggestions
      
The Goal
"It's relatively easy to put a subwoofer into your system and hear more bass. What's difficult is making the subwoofer's bass integrate with the sound of your main speakers…A well-integrated subwoofer produces a seamless sound, no boomy thump, and natural reproduction of music. A poorly integrated subwoofer will sound thick, heavy boomy, and unnatural, calling attention to the fact that you have smaller speakers reproducing the frequency spectrum from the midrange up, and the big subwoofer putting out low bass."

Positioning
Room acoustics have an enormous impact on the sound of speakers, including subwoofers. A phenomenon called "standing waves" makes bass response uneven from place to place in your room. To experience this for yourself, put on a CD with a strong, consistent bass line. Notice how the volume of the bass goes up and down as you move around the room. Stand in one place and then squat down-you will probably notice that the bass changes in the vertical plane as well!

Because the subwoofer's location affects how standing waves are created, the first step to getting accurate bass response is finding the right spots for your subwoofer and your listening position. We'll share a few guidelines that may be helpful, but in the long run nothing beats trial, error and your own two ears.

Stick It In The Corner-
This is the advice most often given and it certainly will yield loud bass. But corner mounting may make the woofer sound "one note-ey," and boomy on music. If lack of bass volume is your biggest subwoofer problem, this may be the answer for you.

Avoid Sitting Up Against the Wall-
Bass waves build up and "hang out" at room boundaries (walls). Your system will sound thick and heavy when your listening chair is up against a wall. If you must sit against the wall because of furniture layout, place your subwoofer away from walls and corners.

Avoid Symmetrical Placement-
"Avoid putting the subwoofer the same distance from two walls. For example, if you have a 20' wide room, don't put the subwoofer 10' from each wall. Similarly, don't put the subwoofer near a corner and equidistant from the side and rear walls. Instead, stagger the distances to each wall."

Put The Subwoofer As Close To The Main Speakers As Possible-
Even though bass sounds are non-localizable, cabinet resonance and other factors conspire to make this less true in practice than in theory. It'll be much easier to get seamless blending between sub and main speakers if they are on the same side of the room. If possible, put the subwoofer behind the plane of the main speakers. At very least, keep the subwoofer in the front half of the room.

Here's An Old Trick-
Put your woofer in the same spot as your listening position. It's best to raise the subwoofer off the ground to seated ear height (use a sturdy, non-resonant platform). "Play a piece of music with an ascending and descending bass line such as a 'walking' bass in straight-ahead jazz [see recording suggestions]. Crawl around the floor on your hands and knees…until you find the spot where the bass sounds smoothest, and where each bass note has about the same volume and clarity. Avoid positions where some notes 'hang' longer and/or sound slower or thicker than others. When you've determined where the bass sounds best, put the subwoofer there."

Use Two Subwoofers-
Using two asymmetrically placed subs will minimize the effects of standing waves in your room, yielding smoother bass response (as well as better dynamic range). But don't run out and buy another sub just yet. Get the sub you have now to sound its best before spending more money. You may be perfectly happy with just one sub once you've tried our suggestions.
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #65 on: Apr 20, 2005 at 05:00 PM »
sir gud day.

can you give any suggestions on what test cds to use to check how low can your sub go... and what instrument you can use to see how low it goes?

thanks sir.. 

btw, you got some neat postings here huh, really helped us, newbies alot!  thanks sir VIRCOR!

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #66 on: Apr 23, 2005 at 07:59 AM »
Subwoofer Software Suggestions

1.) Stereophile Test CD #1 and listen for warble tones. 

2.) Avia Guide To Home Theater calibration DVD Audio and Video test tones and set up aids. 

3.) Patricia Barber Café Blue CD Blue Note cuts 1,8,9. Listen for tight musical bass with no "boominess," good "plucky" acoustic bass. 

4.) Mighty Sam McClain  "Give It Up To Love" CD Use the Audioquest XRCD version for best sound quality, cut 1. Good deep male vocal and bottom end, excels in the low mid-range. 

5.) Diana Krall  "All For You" CD cuts  1 & 7. Natural acoustic piano and vocals, well-recorded and up-tempo. 

Below are quoted from sir av_phile1:

(1)  The exploding depth charges in the movie U-571 comes to mind.  They're quite deep.   Have heard them as well and quite convincing in my set-up.  Also the canon shots in  Master and Commander.

(2)  The Eagle's Hell Freezes Over live concert in DTS have some deep and powerfull bass lines.

(3)   The stampeding herd of buffalos(?) in  Lion King has some pretty earth shaking bass.

(4)   The pod races in Star Wars 1: The Phantom Menace are said to contain frequencies down to 10Hz!!!

(5)   Any DTS sampler I suppose.

(6)   A test CD with a sweep of LF from 100hz down to 10Hz.   Alternatively, the THX section in some THX-certified DVDs have a low freq sweep in the audio test section  to test the integration between mains and sub. 

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #67 on: Apr 25, 2005 at 10:35 AM »
thanks alot sir!

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #68 on: Jul 20, 2005 at 04:41 PM »
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #69 on: Sep 03, 2007 at 07:03 PM »
From the Avsforum: Everything you need to know about setting up your own home theater including diy acoustic treatment, equipment, interconnects, subwoofer management etc etc...

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #70 on: Sep 05, 2007 at 12:42 PM »
checked the site....very informative and comprehensive...!! thnx sir ET414...
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #71 on: Sep 05, 2007 at 01:58 PM »
checked the site....very informative and comprehensive...!! thnx sir ET414...

you canfind a lot like this online, but you have to spend considerable amount of your time..  ::)
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #72 on: Sep 05, 2007 at 05:31 PM »
you canfind a lot like this online, but you have to spend considerable amount of your time..  ::)

oo nga sir...... i totally agree with you.... but just like u said, u need a considerable amount of time which some people (like myself)  don't have, hehehehehe.... kaya nga am very thankful to our fellow members who take time in posting sites like this.... mabuhay ang mga taga PDVD!!!
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #73 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 05:49 PM »

"A device that absorbs low frequencies is called a bass trap. Although it may seem counter-intuitive, adding bass traps to a room usually increases the amount of bass produced by loudspeakers and musical instruments. When the cancellations caused by reflections are reduced, the most noticeable effect is increasing the bass level and making the low frequency response more uniform. As with listening rooms, bass traps are also useful in studio recording rooms for the same reasons - to flatten the response of instruments captured by microphones and, with large studios, to improve the acoustics by reducing the low frequency reverb decay time which makes the music sound more clear."

Link: http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

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Home theater guide (April 26, 2009)
« Reply #74 on: Apr 27, 2009 at 03:00 AM »
A compilation, by me, which can hopefully help many people regarding speakers, subwoofers and receivers.

Home theater guide roundup (April 26, 2009)

Date is April 26 because audience of the site is mostly from the US. :)

Would greatly appreciate feedback from those who have read the guide.
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Re: Home theater guide (April 26, 2009)
« Reply #75 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 01:21 PM »
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Re: Home theater guide (April 26, 2009)
« Reply #76 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 01:56 PM »
nice stuff sir blued888, very helpful indeed!  :)

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #77 on: Jun 15, 2009 at 08:24 PM »
one of the best threads here at pdvd. up for you. :)
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #78 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 05:50 PM »
Hi, I'm planning to setup my first HT and only planning to buy the receiver and front speakers first. I'm not really in a hurry to complete all and of course, not enough budget. Do you think I should buy the center speaker right away also? Thanks

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #79 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 06:40 PM »
Hi, I'm planning to setup my first HT and only planning to buy the receiver and front speakers first. I'm not really in a hurry to complete all and of course, not enough budget. Do you think I should buy the center speaker right away also? Thanks

imho sir rni, you should buy the timbre matching center when you decide to buy your two fronts already, whether the fronts are bookshelves or floorstanders. the center handles all the dialogue of the movie, and having your fronts handle that together with the effects might not be ideal. you can defer getting the surrounds but try to get the 3 fronts right away.  :)

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #80 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 07:03 PM »
Hi, I'm planning to setup my first HT and only planning to buy the receiver and front speakers first. I'm not really in a hurry to complete all and of course, not enough budget. Do you think I should buy the center speaker right away also? Thanks

IMO, you can opt to get the center at a later date since you'll be able to run a "phantom center" with your two fronts.

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #81 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 10:46 PM »
Thanks for all the replies sirs. I've decided that I'll get a center when I tried this evening listening to two fronts only. Way better to have a center indeed.

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #82 on: Jul 07, 2009 at 09:44 AM »
Just curious, how do you set the volume of your fronts and center? Equal volume? Center is louder?

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #83 on: Jul 07, 2009 at 10:42 AM »
Just curious, how do you set the volume of your fronts and center? Equal volume? Center is louder?

for new receivers like denon and onkyo, they have the audyssey room correction tool that does the calibration of the speakers from eq, to distances and volume levels. and i must say it is a very accurate and useful tool. but looking at the setting the audyssey did to my room, it did increase the level for my center with respect to my two floorstanding fronts. but i guess it really should be done with respect to correct calibration whether the automatic method or manual method using the old trusty ruler and spl meter.  ;D

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #84 on: Jul 07, 2009 at 02:15 PM »
Thanks! Got the Onkyo 607 and I still have to read the manual so I'm still not familiar with this Audyssey tool.

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #86 on: Jul 24, 2009 at 11:53 AM »
great read, thanks for posting this bro. :)
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #87 on: Oct 10, 2009 at 07:03 AM »
Really nice thread!!!

I own a decent sounding (for me) HTIB when I bought my Plasma TV but I got hooked into planning to build my own HT set-up when I got the chance to listen to an acquaintance's self built HT.

The way I see it ( correct me if I'm wrong), the first thing that I need to buy will be the A/V receiver, fronts and center speaker. I already have a DVD player and TV to go with it. 

Budget is my primary concern because of other expenses. Can you recommend a way I can have all three components with a budget of 30K? Is it too much or too little? What should be the minimum?

Thanks in advance. I'm very new to this so please bear with me.
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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #88 on: Oct 12, 2009 at 04:58 PM »
Very informative topic! Will try the Sakura-Daichi set up muna, tight budget e...heard that the Euro 8 floorstanders by Daichi creates an impression and swak sa mga budget concious HT hobbyist, where kaya in particular sa Raon meron nito? gusto kong magcanvas bukas  ::)

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Re: Home Theater 101: A Guide To Setting Up
« Reply #89 on: Nov 08, 2009 at 08:28 AM »
bossing tanong ko lang po bat para mas mataas ang watts output ng mga HTIB like nung onkyo hts6200 na 130w/channel tapos yung seperate na reciever like onkyo 607 90w/channel?

naguguluhan kasi me kung bili nalang me ng HTIB na onkyo hts6200 tapos paltan ko nalang yung front speakers nya ng wharfedale diamond 9.6 eto specs nya http://wharfedale.co.uk/Products/Product/tabid/78/PID/10/CID/52/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail

or buo me ng HT onkyo 607 + wharfedale diamond series set
front
http://wharfedale.co.uk/Products/Product/tabid/78/PID/10/CID/52/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail
center
http://wharfedale.co.uk/Products/Product/tabid/78/PID/10/CID/58/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail
rear/sorround
http://wharfedale.co.uk/Products/Product/tabid/78/PID/10/CID/57/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail
sub
http://wharfedale.co.uk/Products/Product/tabid/78/PID/10/CID/53/language/en-GB/Default.aspx#detail

comment nalang po kayo master TIA