Topic: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series

[mcjefferson]

Hi to all wharf owner, i'm glad i found this thread as i plan to have a wharf 9.2
need help from you guys, ok po ba gamitin ang 9.2 sa amp na to? will use it as my main.

[barrister]

Bakit kaya sobrang mura ng Wharfedale speakers dito sa atin?   Is there any chance that some of these are counterfeits or 'White van speakers'? I doubt that they are fake dahil napaka ganda ng build and sounds, sobrang curious lang ako sa mark down ng prices pagdating dito sa tin.

Definitely genuine, brand-new items.  Mura ang price, kasi iyon ang pricing strategy ng Philippine distributor.  Marketing strategy ng mga old-school Chinoy traders yan.

Around 20 years na ang ganyang pricing sa Philippines ng mga Wharfe.  Hindi marked-down yan.  Tumaas pa nga nang konti ang presyo e.

 

[Stagea]

Hi to all wharf owner, i'm glad i found this thread as i plan to have a wharf 9.2
need help from you guys, ok po ba gamitin ang 9.2 sa amp na to? will use it as my main.

That should be enough to drive the 9.2 to satisfactory levels for the majority of applications (though the ratings seem to be a single channel and single frequency reading). If you have space for the 9.3, I suggest you step up to the 9.3. I find them more neutral overall, for just a little bit more.

[armymanhaha]

@barrister and stagea

thanks sa mga replies. na-liwanagan ako. nagtataka kasi yung tropa kong into headphones eh alam naman natin sa headphones maraming counterfeit kaya na raise nya yung question na yun.

BTW, wala pa ko nakikitang seller ng high-end products ng wharfedale dito satin. may possibility kaya na mura din sila dito satin?

[mcjefferson]

That should be enough to drive the 9.2 to satisfactory levels for the majority of applications (though the ratings seem to be a single channel and single frequency reading). If you have space for the 9.3, I suggest you step up to the 9.3. I find them more neutral overall, for just a little bit more.

thanks sir for your thoughts, kaya pa po kaya i drive ni amp ang 9.3? pwede pa din ba sa high volume?

[Stagea]

BTW, wala pa ko nakikitang seller ng high-end products ng wharfedale dito satin. may possibility kaya na mura din sila dito satin?

I don't think the distro stocks higher end models. You can contact them, in case they can order it for you.

 

thanks sir for your thoughts, kaya pa po kaya i drive ni amp ang 9.3? pwede pa din ba sa high volume?

The 9.3 is almost as easy to drive as the 9.2, and actually needs less voltage to get to the same loudness level. Even entry-level AVRs can power them satisfactorily (though they do sound better with high-current components).

[barrister]

BTW, wala pa ko nakikitang seller ng high-end products ng wharfedale dito satin. may possibility kaya na mura din sila dito satin?

Ang alam ko, pag retailer ng Wharfedale Diamond, retailer din siya ng higher-end Wharfedale.  Order-basis kasi ang mga high-end, kaya hindi naitn nakikita na naka-display sa store nila.

Expected naman na wala silang stocks on hand, kasi mahina ang benta pag high-end model.

May discussions din tayo ng Vardus and Evo dito:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=86563.0
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=59026.0

Mura din yan, compared with US and Euro SRP.

[mcjefferson]

The 9.3 is almost as easy to drive as the 9.2, and actually needs less voltage to get to the same loudness level. Even entry-level AVRs can power them satisfactorily (though they do sound better with high-current components).

Thanks sir i will purchased this one soon instead of 9.2.

[Questor]

i have been using a pair of 9.1s and they're singing nicely with either of my tubed 30watt dared i30 or 50watt nad 320bee. the 9.2 should be an easy drive for your amp though the real test is by listening.

[mcjefferson]

That should be enough to drive the 9.2 to satisfactory levels for the majority of applications (though the ratings seem to be a single channel and single frequency reading). If you have space for the 9.3, I suggest you step up to the 9.3. I find them more neutral overall, for just a little bit more.

Sir want to ask something again, ano po ba difference ng single channel / single frequency reading compare sa mga other amp?

[Stagea]

Sir want to ask something again, ano po ba difference ng single channel / single frequency reading compare sa mga other amp?

The numbers would typically be numerically higher than a full-bandwidth and/or all-channels driven reading.

[c.a.]

single frequency reading means that the amplifier is rated at only one given frequency and not the whole bandwidth. in short it is not true rated because it is only rated at a given frequency... for me true rated amps are rated at 20hz-20khz @ 8ohms.. some manufacturers use single frequency reading to make their amps look more powerful than it really is, sort of a marketing strategy...

not an expert advice but hope this helps..

[mcjefferson]

single frequency reading means that the amplifier is rated at only one given frequency and not the whole bandwidth. in short it is not true rated because it is only rated at a given frequency... for me true rated amps are rated at 20hz-20khz @ 8ohms.. some manufacturers use single frequency reading to make their amps look more powerful than it really is, sort of a marketing strategy...

not an expert advice but hope this helps..

The numbers would typically be numerically higher than a full-bandwidth and/or all-channels driven reading.

Thanks to all the infos mga sir. I made my decision and stick to 9.3 and 9cs as for now(wla pa budget sa surround,i will use my current surround for the moment). lubos lubosin ko na mga sir, saang store po ba available and sell at cheaper price ang diamond 9? I will use this pala mostly in listening music and 30-40% watching movies/playing games. would this set-up will be fine?

[Stagea]

Thanks to all the infos mga sir. I made my decision and stick to 9.3 and 9cs as for now(wla pa budget sa surround,i will use my current surround for the moment). lubos lubosin ko na mga sir, saang store po ba available and sell at cheaper price ang diamond 9? I will use this pala mostly in listening music and 30-40% watching movies/playing games. would this set-up will be fine? my receiver is onkyo htib(hts5300).

This would work. You may want to listen to other speakers as well, particularly those that are very easy to drive (like the Polk M series).

[barricades]

Which is better in playing all kinds of music 9.2 or 9.3?

[FrancisS]

i have not heard the 9.2, but the 9.3s are doing good naman for music. I'm using them as fronts, my amp is an onkyo 609.

[Stagea]

Which is better in playing all kinds of music 9.2 or 9.3?

Try them both, but I prefer the 9.3. It doesn't have the artificial bump on the lows that the 9.1 and the 9.2 have to make up for the lack of absolute extension. This makes them sound more open and neutral, or less congested, nasal and boomy. Look for gear that will partner well with them.

[squatt3r]

one of my 9.1s conked out. im getting a very low output compared to the other working speaker. mga sirs crossover ba yung problem or yung driver?

[Stagea]

one of my 9.1s conked out. im getting a very low output compared to the other working speaker. mga sirs crossover ba yung problem or yung driver?

It could be either, depende sa output. Buksan mo na lang para matest mabuti. Or paservice mo. If you're gonna replace a part, you may want to replace the part in pairs (both sides) to ensure good matching.

[Verbl Kint]

Do retailers also sell speaker grills?  I'm thinking of replacing the ones on my 9.5.

[squatt3r]

It could be either, depende sa output. Buksan mo na lang para matest mabuti. Or paservice mo. If you're gonna replace a part, you may want to replace the part in pairs (both sides) to ensure good matching.

Binuksan ko kagabi but did not noticed any visible defect on both driver and crossover. Naalala ni misis pinihit ni baby yung volume ng Onkyo AVR last week. Now, I have a better argument to upgrade.

[armymanhaha]

Nagpa service din ako ng Wharfedale 10.1 ko sa Listening Room sa Mega. Yung isang speaker kasi nagkakaron ng clapping sound pag may bass na below 100hz. Di pa rin nakakabalik yung unit sakin ngayon after 1week. Ang problema ko ngayon is yung matching ng speakers since di nila kinuha yung ka partner na isang speaker, yung may defect lang. Pede ko kaya i-request na palitan din yung isang walang defect na unit?

PS. I know this is the Diamond 9 series, kaso eto lang alam kong mapagtatanungan.

[FrancisS]

Try them both, but I prefer the 9.3. It doesn't have the artificial bump on the lows that the 9.1 and the 9.2 have to make up for the lack of absolute extension. This makes them sound more open and neutral, or less congested, nasal and boomy. Look for gear that will partner well with them.

I agree with this, I used to have 9.1s for fronts, mas masarap pakinggan yung 9.3.

[Stagea]

I agree with this, I used to have 9.1s for fronts, mas masarap pakinggan yung 9.3.

I've tried the entire Diamond 9 line, and I liked the 9.3 and the 9.6 best (of this bunch). The 9.6 however, only sounds its best with a strong amplifier. The 9.6 needs an amp with a lot of current capacity, because of wild impedance dips and highly negative phase angles. For most HT setups (entry level to midlevel AVR powered), I suggest looking at the 9.3 instead. They're fairly forgiving speakers, and are not very difficult to drive. They do lack absolute LF extension, which the 9.6 delivers. However, in an HT setup, the sub can handle those frequencies. Use thick cables, toe the speakers in, take out the grilles, cross them at around 60Hz, and you'd likely be set (you can handle the EQ-ing and time alignment adjustments, as necessary).

There are also other speaker options out there, and it's always best to hunt around and hear the set that you like best.

[Verbl Kint]

Do retailers also sell speaker grills?  I'm thinking of replacing the ones on my 9.5.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Stagea]

Do retailers also sell speaker grills?  I'm thinking of replacing the ones on my 9.5.

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I suggest that you contact Zamony directly.

[Verbl Kint]

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I suggest that you contact Zamony directly.

Thanks!  I'll look them up.

[FrancisS]

I've tried the entire Diamond 9 line, and I liked the 9.3 and the 9.6 best (of this bunch). The 9.6 however, only sounds its best with a strong amplifier. The 9.6 needs an amp with a lot of current capacity, because of wild impedance dips and highly negative phase angles. For most HT setups (entry level to midlevel AVR powered), I suggest looking at the 9.3 instead. They're fairly forgiving speakers, and are not very difficult to drive. They do lack absolute LF extension, which the 9.6 delivers. However, in an HT setup, the sub can handle those frequencies. Use thick cables, toe the speakers in, take out the grilles, cross them at around 60Hz, and you'd likely be set (you can handle the EQ-ing and time alignment adjustments, as necessary).

There are also other speaker options out there, and it's always best to hunt around and hear the set that you like best.

I set mine at 80hz, would 60hz be better?  I crossed my 9CM and 9.1(rears) to 80hz as well.

[Stagea]

I set mine at 80hz, would 60hz be better?  I crossed my 9CM and 9.1(rears) to 80hz as well.

Try 50 or 60Hz with the 9.3, then try 70Hz with the 9.CM and the 9.1.

[FrancisS]

ok, I'll try that, I actually tried to cross them all at 60hz last night.  I'll try naman these settings you suggest.