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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3780 on: Jul 27, 2012 at 11:20 PM »
Hello po.. Quick question lang. I have Wharfedale 9.1 (Fronts) and 9.CS. (No subwoofer)

Okay lang po ba pa tugtugin etong bass tester (from YouTube)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-FEaGJG8Y


Hindi po ba nakakasira ng speakers? Volume ko is about -30 pa lang. I'm using a Pioneer VSX-1021-K.


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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3781 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 10:17 AM »
Hello po.. Quick question lang. I have Wharfedale 9.1 (Fronts) and 9.CS. (No subwoofer)

Okay lang po ba pa tugtugin etong bass tester (from YouTube)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-FEaGJG8Y


Hindi po ba nakakasira ng speakers? Volume ko is about -30 pa lang. I'm using a Pioneer VSX-1021-K.


TIA! :)

bai rhodem24, as long as you don't hear any distortion it will be ok.. just curious why would you subject your wharfs to a bass test?  :)
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3782 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 10:29 AM »
bai rhodem24, as long as you don't hear any distortion it will be ok.. just curious why would you subject your wharfs to a bass test?  :)

Thanks bro. I just saw the vid in youtube and na curious lang. Haha.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3783 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 04:22 PM »
Thanks bro. I just saw the vid in youtube and na curious lang. Haha.
maybe curious ka na mag boom boom pow si 9.1 just like what you saw in youtube ;D
pero bomalabs na gumalaw yung driver nyan the way na gumagalaw yung speaker sa youtube ;)
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3784 on: Jul 29, 2012 at 06:47 PM »
maybe curious ka na mag boom boom pow si 9.1 just like what you saw in youtube ;D
pero bomalabs na gumalaw yung driver nyan the way na gumagalaw yung speaker sa youtube ;)

Ano po yung bomalabs? Hehehe. Nag move nga yung drivers pero slight lang.. Medyo matigas ba yung cones nya?

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3785 on: Jul 30, 2012 at 09:37 PM »
The drivers of the 9.1 will not have the excursion similar to subwoofers.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3786 on: Aug 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM »
Di ba overkill if I power may 9.1, 9.CS, and 9.SR with Onkyo 609? I'm upgrading from Yamaha 361.  Will it sound way better? I'm contented with my receiver but can't resist the 609.  It's on it's way from the US but was wondering if I will really enjoy the difference. I'm using a Polk Audio PSW110.

Just wondering lang kasi I'm still out of the country and will get to play with it next month pa.  ;)
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3787 on: Aug 15, 2012 at 05:06 AM »
Di ba overkill if I power may 9.1, 9.CS, and 9.SR with Onkyo 609? I'm upgrading from Yamaha 361.  Will it sound way better? I'm contented with my receiver but can't resist the 609.  It's on it's way from the US but was wondering if I will really enjoy the difference. I'm using a Polk Audio PSW110.

Just wondering lang kasi I'm still out of the country and will get to play with it next month pa.  ;)

The extra current capacity should help the Diamond 9s significantly at higher playback levels.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3788 on: Aug 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM »
Thanks. I'm excited na.  Do you think that I need to bi-amp my 9.1?  I will be using a 5.1 setup since my couch is against the wall. So I can use the surround back channels for bi-amping. Please advise.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3789 on: Aug 16, 2012 at 01:43 AM »
Thanks. I'm excited na.  Do you think that I need to bi-amp my 9.1?  I will be using a 5.1 setup since my couch is against the wall. So I can use the surround back channels for bi-amping. Please advise.
if your avr support bi-amping please do so
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3790 on: Aug 16, 2012 at 02:47 PM »
if your avr support bi-amping please do so

Yes 609 supports bi-amping. Should the wires be the same gauge for the tweeter and main driver? Or can I use a smaller wire to connect the tweeter?

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3791 on: Aug 16, 2012 at 03:18 PM »
Yes 609 supports bi-amping. Should the wires be the same gauge for the tweeter and main driver? Or can I use a smaller wire to connect the tweeter?

Thanks again.

people will suggest same gauge and same length

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3792 on: Aug 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM »
people will suggest same gauge and same length

Ok.  Will bi-amp  my 9.1 then.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3793 on: Aug 18, 2012 at 08:43 PM »
Ok.  Will by-amp  my 9.1 then.

bi-amping will make your 9.1 sound fuller..  :)
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3794 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM »
grabe ganda pala ng 9.1 and pioneer 521 setup.
mas gusto ko yung tunog nya compare sa pio 521 + rti a3
siguro kasi entry level lang yung amp.
pero ganda talaga.

ano po difference ng 10.1 sa 9.1? ano po mas maganda?
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3795 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM »
ano po difference ng 10.1 sa 9.1? ano po mas maganda?

Magkaiba sila ng tunog. Mas maganda is in the ear of the beholder.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3796 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM »
grabe ganda pala ng 9.1 and pioneer 521 setup.
mas gusto ko yung tunog nya compare sa pio 521 + rti a3
siguro kasi entry level lang yung amp.
pero ganda talaga.

ano po difference ng 10.1 sa 9.1? ano po mas maganda?
malayo ang difference ng dalawa kapag music
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3797 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 01:08 PM »
para po sa inyo ano po kas prefer nyo. 9.1 or 10.1
ganda kasi ng 9.1. hindi ko pa narinig yung 9.1 pero sa ngayon 10 1 nalang daw available

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3798 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 01:16 PM »
para po sa inyo ano po kas prefer nyo. 9.1 or 10.1
ganda kasi ng 9.1. hindi ko pa narinig yung 9.1 pero sa ngayon 10 1 nalang daw available
ngongo kasi ung 9.1 sa music hihihi
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3799 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 04:57 PM »
grabe ganda pala ng 9.1 and pioneer 521 setup.
mas gusto ko yung tunog nya compare sa pio 521 + rti a3
siguro kasi entry level lang yung amp.
pero ganda talaga.

ano po difference ng 10.1 sa 9.1? ano po mas maganda?

Baka type mo yung "fuller" sound ng 9.1 vs the RTi. Pero mas malinaw highs nung Polks. Had the 9.1 as my very first speaker paired with a NAD 320bee.  Maganda siya for starters, pero once you go higher up the food chain, medyo ngongo yung 9.1 compared to other speakers.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3800 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 05:19 PM »
Anyone tried 200watts per channel amp and above  over a 9.1?   ;)
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3801 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 05:31 PM »
Magkaiba sila ng tunog. Mas maganda is in the ear of the beholder.

same driver lang po sila sir?
ang difference is the finished and the port.

why iba yung tunog nila?
just curious lang.. ???

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3802 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 05:39 PM »
para po sa inyo ano po kas prefer nyo. 9.1 or 10.1
ganda kasi ng 9.1. hindi ko pa narinig yung 9.1 pero sa ngayon 10 1 nalang daw available
akala ko nagandahan ka sa tunog ng 9.1 tapos di mo pa pala narinig?ano ba talaga?

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3803 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 07:20 PM »
Thanks. I'm excited na.  Do you think that I need to bi-amp my 9.1?  I will be using a 5.1 setup since my couch is against the wall. So I can use the surround back channels for bi-amping. Please advise.

I don't believe there's any benefit to bi-amping using the same receiver.

Why do receivers provide the option?  Because the receiver company's marketing department believes it will improve sales.  And they are probably right.

To get a real improvement, true bi-amping requires:

(a) Separate amps, each with its own power supply; and
(b) An electronic crossover that splits the signal before reaching the amplifier.

"Bi-amping" from the same receiver via the unused surround back channels fails on both counts because:

(a) The unused back surround channels are separate amp sections, but all 7 sections use the same power supply.  Whether you divide the power into 7 amp sections or 5 amp sections, the total power from the same power supply  remains the same.

(b) The receiver does not have a crossover that splits the signal into high and low frequency for the same channel.  Sure, the receiver has an internal electronic crossover, but that crossover only splits the signal into main & subwoofer channels --- it does not split the signal into high & low for the same channel.  

Using the same receiver, whether you bi-amp or not: (a) Your main channels receive the same total power; and (b) Your high-frequency and low-frequency speakers on the same speaker box receive the same full-frequency signal.  The passive crossover filters on the speaker groups inside the speaker box will just dump the power of the unwanted frequencies into resistors which will dissipate as heat.

Therefore, bi-amping from the same receiver is useless, IMO.  

Why do some users report an improvement?  Because they're giving a subjective report that was not based on a double-blind ABX test.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3804 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 08:32 PM »
same driver lang po sila sir?
ang difference is the finished and the port.

why iba yung tunog nila?
just curious lang.. ???

somehow better daw ang mids ng 10.1 though i havent heard it
maganda review ng 10.1 ng stereophile kaya want ko itry before pero sir stagea hindi nagandahan haha

iba ang driver ng 10 series sa 9...
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3805 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 08:43 PM »
I don't believe there's any benefit to bi-amping using the same receiver.

Why do receivers provide the option?  Because the receiver company's marketing department believes it will improve sales.  And they are probably right.

To get a real improvement, true bi-amping requires:

(a) Separate amps, each with its own power supply; and
(b) An electronic crossover that splits the signal before reaching the amplifier.

"Bi-amping" from the same receiver via the unused surround back channels fails on both counts because:

(a) The unused back surround channels are separate amp sections, but all 7 sections use the same power supply.  Whether you divide the power into 7 amp sections or 5 amp sections, the total power from the same power supply  remains the same.

(b) The receiver does not have a crossover that splits the signal into high and low frequency for the same channel.  Sure, the receiver has an internal electronic crossover, but that crossover only splits the signal into main & subwoofer channels --- it does not split the signal into high & low for the same channel.  

Using the same receiver, whether you bi-amp or not: (a) Your main channels receive the same total power; and (b) Your high-frequency and low-frequency speakers on the same speaker box receive the same full-frequency signal.  The passive crossover filters on the speaker groups inside the speaker box will just dump the power of the unwanted frequencies into resistors which will dissipate as heat.

Therefore, bi-amping from the same receiver is useless, IMO.  

Why do some users report an improvement?  Because they're giving a subjective report that was not based on a double-blind ABX test.

if i do bi-amp plus bi-wire let say front channel to LF speaker input and surround channel to HF input of the speaker what sound benefit will i get?
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3806 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 08:52 PM »
if i do bi-amp plus bi-wire let say front channel to LF speaker input and surround channel to HF input of the speaker what sound benefit will i get?

Nothing.

Bi-wiring is even more useless than bi-amping.  Combining useless bi-amping with useless bi-wiring will give you the same useless result.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3807 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 09:02 PM »
Nothing.

Bi-wiring is even more useless than bi-amping.  Combining useless bi-amping with useless bi-wiring will give you the same useless result.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3808 on: Aug 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM »
akala ko nagandahan ka sa tunog ng 9.1 tapos di mo pa pala narinig?ano ba talaga?
ay sorry wrong mistake. 10.1 po yung hindi ko pa naririnig.
ang available na lang sa mga stores kasi 10.1 or 10 series na, so far yung 9.1 palang naririnig.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #3809 on: Aug 21, 2012 at 03:11 AM »
Thanks for all the inputs.

I guess I just need to try it then.
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