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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2910 on: Jul 09, 2008 at 07:10 PM »

Wharfedale subs are not good, pero OK na rin for small rooms.  In your case, mabibitin ka lang sa Wharfe subs kasi ang laki ng fronts and center mo.

Shop for other subs.  I recommend starting with a 12-inch Velodyne, then a 12-inch Klipsch. 



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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2911 on: Jul 09, 2008 at 07:22 PM »
I agree. There are better subs than Wharfedale especially for HT setup (I don't know for music).  Get a mid to high end subwoofer.  If I remember it correctly, you plan on getting Onkyo 805/875 so I suppose you have the budget to get a better sub to complement your high-powered receiver.  We have almost the same setup although my front is 9.5.  I got Velodyne CHT-12R for my sub.  Try to audition other sub (like Klipsch as suggested by barrister or Usher/Mordaunt Short per tuscany) in the higher price range compared to SW250.  10" high end sub is usually enough for small room.  For big rooms or if you're a bass-person, get a bigger one. Good luck!  ;D
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2912 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 12:04 AM »
I tried to compare the SW300 (and SW250) with the Velodyne CHT12R...
basically I found no reviews for the wharfdale sub...
Sales guy said it (wharfedale subs) were sealed subs...so they were better for audio rather than home theater.

If you want to shake the room, the sofa, and get a heart/chest massage...
you will need a sub that can lowwww (need 75 db at 22 Hz for room shaking )  like the CHT12R
here check this link:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=55822.msg601195#msg601195


SW250 is 20k. Meron pa ba mas maganda na sub for this? I'm planning to get:

Wharfdale Diamond 9.6 (Front)
Wharfdale Diamond 9CM (Center)
Wharfdale Diamond 9DFS (Rear Surround)
Wharfdale Diamond 9DFS (Side Surround)

for my setup. Which subwoofer is best for this setup? I heard medyo kulang ang SW250?

« Last Edit: Jul 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM by ericag_ph »

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2913 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 03:05 AM »
guys magkano ba on average ang wharfdale 9.1, per piece ba yun or pair? thanks, planning to get one this weekend after reading the thread hehe... pahingi na din ng advice, ok lang ba yung 9.1 kahit sa maliit na condo lang? thanks in advance

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2914 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 07:13 AM »
The problem with me is I can't audition. All I do is read your reviews and suggestions. I'm from Bacolod so no stores or dealers here. I just order whichever is good in reviews. hehe

I'll try to read the subwoofer reviews, thanks guys.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2915 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM »
guys magkano ba on average ang wharfdale 9.1, per piece ba yun or pair? thanks, planning to get one this weekend after reading the thread hehe... pahingi na din ng advice, ok lang ba yung 9.1 kahit sa maliit na condo lang? thanks in advance

9.1 ang pinaka maganda sa diamond 9 series. kahit dito sa pdvd wala masyadong issues sa mga members. price quoted by the stores here are usually for a pair. its really a bang for a buck.  ;D

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2916 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 11:03 AM »
SW250 is 20k. Meron pa ba mas maganda na sub for this? I'm planning to get:

Wharfdale Diamond 9.6 (Front)
Wharfdale Diamond 9CM (Center)
Wharfdale Diamond 9DFS (Rear Surround)
Wharfdale Diamond 9DFS (Side Surround)

for my setup. Which subwoofer is best for this setup? I heard medyo kulang ang SW250?


Agree with Barrister,

9.6's are big speakers.  If you set your reciever on large for your fronts they do a pretty decent job of supplying you base.  But if you want something more.......I'd suggest to that you go for a good 12 incher ;D
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2917 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM »
Yup.  the way I see it, the 9.6 is so big and its bass so loud that anything less than a 12-incher would be a waste of money, since the bass on sir kieron's 9.6 can produce even lower frequencies than most subwoofers.

Consider the specs:

The 9.6 low frequency is rated at 28Hz: http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/model.php?model_id=16

The SW-250 low frequency is rated at only 30 Hz at boundary position (placed near walls): http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/model.php?model_id=112

I think an SW-250 would be useless when paired with a 9.6.

Compare that with a Klipsch RW-12, rated at 21Hz: http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rw-12.aspx ; power is 340 watts continuous and FTC Rated.

Audition a Klipsch RW-12, and you'll find that price is still in the mid-range, yet performance is on a much higher level.
     
« Last Edit: Jul 10, 2008 at 11:56 AM by barrister »

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2918 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM »
agree with the bass performance of the 9.6. the bonus is that when you set your fronts to Large, there is not much need to tweak your LFE anymore as it is now level mixed as what was originally intended. only caveat though is you really then need to pair it with a beefy amp.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2919 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 01:10 PM »
SW250 is 20k. Meron pa ba mas maganda na sub for this? I'm planning to get:

Wharfdale Diamond 9.6 (Front)
Wharfdale Diamond 9CM (Center)
Wharfdale Diamond 9DFS (Rear Surround)
Wharfdale Diamond 9DFS (Side Surround)

for my setup. Which subwoofer is best for this setup? I heard medyo kulang ang SW250?


For the same price tag of P20K sub, you may wish to consider the following:
12" Polk Audio PSW125 at 12 months P15790.
Paradigm PDR10 at 12 months P18K
Velodyne VX10 at P18K

Please check these products at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. Or call 634-1789 to 90 for particulars.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2920 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 01:15 PM »
guys magkano ba on average ang wharfdale 9.1, per piece ba yun or pair? thanks, planning to get one this weekend after reading the thread hehe... pahingi na din ng advice, ok lang ba yung 9.1 kahit sa maliit na condo lang? thanks in advance

We sell Wharfedale 9.1 at P5500. cash.

Visit Sights and Sounds at 4th levle Shangri-La Plaza. Tel 634-1789 to 90.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2921 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 01:34 PM »
Precisely why I didn't get the SW300...or SW250...couldn't audition either one.  It would have been a blind purchase...coupled with the fact
there were hardly any reviews on the net about them. IMHO if you have the budget, you can't go wrong with the Velodyne CHT12R (about P34K). 

The problem with me is I can't audition. All I do is read your reviews and suggestions. I'm from Bacolod so no stores or dealers here. I just order whichever is good in reviews. hehe

I'll try to read the subwoofer reviews, thanks guys.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2922 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 04:03 PM »
i agree with ericag_ph.....

cant go wrong with a velo chtr !!!

if ur room isnt that big, the more affordable cht10r
could also be a good candidate. (less than 30k ata)

i have that 10 incher & its low freq is more than enough
for my bass craving! ;D
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2923 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 05:33 PM »
I just read somewhere that Wharfedale speakers are warm speakers.  What receiver is the best match for it?  (sorry if this has been asked before..)

Is Onkyo, which some consider as a warm receiver, a good match for Wharfe?  Oks lang ba effect ng warm receiver with warm speaker?

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2924 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 07:09 PM »
I just read somewhere that Wharfedale speakers are warm speakers.  What receiver is the best match for it?  (sorry if this has been asked before..)

Yes, Wharfes are considered warm or laid-back, as distinguished from bright or forward-sounding.

Best match is a Yamaha receiver.


(sorry if this has been asked before..)

Yes, the topic has been extensviely discussed a few years back.  OK lang.  I know it's not going to be easy to search for the old posts.

Receiver-speaker matching was a perennial hot topic in those days.  I noticed that when flat panel TVs became popular due to price drops, audio discussions became a cold topic.   


Is Onkyo, which some consider as a warm receiver, a good match for Wharfe?  Oks lang ba effect ng warm receiver with warm speaker?

It depends on your preference.

You might like a warm sound if you want to listen for long periods without fatigue, and you don't mind sacrificing some clarity and detail.

For me, the effect is unacceptable, especially for movies.  I like the dialog in my movies to be crystal-clear.  A too-warm sound causes muffled dialog.   
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Best match receiver for Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2925 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 07:50 PM »
Sir barrister:
How about Denon or HK?  It seems that Onkyo is more popular these days because of their more advanced features like ability to decode HD audio formats in lower end models as compared to the competition.

Although OT, it would be nice if you could post, as far as you could recall, the best match for each brand of speaker and receiver for the benefit of the newbies here.  :)

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2926 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 09:26 PM »
sir barrister, just a question, I use a SONY STRDE-835 receiver, as per those who have knowledge with my AVR, they said that it also is on the warm side, when I paired it with a wharfdale diamond set, it sucked. I only fixed the problem by tuning my amps x-over and eq to death.

would this be an issue of being overly warm? i don't think thats a good sound characteristic for HT (movie viewing). Ive heard from numerous members swearing that the HK and Wharf Diamond combo is a winner. Maybe matching is very very important for wharfdales???

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2927 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 09:39 PM »
just got my black 9.1s today and talk about bang for the back. You're looking at a happy camper! Paired it with my Onkyo receiver and agree it's on the warm side. Love it with bossa nova music tho. Will try it tonite for movies but may need to tweak it a bit. Hope to get the 9cs and 9dfs this weekend...

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2928 on: Jul 10, 2008 at 10:28 PM »
gonna buy those 9.1s din tomorrow, na audition ko na, ok lang ba i pair sa teac ag-15d or kenwood krf v6070? yun kse balak kong bilhin na amplifier, yun lang pasok sa budget, hehe

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2929 on: Jul 11, 2008 at 12:57 AM »
gonna buy those 9.1s din tomorrow, na audition ko na, ok lang ba i pair sa teac ag-15d or kenwood krf v6070? yun kse balak kong bilhin na amplifier, yun lang pasok sa budget, hehe

Try not to rush. If you're working on a budget, hold it off and save some more on an amp that will satisfy you. Mahirap kasi yung "pwede na yan." You might find yourself in the SARS path, sooner than later, especially when you hear the set-ups of others and visit AV shops.

Good luck  :)

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2930 on: Jul 11, 2008 at 01:27 AM »
How about Denon or HK? 

For Denon, try Mission, Monitor Audio and B&W.

For HK, some members like Wharfe.  But I've heard an HK-Wharfe audition, and I didn't like it.  It's fine for music, but on movies, it lacks bite.  Detail and clarity are a bit less than I would prefer for movies. 

HK with JBL speakers and HK with Klipsch speakers sound very good.


Although OT, it would be nice if you could post, as far as you could recall, the best match for each brand of speaker and receiver for the benefit of the newbies here.  :)

I honestly don't think I'm qualified to give a rundown of matching receivers and speakers.  ;D   

I'm sure sir Matzter can do a much better job.  That guy auditions anything he can get his hands on  :D

I suggest that you post an inquiry on the thread of the specific receiver/speaker you're interested in.  That way, we'd have a better chance of gettting reliable answers.


sir barrister, just a question, I use a SONY STRDE-835 receiver, as per those who have knowledge with my AVR, they said that it also is on the warm side, when I paired it with a wharfdale diamond set, it sucked. I only fixed the problem by tuning my amps x-over and eq to death.

I'm not familiar with the Sony receivers, but I can say this much: If you need a lot of tuning and EQ to get the sound right, then that's a sure sign of receiver-speaker mismatch.

Personally, I avoid processing because I want the encoded material to be reproduced as accurately as possible.

On well-authored discs, the sound should be perfect or near-perfect with zero processing.  You should need tuning only on poorly mastered discs.


would this be an issue of being overly warm? i don't think thats a good sound characteristic for HT (movie viewing). Ive heard from numerous members swearing that the HK and Wharf Diamond combo is a winner.

Yes, it could be an issue of being overly warm.  That's not good for movies, since you lose the clarity and details necessary to accurately reproduce high frequency effects and imaging.

I've also heard praises about the HK-Wharfe Diamond combination, but I'm of a different opinion.  To me, dialog is not clear enough; and high frequency effects are not sharp enough.     


Maybe matching is very very important for wharfdales???

Actually, matching is critical for any receiver-speaker combination.  If you don't get it right, it's going to be very hard to get a good-sounding system. 

That's why I'm puzzled as to why the subject of matching has been neglected for some years in this forum.

As for Wharfedales, they are truly well-made speakers using top-notch design and materials.

The problem is that they are not neutral-sounding speakers.  But there's nothing wrong with them; they're just intentionally designed that way. 

Wharfedale's sound signature is characteristic of the "British sound", which is more laid-back than the more forward, in-your-face "American sound". 

Wharfedales are designed to work well for receivers that are neutral-sounding to bright.


gonna buy those 9.1s din tomorrow, na audition ko na, ok lang ba i pair sa teac ag-15d or kenwood krf v6070?

Wala akong balita sa combination na yan.  Pero ang napansin ko, kung TEAC or Kenwood, sa 5th Avenue ka siguro tumitingin?   

They have a bad reputation in this forum.  Please browse this before deciding:

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=42532.0
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2931 on: Jul 11, 2008 at 10:06 AM »
Thanks bro. On my old Sony AVR - Mission 7 series set, the sound was perfect even when everything was flat. Ive learned my lesson, dont mess with what isnt broke.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2932 on: Jul 15, 2008 at 01:17 AM »
Yes, Wharfes are considered warm or laid-back, as distinguished from bright or forward-sounding.

Best match is a Yamaha receiver.


Will Wharfedale 9.1 sound better with Onkyo 605 than Yamaha RX-V361?
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2933 on: Jul 15, 2008 at 09:32 AM »
Will Wharfedale 9.1 sound better with Onkyo 605 than Yamaha RX-V361?

im also interested in knowing the answer to the above :) yamaha user here.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2934 on: Jul 15, 2008 at 10:44 AM »

It will depend on your tastes, but most would say that Wharfedale will sound worse with an Onkyo.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2935 on: Jul 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM »
yup yup. just inquiring in case there are many members here have already tried that combination. considering an upgrade of the speakers very soon for HT. for audio i connected an altec lansing 15" for 2 channel listening.

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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2936 on: Jul 15, 2008 at 01:12 PM »
It will depend on your tastes, but most would say that Wharfedale will sound worse with an Onkyo.

I agree with this... but still, you have to try it for yourself bro :)
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2937 on: Jul 16, 2008 at 12:34 AM »
It will depend on your tastes, but most would say that Wharfedale will sound worse with an Onkyo.

Sir, is this considering the fact that Yamaha RX-V361 is an entry level and Onkyo 605 as mid-level receiver? How about if I go to high-end model such as Onkyo 805?  I'm considering the idea of upgrade on my receiver. I might be able to get an Onkyo receiver from the US which is very cheap (around 34k for 805 with freight) but if I need to upgrade my speaker, the savings won't be sufficient to justify it. So I might as well get a mid-level Yamaha receiver locally if that's the case. ???
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2938 on: Jul 16, 2008 at 10:12 AM »

No, I was discussing the brand without reference to model number.  Wharfedale matches better with Yamaha than Onkyo.

You're right.  Upgrading to a mid-level Onkyo will require you to replace your speakers with a matching model.  But upgrading to a mid-level Yamaha will allow you to retain your Wharfedales.
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Re: Wharfedale Diamond 9 Series
« Reply #2939 on: Jul 16, 2008 at 10:45 AM »
To all wharfedale users, would anyone care to send me information on the crossover used for the Wharfedale Diamond 9.5.  I need the values of the coils, resistors and the caps.  If anyone has the pcb schematics, it will also be of great help.

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