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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10260 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 07:28 PM »
Quote from: JoeyGS on Oct 16, 2014 at 11:18 AM
...and the winner is....... 8)


today's verdict... no winner, they both lost to the Behringer's AKM4393 DAC... ;D ;D ;D

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10261 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 07:46 PM »
What I was able to put together for the last two months...

Laptop: Asus K450C on Windows 7
Player: Foobar
DAC1: Muse USB DAC (used for USB to S/PDIF duty)
DAC2: Behringer DEQ2496 via AKM4393 DAC
RTA: Behringer DEQ2496 with Aikido Tube Output
Interconnect: Cal's Cables / JD Labs S/PDIF RCA to AES/EBU XLR
Preamp: Aikido Tube Preamp 12SN7
Amplifier: Honey Badger (diyAudio's official prototype)
Speakers: Wharfdale 9.1
Speaker Wires: AWG #12 Flatcord
Accessories: Android remote to follow


Signal flow:

Laptop > MUSE DAC (as USB to S/PDIF converter) > S/PDIF to AES/EBU converter > Behringer DEQ2496 AKM4393 DAC and RTA with Aikido Tube Output > Aikido Tube Preamp > Honey Badger > Wharfdale 9.1

and finally > My Ears ;D

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10262 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 07:50 PM »
Good to know brader na you like the sound of that Asahi Kasei chip. May nagpahiram sa akin recently ng DIY dac with AKM4399 chip, very analog sounding!  8)

Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 16, 2014 at 07:28 PM

today's verdict... no winner, they both lost to the Behringer's AKM4393 DAC... ;D ;D ;D
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10263 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM »
Quote from: deist on Oct 16, 2014 at 07:50 PM
Good to know brader na you like the sound of that Asahi Kasei chip. May nagpahiram sa akin recently ng DIY dac with AKM4399 chip, very analog sounding!  8)


Yes brader, worth every Yen I paid for and more. Buti na lang may brader tayo na "nagbitbit" para makauwi dito ito hehehe...

Asahi Kasei chips are like the specops of DAC chips, they always get it right the first time. :)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10264 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 08:46 PM »
Mark Audio na lang ang kulang 8)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10265 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 08:56 PM »
Quote from: JoeyGS on Oct 16, 2014 at 08:46 PM
Mark Audio na lang ang kulang 8)

Korek! Future project natin yan... ;)

Inaarbor ng prinsesa ko yun isang pares at igawa ko daw ng USB/SD Card jukebox.  ::)

Sa ganito lang gagamitin ang gusto Mark Audio speakers pa.  >:D ;D

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10266 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 09:27 PM »
Marunong ang prinsesa mo :P
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10267 on: Oct 16, 2014 at 09:50 PM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM

Asahi Kasei chips are like the specops of DAC chips, they always get it right the first time. :)

Quote from: deist on Oct 16, 2014 at 07:50 PM
Good to know brader na you like the sound of that Asahi Kasei chip. May nagpahiram sa akin recently ng DIY dac with AKM4399 chip, very analog sounding!  8)


Uy!  Nataong AKM4399 chip din ang gamit ni Schiit sa Bifrost :)

"AKM4399 DAC and Discrete Analog Section
Even without considering upgradability, Bifrost offers incredible value. A case in point is its AKM4399 32 bit D/A converter, used in DACs costing many times more than Bifrost. The Bifrost Uber analog section is a fully discrete, low noise JFET design, just like multi-thousand-dollar 'statement' DACs."

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SCBIFROUB
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10268 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:03 AM »
Quote from: JoeyGS on Oct 16, 2014 at 09:27 PM
Marunong ang prinsesa mo :P


Sinabi mo, gusto gamit niya kamukha gamit ko hay... ;D

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10269 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:07 AM »
Quote from: BongerDude on Oct 16, 2014 at 09:50 PM
Uy!  Nataong AKM4399 chip din ang gamit ni Schiit sa Bifrost :)

"AKM4399 DAC and Discrete Analog Section
Even without considering upgradability, Bifrost offers incredible value. A case in point is its AKM4399 32 bit D/A converter, used in DACs costing many times more than Bifrost. The Bifrost Uber analog section is a fully discrete, low noise JFET design, just like multi-thousand-dollar 'statement' DACs."

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SCBIFROUB


They're very musical but if you look at their datasheets, they're not that impressive in terms of "numbers". Actually, there are other DACs that surpass AKM chips, spec wise - but we never listen to datasheets. :P ;D

That is probably why they are coined in the industry as the "miracle DAC" chips. 8)

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10270 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:19 AM »
Yes. It's a pity they got over-shadowed by ESS with all the hype on the sabre chips (which certainly beats other chip manufacturers spec & feature wise). But all those numbers & graphs won't show a DAC's "musicality"   ;)

I'd say the Sabre chips are more "analytical" while the AKM chips are more "musical"  8)

Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 17, 2014 at 12:07 AM

They're very musical but if you look at their datasheets, they're not that impressive in terms of "numbers". Actually, there are other DACs that surpass AKM chips, spec wise - but we never listen to datasheets. :P ;D

That is probably why they are coined in the industry as the "miracle DAC" chips. 8)



Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM
Yes brader, worth every Yen I paid for and more. Buti na lang may brader tayo na "nagbitbit" para makauwi dito ito hehehe...

Asahi Kasei chips are like the specops of DAC chips, they always get it right the first time. :)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10271 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:23 AM »
Even the more expensive (high-end) brand "Esoteric" utilizes AKM chips with their products  ;)

Quote from: BongerDude on Oct 16, 2014 at 09:50 PM
Uy!  Nataong AKM4399 chip din ang gamit ni Schiit sa Bifrost :)

"AKM4399 DAC and Discrete Analog Section
Even without considering upgradability, Bifrost offers incredible value. A case in point is its AKM4399 32 bit D/A converter, used in DACs costing many times more than Bifrost. The Bifrost Uber analog section is a fully discrete, low noise JFET design, just like multi-thousand-dollar 'statement' DACs."

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SCBIFROUB
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10272 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:44 AM »
Quote from: deist on Oct 17, 2014 at 12:19 AM
Yes. It's a pity they got over-shadowed by ESS with all the hype on the sabre chips (which certainly beats other chip manufacturers spec & feature wise).



I believe their specialty market is the manufacturer of gears and not the end user. Though sometimes manufacturers tend to choose parts that are already popular to ease and aid in marketing their products.

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But all those numbers & graphs won't show a DAC's "musicality"   ;)

I'd say the Sabre chips are more "analytical" while the AKM chips are more "musical"  8)


I do read datasheets and graphs in the hopes of understanding why things are the way they are. I was trained in such a way so I can't just dispense those headache-inducing graphs and charts.

But I think it is safe to say that like everybody else here whose an avid music listener, all we yearn for is to enjoy our music the way we like it, just as much as we enjoy our cup of coffee and/or slice of cake.

As a profession, those numbers matter to me too, but when coffee and cake is served - I'd say the hell with the brands and numbers, I'll sit back, listen and enjoy! :)

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10273 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:45 AM »
Quote from: deist on Oct 17, 2014 at 12:23 AM
Even the more expensive (high-end) brand "Esoteric" utilizes AKM chips with their products  ;)


8) 8) 8)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10274 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 10:35 AM »
Sabre - Analytical
AKM - Musical
Burr Brown - Features (now with Octal DSD)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10275 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM »
Quote from: JoeyGS on Oct 17, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Sabre - Analytical
AKM - Musical
Burr Brown - Features (now with Octal DSD)



I think I still have room for one more DAC in my system. >:D

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10276 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 02:25 PM »
Brader, ygpm  :)

Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM


I think I still have room for one more DAC in my system. >:D
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10277 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 03:15 PM »
Quote from: deist on Oct 17, 2014 at 02:25 PM
Brader, ygpm  :)



Pwede! :)

Every weekend na lang ako mag bibingka at puto bung-bong to save up... para ready pag biglang nagtawag ng "game!". ;D


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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10278 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 03:37 PM »
Konting pampagana...

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10279 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 03:40 PM »
May tisoy pa...

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10280 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 03:46 PM »
Di lang pang audio...may pang celphone mo pa.  O0

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10281 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 04:29 PM »
Yun oh! Please reserve! No need for inspection or further inquiries hahaha! ;)

Pinakita ko kay misis yan eh, tanong sa akin kailan daw ako pupunta ng Mandaluyong... parang tinataboy na ako brader... >:D

Sabi ko abangan na lang namin kumatok sa pinto... ;D
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10282 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 04:32 PM »
Quote from: frootloops on Oct 17, 2014 at 03:46 PM
Di lang pang audio...may pang celphone mo pa.  O0


Eto need ko talaga, ang hirap kaya mag saksak sa butas kapag madilim... >:D

Note: Sa butas ng cellphone. ;D

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10283 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 08:50 PM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 16, 2014 at 07:28 PM

today's verdict... no winner, they both lost to the Behringer's AKM4393 DAC... ;D ;D ;D



thanks for the review, Master J !!  ;)

... i will try to look for  Behringer's AKM4393 DAC ^-^
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10284 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 09:01 PM »
Quote from: bass_nut on Oct 17, 2014 at 08:50 PM
thanks for the review, Master J !!  ;)

... i will try to look for  Behringer's AKM4393 DAC ^-^


Doc,

It's the powerhouse of the DEQ2496, aside from S/PDIF / AES/EBU capabilities for full and true digital signal control you also get a bunch of features, most of all an RTA which comes real handy. ;)

Critics may frown at the 24/96 rates because 32/192 is already out in the mainstream market. Nevertheless, I did my homework using my eyes and ears and this is what's favorable to my meager taste in sonic quality. ;D

Coffee cheers!

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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10285 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 09:08 PM »
Coffee Cheers, Master J !!  8)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10286 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 09:19 PM »
Quote from: JojoD818 on Oct 17, 2014 at 04:29 PM
Yun oh! Please reserve! No need for inspection or further inquiries hahaha! ;)

Pinakita ko kay misis yan eh, tanong sa akin kailan daw ako pupunta ng Mandaluyong... parang tinataboy na ako brader... >:D

Sabi ko abangan na lang namin kumatok sa pinto... ;D


Itatabi ko na sayo yang 3 kulay na yan. Text na lang kita pag napadala ko na. ;)
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10287 on: Oct 17, 2014 at 09:37 PM »
Quote from: frootloops on Oct 17, 2014 at 09:19 PM
Itatabi ko na sayo yang 3 kulay na yan. Text na lang kita pag napadala ko na. ;)


Aprub! Salamat brader! 8) 8) 8)

Kung meron pa extra pang cellphone dalawa na din para isa sa bedroom at isa sa man cave hahaha! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10288 on: Oct 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM »
i-group buy na yan!  8)

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Pwede! :)

Every weekend na lang ako mag bibingka at puto bung-bong to save up... para ready pag biglang nagtawag ng "game!". ;D
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Re: JojoD's Tube and Solid State Projects
« Reply #10289 on: Oct 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM »
Quote from: deist on Oct 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM
i-group buy na yan!  8)



agad-agad? ;D ;D ;D

seriously, aral aral muna ako brader... ;)
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