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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #690 on: Aug 28, 2013 at 09:49 PM »
Di ko pa na try natulugan kasi alam mo naman plaka pinapatugtug mo so alert ka at wait mo matapos ang record, pero alam ko dapat di masira ang needle dahil design ng record na dapat di lalampas or papasok sa record label ang stylus, ikot ikot lang dapat siya dun sa no record grooves. Ang siste lang eh maingay or hizz habang naikot sa dulo ang ouput sa amp to speakers mo.
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #691 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 11:44 AM »
Hi gurus,

Thinking of venturing to the world of vinyls. Anyone here has experience with Technics SL-DD20??? Is it any good? Are the replacement parts still available? Or will this give me a lot of headaches in the future?  >:D

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #692 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 01:35 PM »
Hi gurus,

Thinking of venturing to the world of vinyls. Anyone here has experience with Technics SL-DD20??? Is it any good? Are the replacement parts still available? Or will this give me a lot of headaches in the future?  >:D

TIA

Sir better go for SL1300, SL1600, SL1700 or if you have the budget, SL1200 MK2 (or MK3, MK3D/M3D, MK5, MK6, MK5G/M5G variants). The reason why the SL1200/1210 remains high in value (whether new or used) is not only because of its durability but also because of parts availability. I have repaired other Technics models but unfortunately when some parts are damaged, replacements are really hard to find. Most of the time, salvaging parts from other units is the only solution. Brand new parts for the 1200s can still be ordered.

So basically when other Technics models have broken parts, repairing and restoring them to it's original state would be very difficult. Especially the ones with automatic cueing tone arms. Same thing applies with Stanton turntables. Their parts aren't easily available.

Just a note: Some people would claim that Stantons are better than Technics because of it's torque (aka world's strongest motor). But in reality, the torque of Technics is more than enough and no need for a stronger one. Also, Stanton decks have very cheap construction especially in the internal. The SL1200 uses it's main diecast frame as its heatsink as part of its unique design whereas the Stanton (ST-150/STR-150) have metal fins internally that serves as heatsinks and gets really hot inside. Some other features that Stanton have added are basically useless especially for home use. They have no resale value like Technics SL1200 does. So going for the 1200s is a very good investment.

I'm not being biased here on Technics 1200s but millions of people who own them would agree. They are built like tanks. I would 100% choose a used SL1200 MK2 (and other variants) over a brand new Stanton anytime.

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #693 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 01:46 PM »
Sir better go for SL1300, SL1600, SL1700 or if you have the budget, SL1200 MK2 (or MK3, MK3D/M3D, MK5, MK6, MK5G/M5G variants). The reason why the SL1200/1210 remains high in value (whether new or used) is not only because of its durability but also because of parts availability. I have repaired other Technics models but unfortunately when some parts are damaged, replacements are really hard to find. Most of the time, salvaging parts from other units is the only solution. Brand new parts for the 1200s can still be ordered.

So basically when other Technics models have broken parts, repairing and restoring them to it's original state would be very difficult. Especially the ones with automatic cueing tone arms. Same this applies with Stanton turntables. Their parts aren't easily available.

Just a note: Some people would claim that Stantons are better than Technics because of it's torque (aka world's strongest motor). But in reality, the torque of Technics is more than enough and no need for a stronger one. Also, Stanton decks have very cheap construction especially in the internal. The SL1200 uses it's main diecast frame as its heatsink as part of its unique design whereas the Stanton (ST-150/STR-150) have metal fins internally that serves as heatsinks and gets really hot inside. Some other features that Stanton have added are basically useless especially for home use. They have no resale value like Technics SL1200 does. So going for the 1200s is a very good investment.

I'm not being biased here on Technics 1200s but millions of people who own them would agree. They are built like tanks. I would 100% choose a used SL1200 MK2 (and other variants) over a brand new Stanton anytime.

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Wow! Thanks so much for the detailed explanation sir. ;)

Actually, gusto ko nga sana yang sl1200s na yan, yun nga lang I was thinking sa mura lang muna kaya ko naisip yan SLDD20. Since you have confirmed na medyo delikado sya for replacement parts, nagdalawang isip nako kahit mura lang.

Oh well, kelangan siguro talagang manghunting ng SL1200 series longer serviceability... ;)

How about yung mga vintage na Sony, JVC or Pioneer, are they any good? Or any model in particular?
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #694 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 01:54 PM »
If I may further suggest, better save up for an SL-1200 so that it will be a one time-big time expense for you...can't go wrong w/ the SL-1200!
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #695 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 01:58 PM »
If I may further suggest, better save up for an SL-1200 so that it will be a one time-big time expense for you...can't go wrong w/ the SL-1200!

Actually parang sold na nga ako sa SL1200, just keeping my options open kasi on a limited budget (which might balloon pag anjan na sa harap ko ang item ;D) dahil may iba pang priority currently...
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #696 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:16 PM »

How about yung mga vintage na Sony, JVC or Pioneer, are they any good? Or any model in particular?


Sir since most (if not all) models from mainstream bands like Sony, Pioneer, JVC, Kenwood, etc have been discontinued long time ago, I doubt that their parts are easily available. So as suggested, go for Technics SL1200 (M3D or MK3D are the best models of the 1200 series).

Don't rush in getting one, I'm sure madami pa ma-huhunting dyan. If you need some figures about pricing of new-in-box and used units, PM me. May mga dumadating/dumadaan naman sa akin from time to time. :)

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #697 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:24 PM »
In case you find a beaten one at a very cheap price, don't hesitate and must go for it. Kaya natin ibalik sa dati yan sir.

Just like this one which I did in 2009.

This deck belongs to Embassy club. I picked it up looking like this.















Scraped the paint to metal.



Primer painted.




Base paint.








New parts




Replaced the power LEDs to blue, 33/45 rpm LEDs to white and Pop-Up lamp to bright white LEDs.


New aluminum pitch decals.



Wet sanding after top clear coat.


Getting ready for buffing. Compound, swirl remover, polish and wax.









Scraped platter


Newly painted


Replaced parts were:

Pitch control (removed the bearings and springs)
Aluminum pitch decals
Tonearm rest/clips
Power switch
LEDs (pop-up lamps, 33/45rpm buttons, power switch strobe)
Turntable legs. 1 deck was missing 2 legs.
RCA cables and connectors. Eliminated the ground wires.

The base frame is finished in glossy white and all other parts are in flat white and flat black.




White and black tonearm section











The other pair. Finished in all flat colors. Replaced the pitch controls, tonearm rest/clips, LEDs.




« Last Edit: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:25 PM by Nicadraus »

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #698 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:25 PM »
Sir since most (if not all) models from mainstream bands like Sony, Pioneer, JVC, Kenwood, etc have been discontinued long time ago, I doubt that their parts are easily available. So as suggested, go for Technics SL1200 (M3D or MK3D are the best models of the 1200 series).

Don't rush in getting one, I'm sure madami pa ma-huhunting dyan. If you need some figures about pricing of new-in-box and used units, PM me. May mga dumadating/dumadaan naman sa akin from time to time. :)

Nice... thanks! :)
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #699 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:26 PM »
Another one I did for allears/Ivan Esec (from Wired State) back in 2011.

I mixed the paint to match the exact color of the original SL-1210. The SL-1210 isn't really matte black. The color is actually very dark grey.

Before:






General refurbishment:
-scraped and repainted the base frame
-repainted the rubber base
-scraped and repainted the tone arm section
-scraped and refaced/repaint/refaced the platter
-eliminated ground wire
-re-calibrated the tone arm to factory setting
-calibrated the pitch perfect setting
-lubricated the spindle
-all LED lights Strobe,33/45, pop up lamp and pitch
-replaced RCAs

Parts replaced:
-Aluminum pitch decal
-Brand new pitch control (this unit didn't have any when it arrived)
-Pitch PCB assembly (this unit didn't have any when it arrived)
-Pitch knob (this unit didn't have any when it arrived)

After:





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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #700 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:28 PM »
Another pair I refurbished for Boyet Almazan in 2011.

A pair of SL1200LTD Limited series. These babies are limited in production numbers. The picture below is the condition of the decks before I took them apart.









Scraped the paint to aluminum diecast


Disassembled the power switch assembly...


After cleaning the tone arm section...


Re-built and calibrated the tone arm assembly...


SL-1200 Limited plate before repaint and reface...


...then


Finished project.






Replaced all lights to super bright white. Strobe, 33/45 and pop up lamps




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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #701 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:38 PM »
Wow. Very nice craftsmanship... Ang galing
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #702 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 02:45 PM »
@Nicadraus

hanep sir! parang kings of restoration lang :D

pm ako sa inyo sir pag may nakita akong second kung pwede pang parestore :)

meron ako entry level ng ng audio-technica, newbie kasi at balak ko mag upgrade :)

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #703 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 03:59 PM »
ang galeng sir!
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« Reply #704 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:00 PM »
Wow. Very nice craftsmanship... Ang galing

@Nicadraus

hanep sir! parang kings of restoration lang :D

pm ako sa inyo sir pag may nakita akong second kung pwede pang parestore :)

meron ako entry level ng ng audio-technica, newbie kasi at balak ko mag upgrade :)

ang galeng sir!

Thanks mga sir! :)

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #705 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:05 PM »
kala ko saken yung white eh! hehehehe WOWMALI ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #706 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:10 PM »
kala ko saken yung white eh! hehehehe WOWMALI ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sige post ko na din yung sayo bro.

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-Top main frame, tone arm section and headshell are repainted in glossy white finish
-platter repainted and 3-step refaced
-All lights (strobe, 33/45, pop-up/target lamp, pitch indicator) are replaced with super-bright white LEDs
-Rubber base repainted to flat black
-RCA leads and conectors replaced
-Internally grounded
-pitch control calibrated
-tone arm rebuilt and calibrated
-sanded the scratches of the dust cover and buffed















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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #707 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:15 PM »
hahahaha. now PDVD has a resident 1200MAGICMAN  :D :D
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« Reply #708 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:16 PM »
sre, ang galing mo...very nice...
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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #709 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:23 PM »
Hi Nicadraus,

Where can I source the screws for the cover hinges? I was able to buy the cover hinges but it did not come with screws.  And what should be the screw type/size?

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« Reply #710 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:24 PM »
Nice Job indeed sir Nicadraus. 

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« Reply #711 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:27 PM »
hahahaha. now PDVD has a resident 1200MAGICMAN  :D :D

sre, ang galing mo...very nice...

Thanks mga sir! :)

Hi Nicadraus,

Where can I source the screws for the cover hinges? I was able to buy the cover hinges but it did not come with screws.  And what should be the screw type/size?

Thanks and regards,
JoeyGS

I'll check if I still have screws in stock sir. PM ko kayo pag meron. :)

Nice Job indeed sir Nicadraus. 

Thanks! :)

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« Reply #712 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:28 PM »
WoW! More Power Sir Nicadraus.
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« Reply #713 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 04:31 PM »
Thanks Nicadraus .... that's very kind of you, appreciate it.

BTW, excellent job on the restoration work! Keeps the 1200 alive and kicking!

Thanks mga sir! :)

I'll check if I still have screws in stock sir. PM ko kayo pag meron. :)

Thanks! :)

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #714 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 05:09 PM »
Congrats Nicadraus!

I assume you're the same Nicadraus in WS! Excellent craftsmanship on your restorations!

If it is a Technics SL-1200, Nicadraus is THE MAN!

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #715 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 05:26 PM »
hahahaha. now PDVD has a resident 1200MAGICMAN  :D :D

ang danda ng sl1200 mo king dods. balato mo na sa amin kay derek hehe
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« Reply #716 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 05:32 PM »
ang danda ng sl1200 mo king dods. balato mo na sa amin kay derek hehe

ayaw! hahahahaha. may nakita ako sa sulit pair na 1200, 25k ang asking price 100v.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #717 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 05:40 PM »
ayaw! hahahahaha. may nakita ako sa sulit pair na 1200, 25k ang asking price 100v.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

ayaw ko nun. sympre iba pag galing sa iyo ang gears king dods. pwede ko pa gawan ng certificate of authenticity na galing sa analog king....
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« Reply #718 on: Aug 29, 2013 at 06:12 PM »
Thanks mga sir! :)

I'll check if I still have screws in stock sir. PM ko kayo pag meron. :)

Thanks! :)

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Re: Turntable Part 2
« Reply #719 on: Sep 01, 2013 at 09:07 AM »
Share ko lang. How a turntable is made.  8)

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