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NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« on: Oct 04, 2005 at 01:04 PM »
Hi! I'm new here and would like to share  my HT set-up.  actually medyo matagal na akong follower ng pinoy dvd pero ngayon pa lang ako nag post ng message.  nagbabasa lang kasi ng forums because i find it interesting and pleasurable. Aside from that you'll learn a lot here when it comes to gears & gadgets.

more power guys!

i'll post my photos soon, hiramin ko pa yun digicam ni utol.

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #1 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 12:29 PM »
mga sir paano po ba mag post ng picture dito?  many thanks

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #2 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 12:48 PM »
try ko lang po

[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/NongP/DSC00008.jpg]

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #3 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 12:50 PM »
mga sir paano po ba mag post ng picture dito?  many thanks

Have pics hosted first (imageshack, photobucket.com, etc). Then get the URL of your pics.

Use this format ["img"]http://URL[/"img"]. Use img instead of "img".


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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #4 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 01:04 PM »
thanks bumblebee


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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #5 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 03:00 PM »
Nice start NongP! enjoy!
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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #6 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 06:51 PM »
sir NongP!

DIY ba yang HT "rack" mo?
pede ba pagawa? hehe

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #7 on: Oct 12, 2005 at 07:34 PM »
keep it coming bro!!!.. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #8 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 09:42 AM »
sir nongp,

cutom made yung rack mo? eksakto yung mga gears me eh. galing.

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #9 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 01:13 PM »
yes mga Sir, ako lang ang nag design pero pinagawa ko sa kakilala kong Karpintero.

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #10 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 01:32 PM »
more photos

actually ito ang may kasalanan ng lahat


my first DVD player (kabao kb2089) bought it at Raon (NMB of Nelson).  after reading a lot of threads here in pinoydvd about this player sabi ko I should own one of this.




nakita namin ito ng wife ko sa glorietta last Dec 2003 and wife bought as a xmas gift to me. nakahalata siguro dahil ilan beses namin binalikbalikan  ;D


itong xbox bigay lang ni utol. nabili nya sa singapore pag-uwi dito iniwan na. modified na and it can also play DVDs

to bumblebee, odypayl, leomar, aldrinpsx, jetok thanks for viewing  :)

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #11 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 01:39 PM »
Nice... Just a couple of questions/suggestions though.

What speakers you got?

Another thing - won't having your floorstanders 'enclosed' in a wooden cabinet affect their sound? Wouldn't they sound better 'in the open'?

Finally, ever think about placing your center lower, nearer the TV and more level with your fronts?

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #12 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 02:12 PM »
actually sir Alistair Akira lang yun speakers ko (set na sya) pati yun ampli.  as for my floorstander late ko na nakita yun mga set-up dito sa forum kaya ayun wala na ako magawa. for my center speaker i'll take your advice mukha nga mas maganda sya sa baba.  thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it  :)

sir question lang? wala pa kasi ako subwoofer, can i use my karaoke as a subwoofer and connect it to my dvd or dun sa ampli?

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #13 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 03:42 PM »
actually sir Alistair Akira lang yun speakers ko (set na sya) pati yun ampli.
Ok lang yan, wala yan sa brand o ano as long as you set it up properly and are satisfied with what you got for your money.

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as for my floorstander late ko na nakita yun mga set-up dito sa forum kaya ayun wala na ako magawa.
Yun nga eh, seeing all the (higher end) setups by our more experienced members made me realize that's the way to go. Plus, even the manual that came with my speakers mentions you should have ample space between the speakers and the walls around it to minimize any perceived muffling/distortion from the sound reflections. So I was wondering how enclosing them in a cabinet affects them sonically whether good or bad.

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for my center speaker i'll take your advice mukha nga mas maganda sya sa baba.
Hindi lang sa mas maganda. By placing your center speaker more level with the drivers of your fronts, you get a more 'seamless' soundstage, sabi nga. At most, they should be only a foot or two higher or lower than your front drivers, daw. Try it and see if you like better, I say.

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thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it  :) sir question lang? wala pa kasi ako subwoofer, can i use my karaoke as a subwoofer and connect it to my dvd or dun sa ampli?
When I was younger, (much younger, many years ago) I hooked up my soundcard using a DiY 1/8" to a 1/4" phono plug to the mic-in of a cheap karaoke box, using the mic input levels to control gain, and tone controls for EQ. Since I was a penniless student then (and manufacturers weren't making nice, dedicated 2.1 speakers for PC's yet), that gave me the room-filling, boomy sound that let me play my violent first-person shooters late at night to my parents' dismay. :D

Since then, my tastes have grown and thankfully my income has, too, so now I can afford more decent, if entry-level equipment - and my appreciation for my music and movies has only gotten better. What I'm saying is, yeah, you can use a karaoke to help boost your bass/mid-bass. I would hesitate to call it a 'sub', though, since I don't know how you'll filter out the higher frequencies - tone controls only go so far - unless maybe you insert a low-pass filter between DVD/amp and the karaoke.

Basta, if it works for you and you're happy with it then by all means, give it a shot (and tell us all about it)! But, if you're like most people in this 'hobby', eventually your tastes will become more 'sophisticated', and in time most probably your equipment will evolve accordingly. :)

Happy listening!
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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #14 on: Oct 14, 2005 at 04:50 PM »
here's the specs, nakuha ko sa website nila



Built-In Normal Audio Mode SRS System Mode
 5.1 Channel Input with Subwoofer Line Output
 Dual Digital Microphone
 Adjustable Echo Effect
 Built-In FM Tuner
 Centre, Surround Input Power: 10-30W
 Output Power: [35W x 2] + [10W x 3]
 Total Output Power: 100W [RMS]

yun speakers nya mukhang ok naman (from the looks) satisfied naman ako sa tunog nya. ang hindi ako kuntento is yun ampli nya, i think may ibubuga pa yun speakers kung mas maganda yun driver nya. mga sir mayroon po kayo marerecommend na driver para dito.  many thanks


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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #15 on: Oct 14, 2005 at 06:07 PM »
ang hindi ako kuntento is yun ampli nya, i think may ibubuga pa yun speakers kung mas maganda yun driver nya. mga sir mayroon po kayo marerecommend na driver para dito.  many thanks
You mean amp?

First you have to figure out if your system is totally 'integrated', or if it's like separates where you can really use a different amp to drive your speakers.

What connection do your speakers support? If it's like most high-quality speakers nowadays it should come with 5-way binding posts that'll let you connect it and your speaker wires using a variety of connections (bare wire, banana plugs, spades, etc). If it's the so-called 'cheap' spring-clip or guillotine connector, well at least you can use bare wire. Yung ibang HTIB's kasi minsan the speakers and the speaker wires are inseparable, and will only connect to their own amp.

Next, what's the nominal impedance of your speakers? They should have an indicator near the connections, or it could be in the product manual. I think a general 'standard' among home theatre speakers are 8 ohms. Some are 4 or 6 ohms. It's important to match the target impedance of your amplifier to the rated impedance of your speakers.

I noticed medyo mahina lang rated power output nung amp mo - 35W to the fronts and 10W to the center & surrounds. I guess RMS yan. Ang tanung ko lang is if you use, say, an amp capable of delivering better power - baka naman ma-over power speakers mo lalong masira!

If your speakers are 8 ohm impedance, and can accept higher wattage then you should be able to get an amp na mga 40W x 5. Thing is - pansin ko din mas mababa power to the center/surrounds  - baka naman yung fronts kayanin yung 40W pero yung center/surrounds sumabog! :)

On the other hand, ako nga 40W x 5 lang din amp ko, and then I seldom go above -15 dB or 10 o'clock, and only when the source material is very soft. With average to loud material -10 dB feeling ko sumasabog na yung sound sa kuwarto ko! What I'm saying is that more power isn't always better, nor called for.

Baka naman medyo nakukulangan ka lang ng 'bayo' - meaning, you're a bassfreak or someone who really likes booming bass. Heheh... I guess the best thing you can do is get a dedicated subwoofer that can be connected to your amp's speaker-level outputs. The cheapest subs aren't at all expensive - around 5k or even less if you can get them 2nd hand.

I can't find their Web site for whatever reason. Maybe you can post the URL here, and hopefully they'll have more specs there so we can better help you out in 'upgrading'. :)
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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #16 on: Oct 17, 2005 at 01:28 PM »
thanks for the usual support sir alistair.  here's the website -  www.myakira.com

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #17 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 12:20 PM »
last night  i was able to look my speakers and found the following specs at the back:

FLOORSTANDERS
Impedance - 4ohm
Sensitivity - 89db
Frequency - 60~20khz
Power - 30-80W

CENTER
Impedance - 6ohm
Sensitivity - 87db
Frequency - 80~20khz
Power - 10-30W

REAR
Impedance - 8ohm
Sensitivity - 87db
Frequency - 80~20khz
Power - 10-30W

mga sir any comment/suggestion. many thanks

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #18 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 01:00 PM »
Wow, iba't iba impedance! :o

Medyo mahirap yata yan. I don't think there are any 5.1 amps that support individual impedance selectors per channel. Ang meron lang yata would be like, 4 ohm or 8 ohm selector pero for all speakers at once.

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #19 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 01:21 PM »
last night  i was able to look my speakers and found the following specs at the back:

FLOORSTANDERS
Impedance - 4ohm
Sensitivity - 89db
Frequency - 60~20khz
Power - 30-80W

CENTER
Impedance - 6ohm
Sensitivity - 87db
Frequency - 80~20khz
Power - 10-30W

REAR
Impedance - 8ohm
Sensitivity - 87db
Frequency - 80~20khz
Power - 10-30W

mga sir any comment/suggestion. many thanks

Ok lang yan. Impedance varies w/ frequency. Nde naman lagi 4 ohms yan. If your amp is not shutting down, you're ok.

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #20 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 01:56 PM »
Yeah, but he can't just, say, buy any 8-ohm amp to drive all his speakers and hope that it doesn't shut down.

NongP, you can search the web or maybe ask the electronics experts here for various 'workarounds' for mismatched amp & speaker impedances.

Some of the things I've seen include adding a 4-ohm resistor in series to your 4-ohm speakers for use with an 8-ohm amp (or a 2-ohm resistor in series with the 6-ohm speaker). This method is cheap, but wastes power and has implications with respect to frequency response and hence, sound quality. At high power the resistor may also burn out.

You can also try an impedance matching transformer (like this device here) which won't waste power. But they're hard to find, heavy, ungainly, and from the site I saw expensive! They also have problems with the lowest (distortion) and highest frequencies (transformer inductance causes phase shifts).

So, unless somebody else can come forward with more creative solutions my advice is to simply stick it out with what you've got until you can save up for an amp and speaker set that's truly independent and with uniform, matched impedances (the 'standard' 8-ohms, for instance).

If you want boomy bass, you can try adding a sub so long as it can be connected to the 4-ohm speaker-level outputs of your amp (I'm assuming your amp doesn't have a separate sub-out or line-level LFE output).

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 02:15 PM »
I don't think he needs to buy an amp "rated" for more difficult loads if he's already getting loud enough volume w/o shutting down.

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« Reply #22 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 03:01 PM »
mga sir thanks for the inputs.  sa totoo lang wala akong alam sa mga specs (ohms, frequency, sensitivity, etc) na nakalagay sa speakers & ampli nun binili ko ito.  like i said, we bought this at glorietta last dec 2003 (BPI Installment Madness) package na sya (ampli & 5 speakers).

with regards dun sa "separate sub-out or line-level LFE output", check ko yun ampli pag uwi ko ng bahay mamaya.

again thanks for the suggestments  :)

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #23 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 12:58 PM »
this morning i was able to look the back of my ampli and here's i found:

may SW in at SW out.  yun "in" nya isa lang yun butas (red color), yun "out" dalawa (red & white color).  mga sir need your expertise dito.  salamat :)

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« Reply #24 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 01:02 PM »
this morning i was able to look the back of my ampli and here's i found:

may SW in at SW out.  yun "in" nya isa lang yun butas (red color), yun "out" dalawa (red & white color).  mga sir need your expertise dito.  salamat :)

Normally, you just get 1 sub-out. Those two may be from the left and right channels. I assume all LFE are routed to the fronts. Are you able to set speaker sizes in you receiver (LARGE, SMALL etc)?

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #25 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 02:56 PM »
Nice simple setup you got there sir... teka dalawa DVD player mo ;D ;D ;D

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #26 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 04:20 PM »
galing bro, simple, nice and neat set up...
oks na oks yan bro.
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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #27 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 04:23 PM »
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Nice simple setup you got there sir... teka dalawa DVD player mo ;D ;D ;D


salamat sir!  medyo namimili na si kebao ko dalawang taon na rin kasi kaya ayun napabili ako ng isa. 

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« Reply #28 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 04:36 PM »
thanks sir Vhong!


Sir Bumblebee dun ko lang sa DVD sini-setup yun speaker (small, med, large) yun ampli ko walang set-up, d yata sya receiver.

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Re: NongP's Simple HT Set-up
« Reply #29 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 04:39 PM »
sir bumblebee tanong ko na rin kung tamang set-up sa speaker, kasi ginawa ko naka large lahat (fronts, center, rear).  thanks