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Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« on: Oct 13, 2005 at 05:04 PM »
Mga Bro! anybody here knows how to know an orig na KonZert 502A amp? yung nabibili sa Raon, im planning to put up a gig para sa New Year's eve, tipong pang hatawan! many sales person sa Raon told me many things about sa KonZert 502A, like 500W x 2 that can drive 15" drivers really loud and many more and he also told me marami ang jafakes nito, so he advice me na watch out for immitation one's, but the thing is how would I know if he's even telling the truth baka naman he just up for the sales. so the bottom line is guys I NEED A BIG HELP before purchasing this KonZert 502A amp. I NEED BIG ADVICE TO KNOW THE ORIG KONZERT 502A! sa market like specs and physics ng orig, like PCB's, lettering and marks ng housing etc. like that, BTW im on a tight budget! hehehe! thanks guys...   

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #1 on: Oct 13, 2005 at 05:37 PM »
Perhaps if you get the unit from more reputable shops like SM Appliance, Ambassador or Anson, I think there's a better chance what you get won't be a fake. 

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #2 on: Oct 14, 2005 at 09:26 PM »
Perhaps if you get the unit from more reputable shops like SM Appliance, Ambassador or Anson, I think there's a better chance what you get won't be a fake. 

Thanks bro, btw are there any indications or markings na ma recognize the orig from the fakes?

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #3 on: Oct 17, 2005 at 10:57 AM »
Am no Konzert user, but if the fakirs do their job right, you may not be able to tell the difference. 

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #4 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 02:27 PM »
bakit naman kaya pipiratahin ang Konzert na amplifier?  ::)
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #5 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 03:42 PM »
kung sino man ang meron nito, baka pwedeng kunan ng pictures at i post dito para malaman natin. ;D
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #6 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 07:33 PM »
bakit naman kaya pipiratahin ang Konzert na amplifier?  ::)

oo nga naman, ang mura na nito eh. baka naman smuggled?  :o

j/k lang po.


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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #7 on: Oct 18, 2005 at 07:35 PM »
Am no Konzert user, but if the fakirs do their job right, you may not be able to tell the difference. 

grabe talaga yan mga fakirs na yan, pati Konzert hindi na pinatawad!  ;D


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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #8 on: Oct 19, 2005 at 07:29 PM »
Just got the Konzert 502A, now notice ko lang 8 ang power transistor niya unlike sa ordinary amp na 4 lang. 500Wx2 pag PMPO pero pag RMS rating nasa 200Wx2 lang. toridial transformer instead of Block transformer responsible sa high current nito kaya some how nasasabi niya na 500 watts siya and na hahandle niya ang 600watts na speaker rating. pero just a precaution! dont use 2 ohms rating speaker like pag nag connect ng parallel (eg. 8ohm + 8ohm = 4ohm) very dangerous dahil over kill ang transistor masusunog to kahit may cooling fan, and the PCB board brown ang color. pero over all rating very good! sa sound reinforcement outdoor, yakang yaka ang 15" driver + horn type tweeter. update ko kayo after I full burn this baby sa new year. BTW no good for dolby prologic or Dolby Digital dahil walang RCA na 5.1 input ito puro stereo lang ang input and hindi patas ang power handling niya plus you have to buy additional Vocoder kung gagamitin sa Videoke dahil hanggang echo lang, walang reverb, delay, intensity etc. but hey for Php3,500! this is damn good deal CIAO!

Stereo = 500W + 500W (PMPO) 200W + 200W (RMS)
Center / Surround = 50W + 50W (PMPO) 10W + 10W (RMS)

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This is very good for Loud Music!!! specially on Reggae music YAH MAN!!!           

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #9 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 10:40 AM »
Han,  can you check the electrical power consumption rating at the back?  See if it squares nicely with the rated RMS output.  At a potential total of 400watts RMS, I expect the electrical power consumption rating to be around 2.2 times or around 900 watts consumption.  That should account for the heat generated in  AB amps and its average 40% efficiency   

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 12:21 PM »
Just got the Konzert 502A, now notice ko lang 8 ang power transistor niya unlike sa ordinary amp na 4 lang. 500Wx2 pag PMPO pero pag RMS rating nasa 200Wx2 lang. toridial transformer instead of Block transformer responsible sa high current nito kaya some how nasasabi niya na 500 watts siya and na hahandle niya ang 600watts na speaker rating. pero just a precaution! dont use 2 ohms rating speaker like pag nag connect ng parallel (eg. 8ohm + 8ohm = 4ohm) very dangerous dahil over kill ang transistor masusunog to kahit may cooling fan, and the PCB board brown ang color. pero over all rating very good! sa sound reinforcement outdoor, yakang yaka ang 15" driver + horn type tweeter. update ko kayo after I full burn this baby sa new year. BTW no good for dolby prologic or Dolby Digital dahil walang RCA na 5.1 input ito puro stereo lang ang input and hindi patas ang power handling niya plus you have to buy additional Vocoder kung gagamitin sa Videoke dahil hanggang echo lang, walang reverb, delay, intensity etc. but hey for Php3,500! this is d**n good deal CIAO!

Stereo = 500W + 500W (PMPO) 200W + 200W (RMS)
Center / Surround = 50W + 50W (PMPO) 10W + 10W (RMS)

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This is very good for Loud Music!!! specially on Reggae music YAH MAN!!!           

Hi mga Bros,

Bago lang ako dito, pero napilitan akong mag-post dito dahil  Actually sinubukan ko na ang Konzert AV-502 sa 15" inch na Targa Speaker, at nagulat ako sa performance, talagang kagulat-gulat kase mas-malakas pa yung ginawa kong gainclone
sayang lang ang pera ko sa Konzert AV-502 !....

 

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #11 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 01:11 PM »
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Just got the Konzert 502A, now notice ko lang 8 ang power transistor niya unlike sa ordinary amp na 4 lang. 500Wx2 pag PMPO pero pag RMS rating nasa 200Wx2 lang. toridial transformer instead of Block transformer responsible sa high current nito kaya some how nasasabi niya na 500 watts siya and na hahandle niya ang 600watts na speaker rating. pero just a precaution! dont use 2 ohms rating speaker like pag nag connect ng parallel (eg. 8ohm + 8ohm = 4ohm) very dangerous dahil over kill ang transistor masusunog to kahit may cooling fan, and the PCB board brown ang color. pero over all rating very good! sa sound reinforcement outdoor, yakang yaka ang 15" driver + horn type tweeter. update ko kayo after I full burn this baby sa new year. BTW no good for dolby prologic or Dolby Digital dahil walang RCA na 5.1 input ito puro stereo lang ang input and hindi patas ang power handling niya plus you have to buy additional Vocoder kung gagamitin sa Videoke dahil hanggang echo lang, walang reverb, delay, intensity etc. but hey for Php3,500! this is d**n good deal CIAO!

Stereo = 500W + 500W (PMPO) 200W + 200W (RMS)
Center / Surround = 50W + 50W (PMPO) 10W + 10W (RMS)

Note:

This is very good for Loud Music!!! specially on Reggae music YAH MAN!!!         


at 3,500 why not? looks like a good deal!

power output however, is not about how many power output transistors are there per se, there are many factors to consider:

1. rails voltage, for example a 300 watt at 8 ohms amp will have to output 49 volts rms or 137volts peak to peak! so your psu rails must be at least +/-75 volts while delivering that kind of output voltage! this means at standby your rails could be +/-85 at least, i say at least because we do not know the regulation of your power transformer!

2. 4 ohm rating does your amp have this rating? is so you will notice it is slightly more than the 8ohm rating for so so amps, for strong amps this is doubled as in the case of KRELLS!

the number of output transistors do determine the SOA(safe operating area) of the output stage, this is nescessary as speaker loads are not resistive, and even if they are, they are only resistive at one frequency only!

finally since the above arguments are valid for pure sine waves, amp makers do get away with lower power consumption rating for a supposedly high power amp.

so you see there are better reasoning than mere subjectives, if we can not quantify what we are saying, then our knowledge of it must be of the meager kind, and they must be taken as just that!

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« Last Edit: Oct 20, 2005 at 01:17 PM by 2ny »
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #13 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 01:47 PM »


1. rails voltage, for example a 300 watt at 8 ohms amp will have to output 49 volts rms or 137volts peak to peak! so your psu rails must be at least +/-75 volts while delivering that kind of output voltage! this means at standby your rails could be +/-85 at least, i say at least because we do not know the regulation of your power transformer!


I'd also check the rail fuse amperage rating.  So you can get the real power. 
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #14 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 01:52 PM »
fuses in amps are there to prevent fires in case of malfunctions!
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #15 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 01:54 PM »
fuses in amps are there to prevent fires in case of malfunctions!

I've modified my post.  The fuse ratings will indicate the maximum current you can expect to draw from the power supply before it blows.  This together with the input voltage can indicate the power abilities of the amp. 
« Last Edit: Oct 20, 2005 at 02:01 PM by av_phile1 »

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #16 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 03:21 PM »
very well said guys, but the big question here is value vs. performance, I appreciate the technical side but still the concern is the end user. To the technical guys (voltage core rating, microfarad ratings, capacitors, resistors, transformer rating, amp and pre-amp, fast blow fuse etc.) I leave that to you and I salute you, for me ill be as layman term as possible ;), i appreciate all the explanation. Again guys it goes down to one thing this KonZert 502A right? hey were talking Hi-fi not the pro audio? If im looking for a real pro audio, I would go buying like QSC, CROWN, Crest etc. but again buget is tight coz pro amp price can go from 20g's up.

Still the final judgement is your EAR! yah man!



         

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #17 on: Oct 20, 2005 at 04:39 PM »
well you may very well pm  1_C_E_M_A_N and ask about his experience with tha amp in detail!
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 02, 2005 at 02:41 PM »
well you may very well pm  1_C_E_M_A_N and ask about his experience with tha amp in detail!

2ny thanks for the mere subjective information about "hi-fi" AKA integrated amps, but its the mere fact that few or some "hi-fi" amps does not put line fuse on their speaker line only breakers preventing and passing only a certain resistive load to prevent over/under load to "+/-0" resistive line or cascading circuits for speakers line (note:fuse is different from breakers).

BTW the rail fuse your talking about are most noticebly applicable in a power supply of a professional power amp due to different sound reinforcement are loaded to a certain dedicated amp, I agree with you about your mathematical computation about the said hardware rating, but there are more factors to be considered such as power capacitor and the power supply that is needed because the current for such application differs and for amplification the power transistors sets in. so the nos. and kind of power transistors are being considered. 

Its not only the tech nos. that counts, but it is where the application is needed.

e.g. for bass, the lower the freq the higher the current needed bec. the electrical signal to move lets say a 4" coil of a bass driver is awfully huge thus making the signal infinite so not only sine waves are considered there are "db" and "s/n" rating.

pro-amps are added with a xover for a certain current needed per application, so the voltage output differs for hi mid low freq, thats why there are processors for dry path signals and wet signals and test are programmed before the actual application is rendered. finally the mere nos youve just mentioned for electronic hardware are applicable only if your assembling an amp, but if your operating one not mentioning the touring class and the fixed sound application, its another story.

not even mentioning the limiter, compressor, expander, DSP's, vocoders, the parametric eq's, elec crossovers, audio mixers etc...     

so please be a player dont be much on a side of a technical buff.

BTW ive been in a pro-audio since 1993 and i formely own a touring gig.

 

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #19 on: Nov 02, 2005 at 07:37 PM »
@han,
i am not sure i understand the point you are making!

the mathematics i made regarding rail voltages for a certain power rating is based on sine wave analysis, another way of looking at audio amps is that they are also dc voltage to ac voltage converters!

they operate on a certein fixed rails and convert this dc rail into ac output in response to an ac signal input!

the output voltage to input voltage ratio is what we call voltage gain, Av, or simply gain.  hi-fi amps and pro-amps are not exactly the same! as both are designed different with operating conditions in mind.

hifi amps can have a gain of 20, whereas the pro amps can have gains as high as 40.

then there is frequency response, or power bandwith! hifi amps need to have at least 20hz to 20khz , while the same is desired for pro amps, as many are capable, pro amps are sough for their power delivery as they are often used in sound reforcement venues!

these things i post here did not come from me! i learned them in the course of my being an audio diy hobbyist!

theory and practice are inextricably inter-twined you can not have one with out the other, at least this makes sense to me.

and it may interest you to know that i am not a subjectivist, but i am open minded enough to distinguish audio facts from fiction! ;D

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 02, 2005 at 09:55 PM »
@han,
i am not sure i understand the point you are making!

the mathematics i made regarding rail voltages for a certain power rating is based on sine wave analysis, another way of looking at audio amps is that they are also dc voltage to ac voltage converters!

they operate on a certein fixed rails and convert this dc rail into ac output in response to an ac signal input!

the output voltage to input voltage ratio is what we call voltage gain, Av, or simply gain.  hi-fi amps and pro-amps are not exactly the same! as both are designed different with operating conditions in mind.

hifi amps can have a gain of 20, whereas the pro amps can have gains as high as 40.

then there is frequency response, or power bandwith! hifi amps need to have at least 20hz to 20khz , while the same is desired for pro amps, as many are capable, pro amps are sough for their power delivery as they are often used in sound reforcement venues!

these things i post here did not come from me! i learned them in the course of my being an audio diy hobbyist!

theory and practice are inextricably inter-twined you can not have one with out the other, at least this makes sense to me.

and it may interest you to know that i am not a subjectivist, but i am open minded enough to distinguish audio facts from fiction! ;D



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its good to know youve learned a lot from your hobby, i too learned from this hobby until i made it a career, but i learned a lot from my father which was a retired sound engineer, he worked for Manila Garden Hotel and Holiday inn. He also participated last "WOODSTOCK 89" as a Audio Director which was held at Amoranto Stadium and Antipolo. so from childhood and then on, ive learned a lot from audio technology. my first Audio gig speakers was the JBL's Voice of Theater which has a bi radial horn and polyplas full range horn driver and my power amps was just a mere harman kardon pro's.

as per expirience, I too has accidentially blown speakers and literally see my power amp in flames! as i load it with a folded horn on a 2ohm/1500 watts load and it happen in public (landmark food court), i was so ashamed i have to use a fire extiguisher.

My point of view is some of us has enough expirience to give advice to our fellow audiophile enthusiast, so they will prevent such mistakes as we did. dont just rely on numbers indicated on your products specification, there just there to give you the right guide. that is why i kept on giving the quote "trust your ears!" some speakers would give specification as 15hz to 30khz rating. low freq below 20hz in the right tune will literally move things, you will no longer hear it, but feel it.  thus also giving unwanted noise and beyond 20khz will put you into ultra sonic waves which is being used  destroy to drive away pests and insects hehehe!, see my point? anyways human hearing perception is only 20hz-20khz.

so your point about DC to AC conversion of power is not the only thing, you should also note amplification and electronic impulses, thats is why some amps poses direct link (e.g. tube amps), that means the sinewave are going direct to the amlplification area to again convert it into higher voltage gain such as you said. so pure signal are being sent, no coloration or proccessing just pure amplification. but in the case of digital signal such as fiber optics etc. some amps will convert analog to digital thus giving almost 100% signal, i agree with you about the difference between hi-fi and pro-audio they both depend on the end user.      

good thing for now i just made audio as a hobby again, because of this Home Theater era, i recently owned a Yamaha RXV-995, Pioneer 525 dvd player and paired it with BOSE AM5 and BOSE VCS-30 and a cheapo Lexus Digital Mic Mixer for videoke parties. i cant say anything much on the Yamaha they have great decoders and DSP's and Pioneer DVD read almost any disc format, but BOSE! if you have alternative, better listen to another sets of speakers. unfortunately i sold this audio stuff to my friend for only 55 thou due to financial needs. now im back to cheap amps such as Konzert just for the fun side of it, pang harabas kung baga. BOSE are great for vocals but they lack frequencies when you use it on home theater.        

anyways setting aside some other issues your opinion and your mathematical computation are great, you have the abilities to analyze such as these, thus putting you at the edge of others. overall you have a great opinion, keep on giving good advices, coz for us audiophile learning from this hobby is a never ending expirience as technology upgrades,  i also learned from you, sure on i will read more of your reviews...

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #21 on: Nov 04, 2005 at 01:29 PM »
ganda yun naka torroid pa.... tapos 3,500.00 - pwedeng pwede.

I've seen some of them schematics, nothing fancy, in fact the whole circuit reminds me of some old brand named amp. they also use zener diodes in the input stage in lieu of ccs which could increase distortions as zeners are known to be quite noisy. but this 502A I must see....  :)

sorry if you caught me mumbbling, those amps are great... and I got my eye on the torroids! I should be hunting for those defective units and hope the tranny still works!

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 04, 2005 at 06:09 PM »
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hope the tranny still works!

jojo,
mahirap sirain yung torroid traffo, so if you get one deffective unit, 99% chance will have it good! ;D
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #23 on: Nov 04, 2005 at 09:16 PM »
jojo,
mahirap sirain yung torroid traffo, so if you get one deffective unit, 99% chance will have it good! ;D

hala! kanina nakakita ako 502A, approx mga 5-6 inches (hula lang ha) yun size ng torroids!!! malaki sya ha. ang katumbas daw nun konzert 502A sa sakura is 5023 (tama ba mga sakura owners?). Both 502A and 5023 have similar amp circuit and it uses 2SC5198/2SA1941 pairs. Sa sobrang ewan ko ba, hindi ko natignan yun brand ng transistors at kung ilan per channel.  ;D ;D ;D

hindi ko lang nagustuhan yun tunog dun sa nagtesting kanina, grabe palakasan eh, basag na sige pa rin.  >:( pero may potential naman basta maiayos lang settings at speakers.

baka meron may-ari dyan ng defective na konzert 502A o sakura 5023 na mas mahal pa ipa-repair eh benta nyo na lang sa akin.  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #24 on: Nov 04, 2005 at 11:02 PM »
hala! kanina nakakita ako 502A, approx mga 5-6 inches (hula lang ha) yun size ng torroids!!! malaki sya ha. ang katumbas daw nun konzert 502A sa sakura is 5023 (tama ba mga sakura owners?). Both 502A and 5023 have similar amp circuit and it uses 2SC5198/2SA1941 pairs. Sa sobrang ewan ko ba, hindi ko natignan yun brand ng transistors at kung ilan per channel.  ;D ;D ;D

hindi ko lang nagustuhan yun tunog dun sa nagtesting kanina, grabe palakasan eh, basag na sige pa rin.  >:( pero may potential naman basta maiayos lang settings at speakers.

baka meron may-ari dyan ng defective na konzert 502A o sakura 5023 na mas mahal pa ipa-repair eh benta nyo na lang sa akin.  ;D ;D ;D



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Baka may mga interested dyan, im selling my Eivy sound reinforcement loudspeakers model-EV10, Bi-radial horn and 10" PA speaker in roto mould body, 150W RMS 300WPeak, Php5,000.00/Pair kabibili ko lang sa RAON Php. 6,500.00 with box pa, i matched it with my Konzert 502A sabay ko binili just last Oct 05. reason for selling mag uupgrade lang ako into a higher speaker load mga 15" na 500W.

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #25 on: Nov 05, 2005 at 01:50 AM »
Mga Bro! anybody here knows how to know an orig na KonZert 502A amp? yung nabibili sa Raon, im planning to put up a gig para sa New Year's eve, tipong pang hatawan! many sales person sa Raon told me many things about sa KonZert 502A, like 500W x 2 that can drive 15" drivers really loud and many more and he also told me marami ang jafakes nito, so he advice me na watch out for immitation one's, but the thing is how would I know if he's even telling the truth baka naman he just up for the sales. so the bottom line is guys I NEED A BIG HELP before purchasing this KonZert 502A amp. I NEED BIG ADVICE TO KNOW THE ORIG KONZERT 502A! sa market like specs and physics ng orig, like PCB's, lettering and marks ng housing etc. like that, BTW im on a tight budget! hehehe! thanks guys...   

While it is very possible that there are imitation KonZert 502A amps, I feel it's more probable that the sales person just wants you buy from him/her.

Opinion lang po. ;D

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #26 on: Nov 05, 2005 at 01:30 PM »
if anyone with this amp can take photos and post it here, then we can have a stab at judging its quality!
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #27 on: Nov 05, 2005 at 02:15 PM »
I saw one yesterday, convincing naman. May torroid tranny, large heatsink, etc. I wasn't able to try it though.

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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #28 on: Nov 05, 2005 at 09:10 PM »
a 1000va torroid costs 6,000 plus at rselectronics....this amp is really cheap..
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Re: Paano ba malalaman ang orig na KonZert 502A
« Reply #29 on: Nov 05, 2005 at 11:50 PM »
a 1000va torroid costs 6,000 plus at rselectronics....this amp is really cheap..

tumpak! pagkamahal-mahal talaga ng torroid kaya nga ako nagtataka. pero mas maganda kung makikita mo para ikaw na mismo magsabi kung pwede yun "economy of scale". baka kasi maliit yun kaysa dun sa nabibili sa rs.

30V-0-30V @2.5amperes yun sa sakura, yun sa konzert ipapasilip ko pa lang.