Topic: Turntable Set-up and Vinyls

[C.O.2]

  Hi bros. i just completed my TT set up.  There is one thing i noticed though - sumasayad yong cartridge ko with the record.  Is this normal? Of if not kindly advice me on what to do.... please...  anticipating to thank you everybody.  Happy Christmas! 

[arnoldc]

kung sumasayad yung body ng cartridge mo ibig sabihin sobra bigat.

there are a couple of things you need to setup in a turntable, such as:
- tracking force
- anti-skate
- azimuth
- overhang

anong turntable ba yan? anong arm? anong cartridge?

[shuttertrigger]

Hi bros. i just completed my TT set up.  There is one thing i noticed though - sumasayad yong cartridge ko with the record.  Is this normal? Of if not kindly advice me on what to do.... please...  anticipating to thank you everybody.  Happy Christmas! 

bro, adjust mo yung counterweight sa likod nung tonearm..

hope this helps.. thanks 

[C.O.2]

kung sumasayad yung body ng cartridge mo ibig sabihin sobra bigat.

there are a couple of things you need to setup in a turntable, such as:
- tracking force
- anti-skate
- azimuth
- overhang

anong turntable ba yan? anong arm? anong cartridge?

Sir ito po setup ko:

TT - Old Sansui (model no. erased)
Tone arm - Original P-mount
Cartridge - Shure m92E

[C.O.2]

bro, adjust mo yung counterweight sa likod nung tonearm..

hope this helps.. thanks 

Sir cire2005,

Thank you very much.  Try ko mamaya pag-uwi... ang sarap talaga makinig ng vinyl!

[arnoldc]

you will need  tracking for gauge to ensure proper tracking weight as failure to do so will result in eventual damage to both the stylus, cantilever, and the vinyl itself.

the recommended tracking force for your cartridge is only 1.25grams.

[shuttertrigger]

Sir cire2005,

Thank you very much.  Try ko mamaya pag-uwi... ang sarap talaga makinig ng vinyl!

ur welcome sir...yup! masarap talaga makinig ng vinyl.. esp those records na hindi mo mahanap sa CD format..

[C.O.2]

you will need  tracking for gauge to ensure proper tracking weight as failure to do so will result in eventual damage to both the stylus, cantilever, and the vinyl itself.

the recommended tracking force for your cartridge is only 1.25grams.

Thanks sir arnoldc. Shure M92E recommends optimum tracking force of 1.25 grams.  How can i determine that this specification is achieved.  Are there any gadget able to measure such?  Thanks again.

[arnoldc]

you need a tracking force gauge like the Shure SFG or Clearaudio (cheap one, not the digital) or something equivalent.

[marty_e]

Is your counterweight labeled with numbers similar to Technics TTables? You can use that as a rough guide.

[C.O.2]

you need a tracking force gauge like the Shure SFG or Clearaudio (cheap one, not the digital) or something equivalent.

Sir arnoldc where can i possibly purchase one?  I am here in makati.  Thanks

Is your counterweight labeled with numbers similar to Technics TTables? You can use that as a rough guide.

Yes sir the counterweight has numbers similar to Technics TTalbes?  Ikutin ko lang ba ng ikutin paatras to reduce tone arm balance?

[shuttertrigger]

Yes sir the counterweight has numbers similar to Technics TTalbes?  Ikutin ko lang ba ng ikutin paatras to reduce tone arm balance?

yup, ikutin mo lang hanggang makuha mo yung level na hindi na nakasadsad yung cart don sa record..

[marty_e]

Actually, don't just turn the counterweight to the number. Try to balance the stylus end of the tonearm with the counterweight. If you notice, the numbers are probably separate from the counterweight itself. Once the arm neither tips forward nor back, set the numbers to the "0" position without moving the counterweight. Then slowly move both the number and counterweight together to the desired VTF.

[C.O.2]

  Thanks bros.  Saan kaya pwedeng bumili ng budget vinyl collections.  I have tried one at buy and sell pero very common yong mga nakuha ko masyadong limited yong genres nila pero marami yong for sale nila in terms of numbers.  Located sila somewhere in blumentritt.

[shuttertrigger]

Thanks bros.  Saan kaya pwedeng bumili ng budget vinyl collections.  I have tried one at buy and sell pero very common yong mga nakuha ko masyadong limited yong genres nila pero marami yong for sale nila in terms of numbers.  Located sila somewhere in blumentritt.

san banda bro sa blumentritt? and how much? thanks 

[arnoldc]

C.O.2 - san ka sa makati? hiramin mo yung akin. o kaya punta ka kay rene rivo, baka meron pang for sale.

may vinyl sale sa makati this sunday... hundreds of LPs to choose from.

For details: - http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8550&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

VENUE: Crown Tower condominium. 107 hv de la costa st., salcedo village. makati (free street parking is allowed in weekends)

TIME: december 11 (sunday) . 10am to 4pm

Here's the scheme:

Come early and make sure you go to the VINYL CHARITY WARD FIRST! There are quite a few treasures there and they will sell at a fraction of the regular price.

Mechanics:

A. "REGULAR BIN"

10am to 11am: p100 per record. grab them before someone else does! early bird gets the better worms 

11am to 12 noon: p75 per record. hundreds to choose from.

noon to 2pm: p50/record. discounted sale. boy, what a bargain!

2pm down: latak sale - p40, p30, p20/record

B. "SELECT BIN".
Records will be priced fairly, so we can also get more money for charity.

C. "COLLECTOR'S BIN". Special LPs will be for bidding only. Highest bidder takes home the LP by 3PM.


BE A GENEROUS BUYER/GIVER. ALL PROCEEDS WILL GO TO CHARITY

[C.O.2]

No. 21A Abao Street, Quezon City.  Blocks away from the gate of North Cemetery taking a jeep from blumentritt to frisco.  Price ranges from 30-50 pesos only.  Some LPs which I got from them are the following:

Earl Klugh - Breezin
Dire Straits
Hall and Oates
Donna Summer
Manhattan Transfer
Seals and Crofts
Ferranti and Thiecter
Nocturne
James Last
... and some latin instrumentals

If your are interested you can call val or his father (a collector) at 413-5183

[C.O.2]

Sir arnoldc thank you for your great kindness.  Pero sorry i cannot for ethical reasons.  Anyway, I fail to mention na i am only working in Makati not a resident.  But maybe i can attend your sale if i have the luxury of time.  Thanks a lot....

[av_phile1]

It would be a good idea to make sure the turntable is perfectly level to get the optimum vertical tracking force.  If the turntable is not level, you would have lateral forces adversely affecting the tracking angle and force.  Try borrowing a "level" from a carpenter to see that the turntable is correctly level on all axes parallel to the turntable plane.  If your TT has those telescopic feet, you can adjust them for correct levelness.  Do this before adjusting the tracking force from the counterbalance. 

[shuttertrigger]

question again mga sir, may iba iba bang setting sa counterweight, stylus kung iba iba ang bigat ng LP? san makikita sa LP kung gaano sya kabigat? salamat po

[Superman]

i believe the counterweight "weight" is dependent on the cartridge...just try to "google" the recommended weight for your cart...as for me, counterweight won't matter even if LP is 180g or 200g or ordinary, thanks!

[shuttertrigger]

i believe the counterweight "weight" is dependent on the cartridge...just try to "google" the recommended weight for your cart...as for me, counterweight won't matter even if LP is 180g or 200g or ordinary, thanks!

thanks sir superman.. will research na lang...

[av_phile1]

question again mga sir, may iba iba bang setting sa counterweight, stylus kung iba iba ang bigat ng LP? san makikita sa LP kung gaano sya kabigat? salamat po

The weight of the LP has nothing to do with tracking force. 

BUT....

You may have to increase the tracking force on certain LPs with less than ideal conditions.  Meaning, if it's warped, so that the stylus jumps out of the groove more often.  Or if it's off-center, so that the cartridge wiggles.   If you happen to use LPs produced in the mid 70s, you may come across some very lightwight or thin LPs produced to save on the material which was getting expensive as vinyl is petroleum-based.    These lightweight LPs have a tendency to warp easily. 

[shuttertrigger]

The weight of the LP has nothing to do with tracking force. 

BUT....

You may have to increase the tracking force on certain LPs with less than ideal conditions.  Meaning, if it's warped, so that the stylus jumps out of the groove more often.  Or if it's off-center, so that the cartridge wiggles.   If you happen to use LPs produced in the mid 70s, you may come across some very lightwight or thin LPs produced to save on the material which was getting expensive as vinyl is petroleum-based.    These lightweight LPs have a tendency to warp easily. 

thanks sir av_phile! marami na akong info na nakukuha sa inyo.. mabuhay po kayo and merry christmas po! 

sir iceman, thanks for the PM! i really appreciate it! 

[C.O.2]

  Problem fixed thanks.  I really enjoyed the sweet sound of the vinyls.  All frequencies are clear even at low settings.  Anyway, does different brands of carts differs in sonic output quality of vinyls.  What brands do you recommend for optimum performance?  Thanks.

[av_phile1]

Anyway, does different brands of carts differs in sonic output quality of vinyls.  What brands do you recommend for optimum performance?  Thanks.

Yes, very much so.     But optimizing performance is often limited to the tonearm's effective mass and geometry. Matching the right cartridge to the tonearm is critical.  The best cartridge may not be a good match to your tonearm.

Also, be careful to use only cartridges accepted by your preamp.  There are essentially 2 types of cartridges, MM (Moving Magnet) and MC (Moving Coil) .  Some phono preamps allow the choice.  Just check to ensure you got the right setting.

[shuttertrigger]

mga sirs, tanong ulit, paano po ba ang tamang paglinis ng plaka? sinubukan ko ng i-shampoo pero medyo marami pa rin akong tick at pop na naririnig? o baka ganon na talaga yung plaka?  may panlinis po ba na nabibili para sa plaka? thanks again...

[kid]

pareng cire,

JOY dishwashing at sponge lang ang kailangan mo diyan. pwede ka rin gumamit ng brush para matanggal yung dumi sa lp.

[marty_e]

Paki search sa google "DIY Record Cleaning Fluid". Marami doon pero usually Pure distilled water with a Small amount of Joy.

Brush? I would caution using a "brush" on the LP unless we're talking about a specified LP cleaning brush - not just any kind...

[shuttertrigger]

pareng cire,

JOY dishwashing at sponge lang ang kailangan mo diyan. pwede ka rin gumamit ng brush para matanggal yung dumi sa lp.

thanks bro punk kid! sabi kasi nung iba masyadong matapang daw pag JOY kaya ginagamit ko Palmolive "balik bounce" eh.. hehehhee...thanks bro for the tip...

sir marty_e, thanks will research na lang din..